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Dec 4, 2017 20:01:55 GMT -5
Post by rightinthetockles on Dec 4, 2017 20:01:55 GMT -5
yeah definitely headed towards a finale, imo., DONT YOU DARE SAY THAT DO NOT SAY THAT NO YOU ARE LYING BLASPHEMY
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Post by rightinthetockles on Dec 3, 2017 19:04:26 GMT -5
While it is very charming, Pup Named Scooby Doo is just a product of it's time. The Mystery Map was a very nice representation of what a PN revival could be, but I like it as is. I don't think much could be added to elicit a revival but maybe babies will make a comeback in animation, who knows?
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Post by rightinthetockles on Dec 3, 2017 18:51:31 GMT -5
If you truly wish to make guidelines that will stand well you need to introduce the obvious before stating the controversial. I have become inspired by this post however incoherent it is, and with more focus on general theme rather than "Any extreme changes to the franchise should be avoided (like "Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue")" orders will become much more applicable. You can try and put up a barrier all you want but writers will make what they want of a story regardless because they're way too snobbish. More idealistically, rules for Scooby-Doo should focus more on what can be changed more than what should not; people prefer to be told what they can do rather than what they can not. If actually set in action, the rules you just purposed would only last Scooby-Doo about 3 years.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 30, 2017 16:33:11 GMT -5
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 30, 2017 16:25:10 GMT -5
I have done a pick apart of the trailer, I’ll start off by going over characters featured the stood out to me, or in the case of the two Unknown’s didn’t stand out enough. Unknown: (0:36) This guy to the left of Fred is purposefully out of frame, no idea who it could be. (1:06) Along with Catman (Thomas Wilson?) Batman also punches this dude with an X on his face. He’s probably known but I’m not the most knowledgeable DC fan. Non-Listers: www.imdb.com/title/tt7578566/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast(0:47) Killer Croc and Scarface are victim to food fights in this scene. I imagine Croc will be played by Stephen Root like in S3E4 but Scarface hasn’t been in Brave and Bold before and he gets very little screen time in the trailer although I doubt he is a big part in this. (0:58) Scarecrow. I imagine he’s played by the previous B&tB voice, Dee Bradley Baker like in episode 15. (0:01) The two puppet people at the beginning. Seems like another ‘Luna Ghost thing’ where they’re only in the intro but if I didn’t say something people would lose it. Just in case you have your doubts, their unmask scene is in the trailer so rest in pepperoni. Hard to Spot: (0:58) Mr. Freeze, again just like the episode: S3E9 John DiMaggio; which would be easiest to assume out of these because DiMaggio is also Aquaman. (0:54) Aquaman is only up for less than a second, so here he is. (0:01) The Riddler is not shown in person but in the first scene of the trailer we can see street art of a question mark. I would like to see John Glover or Wally Wingert (sorry, Arkham has a good cast) but the page says we’re getting John Michael Higgins. (0:34) (0:54) The Question is a little hidden but he’s there. I suppose while we’re on the subject of crossovers, it’s good to mention this isn’t the last time we’ll see crossovers in recent stuff. Unlike I suspected, there are no definite ties to Lillard’s Instagram post with Kevin Conroy (more batman?);the new series “Guess Who?” is theorized to be a New Movies reboot and/or spoof; if not that we always have the Injustice 2 ‘leaks’ and of course the Team-Up comics are still on. So now it’s time for the burning question: Will this be any good? Keep in mind I have no way of knowing but I can make a pretty good guess based on what little is known. Brave and the Bold, the TV series stopped re-runs in 2012. I was 8-11 years old, so not old enough to know all the ‘non-batman’ characters which is why I lost interest. What I did see of it was fun enough but I wouldn’t put it next to The Animated Series or anything; It’s ok. My expectations going forward is this will be mediocre personally but others may dislike it. People devoted enough to DC to actually know who Detective Chimp or Plastic Man should like it alright but for all the non-nerds this is going to be a little head scratching. That’s just the result of having so many characters though, you get to a point where using all of them isn’t possible and not using them would mean people forget about them.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 30, 2017 16:22:44 GMT -5
Lots of these rules are too general, and don't define a clear line. Please make definite statements and then elaborate so everything is perfectly clear, I don't approve of your rules at this point.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 29, 2017 23:07:11 GMT -5
