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Post by russm on Dec 11, 2021 9:59:36 GMT -5
There is a fundamental problem with all live action remakes of cartoons...
You cannot change the laws of physics
Much of what happens in terms of the plot, comedy, physical actions etc. is heavily dependent on 'cartoon physics'. We can easily suspend belief when watching a cartoon, it's harder in live-action especially if they try to recreate what happened in the cartoons. This means that the writing and stories will have to be different, the masks will be better though. So Supernatural/X-Files/whatever style show would work but the writers will need to get into the right mindset for working in 'the real world'.
As for Scooby being a real dog, I though the whole point of Scooby was to be as un-Great Dane like as possible (aside from his size), and having a real dog risks the show looking more like one of those Disney 'talking animal' films unless they head down the Lassie route of having a real animal that doesn't speak but somehow can communicate entire paragraphs of text with a single bark. A CGI Scooby solves that and as technoloby (plus budget) should fix some of the issues that the Scooby Doo live action film had with Scooby.
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Post by russm on Nov 23, 2021 4:57:39 GMT -5
Imagine disliking Boo Brothers and Reluctant Werewolf, when we have 20 movies from 2012 onwards ranging from pretty awful to total garbage. But it's a free world i guess. Yeah, it's almost like people have different opinions on the franchise which are just as valid as yours.
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Post by russm on Nov 9, 2021 16:10:22 GMT -5
Hmmmm, not sure I could say an absolute top episode but for me A Terrifying Round with a Menacing Metallic Clown is pretty much near the top for me.
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Post by russm on Nov 8, 2021 15:15:04 GMT -5
The cynic inside me says somewhere between meh and OK. THe past few years have been a very mixed bag. Now we can hope that they've learned from their 'let's mess up Velma's character' debacle with 13 Ghosts and whatever other recent one it was where they turned her into a just plain nasty cynic, so only time will tell.
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Post by russm on Nov 1, 2021 8:16:40 GMT -5
Yesterday and today is all about the amount of Scooby-Doo costumes with Velma even trending worldwide for how many times it was portrayed, especially in a sapphic or overly sexualized way! Welcome to the Internet :-)
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Post by russm on Oct 31, 2021 6:22:28 GMT -5
With regard for the sales figures, well the saying goes, citation needed. Unfortunately scoobyfan27 didn't provide any evidence or link to original source material to support that claim. The flip side is that if the ones with the gang in are selling as expected, then there's no problem, we can assume as they keep producing them that they're selling enough to make it worth while doing them.
That being said would it be too much of a surprise if the Courage movie did really well, or Scoobynatural? I can't comment on Guess Who as there's something about that show that doesn't gel with me, it's like all the ingredients are there but something isn't cooked right. The point of crossovers is to get other people in, and hope that some of them stay.
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Oct 25, 2021 10:03:00 GMT -5
Post by russm on Oct 25, 2021 10:03:00 GMT -5
True. I need to check the rating on my headphones. I know 14 kHz all too well. I have minor tinnitus that rings right at that frequency. If you are looking for an upgrade you may wish to consider the Sennheiser HE 1 Reference Orpheus Headphone System? A mere trifle at just under $75,000.
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Oct 25, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -5
Post by russm on Oct 25, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -5
Your speakers/headphones have to be quite good to hit the 20Hz range, most struggle or you've got to really crank up the volume to get them to perform. Depending on what you listened with, your ears might be better than you think.
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Oct 25, 2021 3:43:00 GMT -5
Post by russm on Oct 25, 2021 3:43:00 GMT -5
Real time travel would be bad (aside from physics saying no). Even going back a couple of hundred years would be nigh on impossible, say to Shakespeare's time to catch a play. You and he could just about have a conversation, but neither of you could speak each other's language. For an idea of just how difficult it would be to fit in to times past I recommend Ruth Goodman's How to Behave Badly in Renaissance Britain for an idea of what a cultural minefield you would be stepping into, and that's only a couple of hundered years ago. The further back you go the harder it would be, and going back to medieval times you'd have to find a way to explain why the gang can now all speak Latin and Middle English (with the correct pronunciations of course), have all the correct manners...
In other words it would be a complete killer to the show, plus be incredably difficult for the show writers to research. And it would annoy a lot of the audience as all their pop-culture conceptions about those times would be ruined.
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Oct 25, 2021 3:22:48 GMT -5
Post by russm on Oct 25, 2021 3:22:48 GMT -5
The computer and the tablet, they need a series all by themselves. That was a good one, used to love Courage when it was on. The ending does come across as and idea thta didn't wuite work, but that idea was better than many other ones they've turned into films. Probably the best crossover we'll get until someone reads my mind and does the Red Sonja meets Scooby Doo crossover of my dreams. Okay, logically it had to have been Win98 updated to WinXP for it to interface correctly, and Velma's chart explaining sound bothered me as we can hear down to 50 Hertz, not Kilohertz. I did like how they explained why Nowhere gets haunted so often. We should be thankful that they've got the correct units.
