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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 14:42:07 GMT -5
The ones around the early 2000s are nice, but I think the 2010 ones beat them in many regards. In Phantosaur you have drama, mystery, and a cool-ass dinosaur. Not to mention there's more suspects than you can put on a notepad. Camp Scare is simply amazing and I enjoy 90% of that movie even at full criticism levels. Again, lots of suspects. Best flick to come out of 2000s was Zombie Island which is totally up there but only because it succeeds in doing its own thing. Alien Invaders and Witch's Ghost tried that but missed the mark imo. Big Top and Abracadabra-Doo can make you entertained without deviating from all the cliches, and that takes skill. If you post here, you're for sure picking from 2000-2010 bucket.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 3:48:12 GMT -5
GaC tried something new but in the end it didn't work out. Because the story was so unlike anything Scooby Doo it should have been it's own thing honestly. Most notably bad features of it are the intro and Shaggy's voice. Scott Menville is a cool guy, he played pretty well in Mission Hill and Teen Titans but just isn't quite Shaggy. The introduction on the other hand is bad due to the lack of activity. It ends up just looking like a screen saver; and the song isn't great either.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 2:19:27 GMT -5
Hopefully it ends quickly so we can get the new series. Be Cool is pretty childish; and while the last thing we need is an adult series, Pup Named was more mature than this. I can't take a show seriously if I'm supposed to be laughing every minute, and I can't laugh every minute if most of the jokes aren't funny.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 0:20:00 GMT -5
More recent appearances of Scrappy have been pretty ok actually. In 2002, he was voiced by Scott Innes which odly enough I love. Sure, all his scenes sucked hard and all his lines were awful and the CGI was unholy, but the way Innes did the voice, felt convincing. His appearance in Scooby Apocalypse is cool too. Recent iterations of Scrappy make him villainous and I think that's the right way to go about this, seeing as how many people hate the character. While Scrappy is a jerk, he has a soft side which you see when he takes Cliffy into the pack. I think if we give it a few more years Scrappy could make a come back, in the form of an anti-hero. Not necessarily a villain but not a protagonist either, kinda like he is in Apocalypse.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 0:03:44 GMT -5
Scrappy is a good idea on paper, but the way he's executed is just bad. Scrappy is supposed to be the opposite of Scooby; instead of being big and scared he's small and tough. This is pretty true to canines in real life, most of the time smaller dogs will have intimidating barks to make up for their size. To understand Scrappy, you have to understand how Scooby came into existence. When the idea of a dog in the gang was thought up, the name Ruby and Spears had lots of things in mind. There was a bit of debate on what TooMuch (his name at the time) would even be, namely the dog's personality. TooMuch would either be a large and cowardly or tiny and feisty. When the writers decided on a big cowardly great dane the later was scrapped (possibly the origin of Scrappy's name?). Now obviously making the dog entirely cowardly wouldn't work if he were to solve mysteries but at the time TooMuch wasn't really a main character, so this was probobly edited later so that the dog could stand up for him and his friends. This heroic side of Scooby is what Scrappy sees most fondly. Adding an extra dog was something already done by The Scooby-Doo Show and if you'll notice Scooby-Dum's roles are similar in the scenes where they contribute; they're both really confident. Scrappy aspires to be a hero like his uncle, so any chance he gets he goes after whatever monster the gang is after. Dum wants to be a detective and does find clues important to the mystery, despite his antics. At first, Scrappy was added in as a plan to save Scooby-Doo from getting canceled; and for a while it worked well but the rest is history. Scrappy works but only in small doses. So, when the writers started structuring episodes around him and taking out the gang that was what made him so terrible. An attempt was made to make Scrappy less annoying but in the end it was just too late.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Sept 30, 2017 22:48:03 GMT -5
Night of 100 Frights has a pretty cool soundtrack. This is one of the aspects that stays very true to the direction of the game, which is to tribute WAY. Lots of themes take tunes and jingles from the show and incorporate it into the music. For instance, Shock on The Dock part 1 takes a slowed version of the New Movies theme, but after-awhile does it's own thing. It's pretty brilliant honestly. Just in case you don't quite here it I put this together soundcloud.com/right_in_the_tockles/shock-on-the-new-movies
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Post by rightinthetockles on Sept 30, 2017 22:06:31 GMT -5
As far as overrated goes I'd have to go with What's New. The show in itself was ok, but what made What's New Scooby Doo is how historic it was for Scooby-Doo. After the Scrappy-phase became infamous, it was a question if Scooby-Doo could recover. Everyone considered WAY to be the best, and if there's a definitive high point it means there's lots of low points. The way it was done, was probobly the best way to introduce a new generation to something that happened forty years ago. The best thing to come out of WN was the movies after/during it. Cyber Chase, Aloha, and Pirates Ahoy are some of the best Scooby movies, and even ones that weren't good during this time still did well. I have my problems with Witch's Ghost and Alien Invaders, but I think we can all agree 2002 was awful, and yet it was good in the long run; I wouldn't say it's underrated, but hear me out. You have to remember the issue with loosing Casey Kasem, and the pressure of trying to re-cast such a definitive character. Casey would leave Shaggy permanently in '09 but because of WN there was enough time to figure out who could success him. 2002's casting was chose from recent horror films (obviously Buffy, and in this case Scream.) without 2002 there'd likely be no Mathew Lillard. We'd probobly have Scott Innes instead, and you know you don't want that. What's New bought enough time to figure out how to revive such an old brand. What's New saved Scooby-Doo, and you have to appreciate it for that.