I don't regard your comments as any personal offense. I encourage you to express your ideas openly and freely, as long as you remain logical, persuasive, tactful, and respectful. Your input is greatly appreciated. I have ordered copies of Scooby Apocalypse volumes 1 and 2 and the first issues of the comic SDWAY, added X-Files and Legend of the Phantosaur to my watchlist, decided to keep easter eggs and references to a minimum for aesthetic purposes, decided to wait on executing certain plot twists until later in the season, [2] decided to reengineer the show's pace for more buildup, and have decided to make Daphne a more intelligent sleuth, all because of your suggestions. You have also inspired me to make Scooby Doo a more central figure with a clear purpose. [3]As for the "Mystery Machine" logo, it does not make sense for the words to be on the van until later in season 1. It will be a good reveal. The rest of the van's paint job will be the same. It's a van that becomes a Mystery Machine. It undergoes character development as if it were a character itself. [1]What I would like to know is if there are any dialogue lines, character moments, plot points, or jokes you would like to see in the show. Any favorite characters? Which villains would you like to see? Any original villain or story ideas? [1] Thanks for finally specifying. I will look through some of my old fan comics I was too shameful to upload to see if anything's worth it, I'll let you know tomorrow.
[2] I can't tell much difference because I didn't have an idea of the pace from before but it sounds like a good change.
[3] Lake Monster/ Mystery Begins tried to have the Mystery Machine be a big reveal too. I'm sorry but it's just too bluntly obvious. As for the whole 'character' thing I'm again inspired by how general that wording is, because that could really mean anything but contracts suck.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 29, 2017 22:48:46 GMT -5
"Any suggestions? Guidelines? Ideas?"
Then Later...
"Unfortunately for some of you, I already have romantic relationships between the characters outlined. It's necessary."
While this is but one example, it's still pretty concerning an entire thread agrees something is unjust and you lay out it will be in your project that you asked for out input on.
I would like to "keep up the discussion!" but eventually you run out of things you're legally allowed to leak and we run out of theories to make. I will say this though, in my eyes the whole concept of 'sex violence and drugs' being evil is pretty socially influenced. It's still information and should be regarded as reality, that being said you shouldn't force it in either. If shipping is 'necessary' or anything for that matter, you kinda ruin the natural feeling of a story. So let's say you do enter into romance in this, what is to be gained? How long can you really explore this before you hit a barrier? Because that's what censorship is, barriers. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you really want a realistic, immersive, scary show you need to make it feel natural. I won't go into a spiel about underlying plots because you work on Your Pretty Face which is drunk on underlying plot, however allow me to reference something most agree is the best Scooby thing ever. Zombie Island wasn't cool because the monsters are real, it's cool because it took that idea and said, the zombies were just trying to help them the entire time which sums up to, "Don't judge a book by it's cover." If you plan to have both romance and the supernatural, how can you hope to both tie those together and create a good message? Maybe you have that figured out, maybe shipping is mandatory in that case, but I don't find it very possible. I want to have hope for Scooby-Doo again, I want to believe it's not self fueled merchandise, but when they're literally making movies about toys about tv shows (Haunted Hollywood) it's really hard to deny. Maybe Pan-Pizza was right, there's just way too much Scooby-Doo. How about we take a nice, well deserved break? That won't happen, but I can dream.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 29, 2017 19:56:47 GMT -5