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Post by russm on Oct 20, 2021 7:22:05 GMT -5
Not sure why you specifically mentioned SD:MI or Scooby Apocalypse, so just moving past that. And exactly. Velma isn't being marketed as a kids show. Which means it probably won't appear on the "Kids" specific account on HBO Max. It will probably have warnings on the page for the show when it gets released, like most shows do. So if after all that, a parent lets their kid watch it, that's on the parent. Because I think you would have had to ignore the announcement, marketing and discussion of the show completely to miss that it's an adult show. And anyway, most parents will have the Kids use the kid specific filtered account on HBO Max, and Velma won't be available on those. So it shouldn't be an issue. I'm not really sure what that has to do with what I said? Well yes, of course. It's difficult for new characters to catch on. Again, I don't really see what any of this has to do with what I said? I was specifically talking aboout why it could be more impactful to have established characters come out, not representation in media as a whole, and how hard it can be to get new charcters to make an impact. I agree with you in that I hope there are people behind the scenes of the show that are actually queer (or autistic in Shaggy's case) that can provide the necessary insight into what these characters are going through. Part of the comments were addressed to others you quoted within your thread, but as I've just had surgery and am on moderate-strength pain medication at the moment I just wasn't up to faffing around with the quoting system here. Why did I mention those, well it was just an example of other parts of the Scooby franchise that are not specifically kid friendly, i.e. in of itself it is not a new thing. Now I don't have HBO, not even sure if it's available on my side of the pond but you can put money on the fact that some parents will just plonk their offspring in front of Velma as they remember Scooby Doo from when they wre a kid and it was alright then so... You cannot legislate for stupidity and inattention, nor from the resulting 'woke culture war' s****torm that may well follow. Remember the US is a county that has regular spasams of anger of what Starbucks do or do not do to their cups at Christmas, and that's just on a good day. We can of course agree to disagree, I will echo what Dyland said, this reads more like bad FanFiction at the moment (and I've written more than my fair share of that...). But if I'm wrong, fantastic.
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Post by russm on Oct 19, 2021 8:21:37 GMT -5
Hi there. Welcome back.
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Post by russm on Oct 19, 2021 7:40:01 GMT -5
Same, to be honest. When I was younger, I wanted to see a Scooby-Doo for older viewers, but now that I'm older, I feel that kids deserve to have a wholesome kids show free of serial killers (if the serial killer thing is true.) I'd rather see an intelligent Scooby show for kids than this. I also can't help but feel that they missed an opportunity to make Shaggy of Lebanese descent in honor of Casey Kasem. I mean, there are plenty of wholesome kid shows out there, including past iterations of Scooby-Doo? I think it's great that they're actually working on an adult version of the characters, and it's been made pretty clear that this version isn't for kids. That doesn't mean they'll stop making Scooby content for kids in general. I don't mind cartoons including LGBT characters but I would prefer if it was left out of already existing characters and only brought onto new characters. It would be one thing if this was a knock off parody and the characters had different names and designs, but that here isn't the case. I can only speak for myself, but it's way more impactful to have it be well-established and beloved characters over brand new ones. Having characters I already know, love, and maybe sense a queerness from anyway - like Velma for example - is a much bigger deal than "Oh hey, look this brand new character you've never seen before is (insert sexuality/gender here)!" It's more meaningful, and gives more hope that the characters will be treated and written well, and given storylines that actually work - something new, queer characters rarely actually have. I'm assuming you're straight so I understand why you don't really get what this could mean for LGBTQ+ teens and young adults who are still struggling with their sexuality and identity and love these characters, but it could have a huge impact on them. Has anyone seen any recent confirmation that this is still for HBO Max? CinemaBlend talked about the show as an HBO Max show in August: www.cinemablend.com/television/2571969/hbo-maxs-velma-6-quick-things-we-know-about-mindy-kalings-scooby-do-spinoff-showAnd a few days ago, Series Date speculated on it's premiere: seriesdate.com/velma-hbo-max-premiere/There's a lot of good stuff in this to unpick. Firstly I wouldn't have called SD:MI a wholesome kids show, the relationships between the gang were very 'off' for that. I'd also add Scooby Apocalypse to the 'not wholesome kids stuff' category but for different reasons. The thing being 'Velma' isn't being marketed as a kids' show. Now the risk is that because it comes from a kids show people may not pick up the warnings/hints/indications that it is not a kids' show and come to it with a whole different set of expectations, or let their kids watch it then wonder what they hell is going on when all the questions start coming. If the latter happens then we'll be off to yet another round of the culture wars. Secondly, the issue of new vs old characters and LGBTQ+ representation. This is a tough nut to crack, The Council of Geeks (https://www.youtube.com/c/CouncilofGeeks) my go-to YouTube channel for insight into LGBTQ+ representation (and other geek stuff) covered just how hard it is to get any new character established