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Post by barneynedward on Dec 14, 2017 0:02:50 GMT -5
I hope that even though they don't sound like they'll be major characters in this one, that Shaggy and Scooby at least appear as a cameo or get mentioned. It's not really Scooby-Doo without Shaggy.
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Post by Ark on Jan 15, 2018 3:43:09 GMT -5
I'm personally very excited about this new film. It should be interesting to see a more feminist-focused film that shows the origins of Daphne and Velma, and maybe gives us some more insight on the characters. I really hope people end up giving it a chance and don't just immediately judge it before it even comes out. I've already seen quite a few criticisms of it from people who think it's going to be this hyper-feminist mess, despite the only real evidence of this is that the studio has a history of making movies which include a strong, empowered female lead. I don't want to see a super radically extreme feminist "men are pigs! burn your bra!" film either, but I wish people's minds wouldn't immediately turn to criticism and bashing before the film has even come out. Here's hoping for an interesting movie which maybe shows the characters in a more central, prominent way than we've seen them before! You'll love just about any Miyazaki movie I'd be willing to bet. Very empowering movies, often with lead females. |
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 16, 2018 1:55:17 GMT -5
yes Spirited Away is my favorite Miyazaki film. I'm not much for live action films based of cartoons, they tend to, not to mince words, suck, and suck royally. hence why I prefer animation.
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Jan 17, 2018 17:45:19 GMT -5
I have a question, if this isn't about woman rights now, why aren't Fred and Shaggy getting there own movies too? If we are doing another films reboot the guys deserve solo films too, am I right or what? If they get there own movies too I'm down for this if not seems like woman power type movies to me and honestly I'm getting tired of those films and this is coming from a girl.
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Post by Doo on Jan 17, 2018 18:25:22 GMT -5
I have a question, if this isn't about woman rights now, why aren't Fred and Shaggy getting there own movies too? If we are doing another films reboot the guys deserve solo films too, am I right or what? If they get there own movies too I'm down for this if not seems like woman power type movies to me and honestly I'm getting tired of those films and this is coming from a girl. There certainly could be a "Fred & Shaggy" movie in the future, though based on the studio's previous work being very feminist-focused, it would probably have to be from another studio. This is just my opinion and you're more than welcome to disagree with it, but I guess I don't see anything wrong with movies displaying females in a prominent and empowered role. That being said, I don't necessarily like or agree with every single "woman power" movie out there either. Some of them go a bit overboard, and inhibit the development of the plot by becoming overly focused on feminist issues. I do, however, appreciate the ones that are able to create an interesting plotline along with an empowering female character, without turning into a huge political statement which scolds anyone who isn't a feminist. I don't doubt that the movie will be focused on feminism and women's rights to a degree, but I wouldn't go so far as to presume the movie is going to be some preachy "women are the best gender!" film, especially since we barely know anything about the film's plot beyond a brief blurb of a premise. I also respectfully disagree with your point that simply because they're making a "Daphne and Velma" movie, that a "Fred and Shaggy" movie has to be created to make things fair. Simply because the film presents the two female characters in a slightly more empowered light doesn't necessarily mean that we have to create another movie empowering the males just as much. Culturally, men already have an empowered position in society and that's exactly why you've never heard of a "man empowering" movie. I completely understand and respect your opinion even though mine differs. Just wanted to answer your question and provide my two cents. Hope I didn't offend.  |
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Post by russm on Jan 18, 2018 16:42:29 GMT -5
We will have to wait and see but solving a mystery does not require preaching from the SJW pulpit. Now for some the fact that there is a film with female leads who are doing stuff other than obsessing over a guy or needing a guy to do the 'real work' is tantamount to the four horseman of the apocalypse grazing on their lawn. By far the best approach would show then getting together, investigating the mystery, making mistakes, fixing them and eventually after recovering numerous pairs of lost glasses, solving the mystery.
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 18, 2018 20:16:56 GMT -5
i agree with russm. the best solution is what rush out in his post- investigating, making inexperienced mistakes, and dealing with some of the Daphne and Velma tropes that have sprung up over the last 50 years
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Post by Ark on Jan 19, 2018 17:53:21 GMT -5
It's fine if the girls get a turn. Mystery begins was basically Shaggy's movie.
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Post by dsfjr1190 on Jan 19, 2018 22:14:45 GMT -5
The backlash against this move isn't necessarily against the movie itself. When the movie was announced people were confused, but there was no anger. No backlash. The backlash didn't come until the media made a big deal about the movie being feminist and "girl power" and all of the idiots came out of the woodwork demanding Daphne and Velma be in a lesbian relationship.
The backlash came immediately after that. No one likes being preached to about "girl power." It is almost always done terribly cheesy. Combined with people from outside of the fandom demanding a lesbian relationship between characters because "it's current year!" its no wonder this movie gets backlash.
What people need to keep in mind though is that neither the media nor the "make everyone gay" crowd are writing this movie. And no matter how it turns out, it probably won't be the worst entry in the franchise.
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Post by Doo on Jan 19, 2018 22:35:50 GMT -5
The backlash against this move isn't necessarily against the movie itself. When the movie was announced people were confused, but there was no anger. No backlash. The backlash didn't come until the media made a big deal about the movie being feminist and "girl power" and all of the idiots came out of the woodwork demanding Daphne and Velma be in a lesbian relationship. The backlash came immediately after that. No one likes being preached to about "girl power." It is almost always done terribly cheesy. Combined with people from outside of the fandom demanding a lesbian relationship between characters because "it's current year!" its no wonder this movie gets backlash. What people need to keep in mind though is that neither the media nor the "make everyone gay" crowd are writing this movie. And no matter how it turns out, it probably won't be the worst entry in the franchise. Exactly how I feel about the backlash this movie has already received before we really even know much about it. Simply displaying the two female characters from a more empowered perspective doesn't necessarily mean the movie is going to be a huge preach-fest or that every character needs to be gay. I have no issues with LGBTQ+ characters in films/TV and love that there is increasing representation of those underrepresented groups in movies/television now, but it also doesn't need to be forced where it clearly doesn't fit with the characters' personalities. I wish people would have a more open mind to this film. If you already hate the film when you know barely anything about it, you're certainly not going to be able to give it a chance when it actually is released. |
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Post by barneynedward on Jan 19, 2018 23:24:37 GMT -5
The only reason I could hate this is if Shaggy and Scooby aren't even mentioned. I don't really need them to be major characters in this film but I can't see how it could be a true Scooby movie if they aren't even mentioned. Here's one way they could do it: Velma could bribe Daphne with a Scooby snack and when Daphne asks why, Velma could say it works on her boyfriend and his dog.
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 19, 2018 23:51:21 GMT -5
Doo has it right, imo. the blacklist against the film, such as it is comes from a number of sources.
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Post by Grin on Jan 20, 2018 6:42:43 GMT -5
Velma could say it works on her boyfriend and his dog. Nice try barneyedward 😏 hehehe |
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Post by Ark on Jan 20, 2018 22:59:28 GMT -5
I do wish Scooby would be in this though. Hopefully it will make more sense once it comes out.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Jan 21, 2018 15:15:19 GMT -5
This idea was obviously forced in by judgmental feminists, who should be left out of family quality entertainment in the first place.
Also, could this be the live action movie that was announce awhile ago around the same time the 2020 movie was announced?
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