First of all, let me thank you for your thoughtful replies. One thing that will make this show easy to pitch is how devoted and loyal the fan base is. [1] As for story, the plot moves forward with [3] surprising pace, but the characters are front-and-center. They are the most important aspect of the scripts I am working on. I did want to make more of a horror slant with the series. No gore, but atmospheric horror with scary visuals. I LOVE the atmosphere [2] of the original cartoon. I also love the neo-retro atmosphere of Mystery Incorporated. In many ways, the show will be a blend of the SDWAY and Mystery Incorporated, with many new twists added. Unfortunately for some of you, I already have romantic relationships [4] between the characters outlined. It's necessary. The B and C plots are really what drive a show episode to episode, but don't fear: I hate soap-opera drama. I prefer writing more subtle relationship tension as opposed to sappy, dialogue-heavy conflict. Scooby Doo is a tricky character to write, especially since I was going for a more realistic (but fun and familiar) approach to the show. I decided that Scooby will have a more limited vocabulary (still able to say 'Ruh-roh, Raggy'), and will gain the ability to speak halfway through the series as a side effect of a supernatural disease. [7] I needed a time period with limited technology to set the story in, so I went for 1966 California. (I know, SDWAY was set in 1969, but this will pay homage to that cartoon.) [6] It will be a little tricky, since less people are familiar with the decade, as opposed to the 1980's (It, Stranger Things) [5] , but I think it will give the show a great atmosphere, and a snappy soundtrack choice. (Spooky – Dusty Springfield, Season of the witch – Donovan, Boris the spider – The Who, Bad Moon Rising – Creedence Clearwater Revival, Strangers in the Night – Frank Sinatra.) I've swan-dived into researching 60's pop-culture, slang, and fashion. [8] Fun fact: Strangers in the Night – Frank Sinatra inspired the name "Scooby Doo." Again, I've only been working on these scripts for about a week [9], and I'm not even getting paid for them yet. It isn't too late to input suggestions. I'll be busy this summer as I am joining another writing team, so I'll try to finish at least 8 episodes before then. Thank you, -Sam Carter Before I begin picking this apart I want to thank you for already making this interesting. I've always said the most important part of art is to get people's attention and that is what you have done. [1] Pace is something I bring up lots of times in critiquing Be Cool as you may have noticed. I do this as a personal note to WAY. The slow pace made it easier for the younger audience but I believe if put into something quite story heavy it would allow atmosphere [2] to be more of a breaking point for character build or maybe even a break from the chaos. [3] "Surprising" does not describe it well enough but my hope is that you intend to start slow and then speed up as it progresses. [4] Very bad. Keeping this 'necessary' stigma really makes this seem unsafe. I honestly believe the sexual tension is way too easy to screw up for it to be tried again, however I believe it to be possible; I want to be optimistic, as worried as this makes me so a good bit of this will be backpedaling. Romance would be good to add if you make it less about their attachment and more about their innocence. The gang may be very calm and collected at times but they're still teenagers. Make the relationships loose in the context of the series and make it more about becoming mature. [5] Though I have not seen Stranger Things, It (in regards to the novel anyway) made the 'romance' end more about them not knowing any better and less about traditional romance. Lots of people like to bring up the orgy part of the novel for shock humor but in truth this was to signify that the sexual tensions were over and they had symbolically become adults. Don't put a sex scene in that's not my point, the idea is to ground it in what teen love really is, a blind approach with only assumptions to go off of without any real experience. [6] I don't know that your demographic will notice a three year gap that far back, so you might as well go for it. Again, it makes me confident you keep the source in such high regard. [7] I'm most on the fence about this. On one end I still don't really know about what Scooby-Doo should be aside from voice and goofy actions (like charades to explain when he's too scared to talk or animating his tail as a finger) and on the other end I don't believe it should be grounded by something supernatural. Maybe this could be like Zombie Island where some super natural dudes are good and some are evil. (it's a 10 year spoiler but a good example) and I would like that. If it's by accident or through something possessing him (like the singularity in MI), there are just a little too many ways that could be and I would need specifics before truly saying something on it. [8] speaking of old spoilers, I'll be honest with you that isn't the coolest sign. It's possible not everyone knows still, but it being a very 'google'able thing makes me loose some hope. I guess when I asked for the references to not be TooMuch I should have said not to little either. [9] Whatever you do, I am interested to see the net result and will be following the information regarding it. Thank you again for keeping the board interesting, it can get very lonely when all you have is fellow fans and speculation.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 29, 2017 18:33:39 GMT -5