The most underrated series to me is The Scooby-Doo Show, because it ultimately lives in the shadow of WAY. Most will get turned off by Scooby-Dum, and even I can admit it's a little odd. However, having another dog in the show was pretty brilliant on paper. During early development of WAY the dog in the show was in question a lot, but they were either to be a big coward or a small bruiser. You can put two and two together, and needless to say scrapped ideas were used later. Most scenes with Scooby-Dum end up depicting him like a clone of Scooby, an exaggeration of Scooby, or just an idiot. I think if Dum's parts were more independent of Scooby, he'd work tons better. Some of the monsters are iconic like the 10000 Volt Ghost or Tar Monster but most of them are weird and forgettable like Disc Demon or Old Iron Face. Obviously there's the Classic 1920 ghouls too like The Headless Horseman but there's a lot less of them here. The mystery aspect feels a bit more clear here than compared to WAY. TSDS has more suspects, and the clues are more subtle. It still has chase scenes and comedy bits, but there's less time spent on them. It's almost like a third season of WAY. It was the start of the Scooby-relative craze that killed the vintage era, but on it's own it does a fair job of using the Scooby-Doo formula in a way that keeps you entertained.
Both series were pretty mediocre, but marked important parts for the Warner Bros IP. I don't think What's New is awful, even though it brought about the "Shaggy is a stoner" people. It's loved for the stylistic touch, which can be seen in everything from the soundtrack to the pace of the plot. The Scooby-Doo Show has lots of flaws that keep it hidden, and the distance we keep from it is earned. It's half shunned with the rest of the Scrappy-phase and half praised as a classic, and it's criticisms are for the most part justified. Both of them are over and under valued, but rightfully so.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Sept 30, 2017 18:55:33 GMT -5
I personally would like to see everything be more solid. The voice actors definitely give each character their own personality (like with Casey, he always gave Shaggy a certain charm, or how Velma is alot more sassy when done by Mindy Cohn) and it's cool to see the different takes on them, but I'd like to see if they could make the characters a bit more grounded in themselves. Lillard always says he's studied Casey Kasem's Shaggy, but whenever I see Lillard do Shag it's not exactly there. Shaggy is a bit more than hungry and cowardly, and I'd like to see him use his ventriloquism again, or maybe make him a bit more independent like in 13 Ghosts. And that's just an example, they don't have to change only Shaggy. Lots of the new shows' humor is based in parody of Where Are You, but as new generations are introduced to Scooby-Doo maybe we could move past that? Sure you can throw in a reference or two, but if all you can do is nod back to the good old days, then how will you hope to be more than that? Don't be afraid to try something new, that's what MI did and everyone loved it.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Sept 29, 2017 17:35:43 GMT -5
ScoobyDoom found out that the script reads "Scooby Doo! Guess Who?". Form posters on Scoobypedia (namely Anythingspossibleforapossible ) mentions it might be a New Movies revival. It would be a good step to start with Batman crossing over, considering how well received that was. Another thing to note is Micheal Ryan being hash-tagged in Lillard's instagram post. Allegedly a producer not a writer, so sorry if you where hoping for a Mystery Inc. follow-up. Attachments:
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