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Post by ScoobyAddict on Sept 3, 2012 10:00:00 GMT -5
I can see how I would be contradicting myself there. I see each series as it's own entity. The live action movies, however, I see them as being based on the series, and there should not have been any contradictions in those movies at all. It really bothered me in the movies, especially when Robbie Amell was Fred and he looked nothing like him.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 3, 2012 12:31:10 GMT -5
I can see how I would be contradicting myself there. I see each series as it's own entity. The live action movies, however, I see them as being based on the series, and there should not have been any contradictions in those movies at all. It really bothered me in the movies, especially when Robbie Amell was Fred and he looked nothing like him. There were A LOT of things that bothered me with those two movies. Especially since I view it all as one continuity, there are just way too many contradictions. I didn't think any of the characters looked like themselves, but "Shaggy" would probably be the closest. For me, the live-action versions were already revealed in the first two. "The live action movies, however, I see them as being based on the series, and there should not have been any contradictions in those movies at all." I don't think they could have made these movies (Mystery Begins and Lake Monster) with no contradictions. It seems to have already been revealed how the gang got together and everything.
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Post by 24994j on Sept 5, 2012 23:33:36 GMT -5
I'm a little late to the party on this one, and my response may get a little long-winded...so you've all been warned I agree with the idea that "Pup" is the (un)official beginning of the Scooby universe...but I've kind of grouped things together by the perceived ages and personal development of the characters. Also, each era of programming seems to have a certain chronology to it, one that many of you will not agree with, and I respect that. Here it goes... ERA 1: (Pre-Teen)- "A Pup Named SD" ERA 2: (Teen-Early 20s)- "Where are You?": the kids are teens, about 15-17 (Velma youngest, Fred able to drive, Shag most likely oldest). - "New SD Movies": similar to "Where are You?" in age, personalities, etc...just with celebrities. - "SD Show": I aged them out of high school at this point (20ish)...their horizons clearly broadened, they go international on many occasions, and frankly, I see them as being a little more mature in this series. The mysteries also seem to last a little longer, not necessarily wrapped up in one day/night. - As time goes on, Scrappy gets phased in, Fred, Daphne and Velma phased out. Let's say they go onto other personal endeavors...which gets addressed at Scooby's birthday/"This is your Life" special. I'm ignoring the premise of Daphne returning or the addition of Flim-Flam, but exploring the Shaggy-Scooby-Scrappy concept. What happens after "Reluctant Werewolf" (Scrappy's farewell) is anybody's guess... ERA 3: (Early-Late 20s)- "What's New SD?": no school references, characters far more developed and (arguably) more mature. - DTV Movies, "Legend of the Vampire"-Present: most of these films were produced in the style of WNSD and can be implied as taking place concurrently. The newer-animation films can be grouped here too, as there has not been any significant personality differences between the two styles. I wouldn't put these movies in any particular order though, for some events contradict each other (Fraphne evolution is an example, but not at all a factor in my overall theory). ERA 4: (30-ish)- Despite being made nearly 15 years ago, the first four DTV movies still remain as the gold standard of the Scooby universe; from the maturity and development of the characters, to the high quality animation/production values and the overall climatic nature that they brought to the entire franchise at the time has gone virtually unchallenged since. Alternate/Uncategorizable Eras:- Live-Action Films: I'm only talking about the first two films, I'd put them in the same time period as Era 4 (a different approach to the gang's reunion), but could easily be placed prior to Era 3 (seeing as it contributed to the revitalization of the franchise). - "Shaggy and SD Get a Clue": not going there...but maybe in the Fredaplhma-less period, seeing as they made very few appearances. -"Mystery Incorporated": makes references to all other eras in some form, most closely resembles a post-"Where are You?" world, but until we know how it ends, it cannot be placed anywhere in the overall timeline I've compiled. I also understand that SDMI is allegedly an entirely different universe, so that complicates placement. Discussion Encouraged...
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Post by j3h on Sept 6, 2012 10:45:17 GMT -5
That's not at all a bad way at looking at the franchise as a whole and sorting out continuities.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 6, 2012 15:11:34 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your timeline 24994j.
Question: Is each "Era" on a different continuity? Or do you think of it all as one continuity? What are your views on continuity..?
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 6, 2012 16:24:10 GMT -5
I still haven't seen Mystery Begins (haven't seen any of the live action stuff after the first film), but I dug Pup Named Scooby Doo as a kid.
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Post by 24994j on Sept 6, 2012 16:27:58 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your timeline 24994j. Question: Is each "Era" on a different continuity? Or do you think of it all as one continuity? What are your views on continuity..? I think of the 4 eras being in the same continuity, but there are alot of holes in how they are connected, namely between 2 and 3.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 6, 2012 16:32:57 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your timeline 24994j. Question: Is each "Era" on a different continuity? Or do you think of it all as one continuity? What are your views on continuity..? I think of the 4 eras being in the same continuity, but there are alot of holes in how they are connected, namely between 2 and 3. Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by j3h on Sept 11, 2012 20:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 20:14:15 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is to discuss continuity here too. I mean continuity seems pretty relevant on this thread too.
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Post by j3h on Sept 11, 2012 20:20:41 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is to discuss continuity here too. I mean continuity seems pretty relevant on this thread too. It's the exact same discussion. Let's not have it twice. Does this need to be locked and lose the poll?
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 20:27:35 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is to discuss continuity here too. I mean continuity seems pretty relevant on this thread too. It's the exact same discussion. Let's not have it twice. Does this need to be locked and lose the poll? No, the thread doesn't need to be locked. But I don't see anything wrong with people expressing how they feel about continuity on two different threads. It's not the exact same conversation. I don't see what the big deal is.
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Post by ShaphneFan on Sept 11, 2012 20:34:31 GMT -5
I have to say some kind of mix between pup and mystery begins. I believe that Daphne, Shaggy, and Fred may have done some kind of dectective work before. They may have all been friends but they probably didn't start traveling and mystery solving until after velma came to the area.
I mean switched schools.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 20:37:31 GMT -5
I have to say some kind of mix between pup and mystery begins. I believe that Daphne, Shaggy, and Fred may have done some kind of dectective work before. They may have all been friends but they probably didn't start traveling and mystery solving until after velma came to the area. I'm not quite understanding your mix between the two.
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Post by ShaphneFan on Sept 11, 2012 20:41:55 GMT -5
What I mean is
Daphne, Shaggy, and Fred were probably all friends before. Probably the same age as in Pup. BUT without Velma. Probably solved about a handful of mysteries with Scooby.
And since I try to count all of the versions of the series and Velma saying how she went to one high school, before meeting the gang. They would have to meet Velma and include her. So like The Mysteries Begins they started together as a group of 5 in high school.
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