now, let alone a LGBTQ+ one. You only have to look at the the outputs of DC and Marvel (DC especially) to see the same characters over and over again, I mean how many versions of Batman does the world need already? The thing to be concerned about is the outcome, not the motives behind why it is done (When LGBTQ+ Representation Happens for "The Wrong Reasons" youtu.be/pRGEv1U70NI). My real concern is that given how hit-or-miss things have been when they make changes to the characters then I have to be wary about how they handle this. So I would hope they have trans writers, or at least character/script consultants on board so that the character is written with insight, compassion and care. I would argue that some of the off character moments in the recent SD shows & movies is because of a lack of care for the characters they are using. The same is true if they have Shaggy on the Autistic spectrum. Now I used to be a mod on a large forum where one of the senior mods had Asperger's, he had a very good insight into the implications of his condition on social interations and was able to navigate being a very active mod in a very busy forum. We had another mod who was also an 'Aspie' but was much younger so hadn't yet built up the same skill set and had a lot more struggles in their modding. The issue being you have to explicitly learn and remember all the social rules that people who do not have the consition just pick up and run on autopilot (a gross oversimplification, see An Anthropologist on Mars by Oliver Sacks which has a copule of chapters on people with Aspergers/Autism and how they interact with those who do not have those conditions). Again, care needs to be taken, the desire to include is noble, we travel further when we travel together. But they need to get those who have those conditions, have walked that path, to provide input, to write, those characters lest it be a mess.
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Post by russm on Oct 18, 2021 7:59:58 GMT -5
Okay, I *just* read those character descriptions cause I completely missed them before and I have to say I'm really intrigued by them? I'm always interested in new or alternate takes on my favorite characters, and it seems like they're gonna be really interesting ones here. My biggest takeaways are - Shaggy: Love that he's on the spectrum for autism. I subscribe to the headcanon that Fred is in SD:MI and it'll be great to have what will hopefully be good representation. And I'm perfectly okay with the stoner thing? It does make sense for an "adult, real teenager take" on Shaggy's character, cause he would totally smoke weed if he was a real person. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just weed. - Daphne: I"m...annoyed at whoever wrote this and said "Daphne was just a pretty girl who wore purple" cause even in Where Are You? that's not the case. I am curious about how they will handle her abandonment issues, especially since they seem to be the driving force behind her being so desparate for popularity and "friendship", and I wonder who her real parents might be. Gay moms is pretty cool, and the"complicated feelings" for Velma...possible Daphne/Velma in the show? Here for it. - Fred: Again, whoever wrote the description seemed to have focused on the worst takeaway of Fred's character from previous iterations. But the point seems to be to take that aspect and add some depth to him which...okay. The most exciting aspect of his character to me is that - from the description - he's trans, female to male. Which would explain both his issues with his dad if he's unsupportive, and his motivations to be the worst kind of guy at school because toxic masculinity combined with fear over people finding out he wasn't born male. They explored the former in SD:MI with his whole "can't have feelings if I'm a real man" bull, but obviously couldn't go all the way there and really dissect it, so it'll be interesting to see what they do here. And a Velma/Daphne/Fred love triangle will certainly be interesting to see. Fingers crossed for poly thruple (or quadruple if Shaggy's interested) by the end lmao. All in all, it seems that the overarching plot of the show will be about how the gang comes together and become friends so that'll be exciting to see in a well-developed way. They tried with Mystery Begins but it always feels a little rushed to me when I watch it. For anyone who is not here for all the messy, complicated and darker characterizations of thw show then it's not for you. And that's fine. We already know it's not the follow up to Guess Who? so we can be sure there will be a normal Scooby show to follow that one, and the DTVs don't seem to be shaking things up much so you'll probably still have "normal" Scooby content to enjoy. If you don't like it, that's completely understandable. But there does seem to be slight...hyperbole when it comes to how much this show will affect Scooby as a whole. It's not gonna ruin what came before, it won't ruin what will come after and you can always ignore it's existance if you want to. They don't need to stop making new Scooby content just because you don't like what they're making. (Edited for spelling mistakes) Finally Im not the only one hyped for the show and ur xcited about the character description. Shaggy is also who I am excited the most about. Self-medicating and being on the spectrum like damn, I really hope the portrayal and representation is on point. But also Daphne tbh, despite of that first line on her not being memorable, she seems to be a badass which Im here for. And omg I did not think about trans Fred and it makes so much sense from the description. I really hope so I'm about as unhyped for this as you are hyped :-)
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Post by russm on Oct 17, 2021 9:47:00 GMT -5
I can get baffled by what to have for dinner in the evening so this level of forward planning is impressinve.
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