...I wanted to interact with fellow Scooby Doo fans, and see what you would like to see in a Scooby Doo show. Any suggestions? Guidelines? Ideas? -Sam Carter 5. Scooby Doo is more than just Shaggy and Scooby eating or running about being scared. Give room for the other members to shine, give them their time in the sun, give the characters time to breathe. 6. Read Scooby Apocalypse and some of the earlier Scooby Doo Where Are You comics. For a break and for ideas (but not the current run of Where Are You as the writing is subpar.) 7. Be positive, Velma is curvy and chubby who is happy and confidant in herself Shaggy is tall and thin, a bit gangly his scaredy-ness is more than skin-deep but inside is the heart of a lion when the need arises, Daphne is a focused, intelligent and caring individual, the 'heart’ of the gang not a Fred-obsessed peril magnet. Fred is the leader, not a dictator, he knows when to step aside and let someone else work and he cares for the rest of the gang. 8. And decide what to do with Scooby. Is he just a dog, a dog with a voiceover (Disney animal journey films anyone?) or a 'smart dog’ as in Scooby Apocalypse. In many ways he will be the toughest nut to crack. Get him wrong and nothing else will matter. I completely agree russm, Make the characters relate-able. The trend recently is to dumb things down and make Shaggy hungry and scared, Fred egocentric and stupid, Daphne pretty and feminine, Velma expositious and forced. These are the traits of the gang but they are so simplified they become philosophical zombies. Instead, the idea in a horror series would be to give the motives so it all makes sense. Why is Shaggy hungry and scared? Does he have an eating disorder, does he believe in the super natural? Why is Fred blindly leading? Does something drive him to this or does someone? etc. Deductively explain who these characters are before launching them into the classic trope. I'm not saying you have to do an origins episode, in fact I'd prefer it to be anything but that; instead give us this with an introduction and focus on visual hints. Maybe even use visual hints later on for dramatic irony, what if Shaggy and Scooby find a clue but don't even realize it? It's supposed to be a mystery, give me something to solve. Another thing is comics. Comics are amazing and don't get any credit or source in the limelight. "earlier Where Are You" does not mean Golden Key. I like the Golden Key ones, they are nice adaptations of the original cartoon but russum is talking about the 1995 issues by Archie. This brings Scrappy in to question but yes Archie is very good; Alternate dogs (like Scrappy or Dum) are an entirely different thread, so I digress. The problem with insinuating such a thing is that there are many comics and many issues. A list of good issues would be a good thing to ask for if you really want comics but it would be a very long poll. EDIT: I was mistaken, they meant Golden Key, though this makes me confused. The dog will be there, he will be in it and the pressure is real. In WAY he doesn't talk much, when alternate dogs were introduced (Scrappy and Dum again) he talked a little more, In BC and MI he won't shut up. We've approached this many ways and I don't know what's the right way with this one. You're on your own, but don't screw it up.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 29, 2017 18:03:12 GMT -5
But what would you like to see in a show with the original gang? This to me is a very good sign that you know what you're doing. In order to really get a good sense of realism you need to stay true to the roots.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 29, 2017 17:57:45 GMT -5
I understand your previous work in live adaptations have been very successful authentically speaking however I cannot say the same for Scooby-Doo. Getting the look correct would be but one step in the right direction, even if you captured the look of the cartoons exactly you would still run into issues. I can tell you shooting for something story heavy is what has been done in the past and it has not worked well. I suggest you approach it softly, but in a way that keeps your immersed and not bored. Stranger Things-esque is fine but build up to the twists and scares don't jump on them right away. Regarding specific obstacles, the CG has been very uncanny previously and making Scooby-Doo look right in three dimensions would be a very good thing to be certain of. I will site Night of 100 Frights for it's model, they do the proportions quite well and the shape isn't too sharp or too rounded. www.models-resource.com/playstation_2/scoobydoonightof100frights/model/10221/I don't have many guidelines but ideas are in abundance. Considering you site Stephen King I imagine you want to take it in a horror direction. Even with the original series Who's S-S-Scared? Scooby Doo has had trouble issuing dark tones and themes and we still have the problem in recent years. I'm not saying Time Warner won't let you but they don't enjoy twisting things up very much so keep this in mind when trying new things out. Look into fan favorites for insparation, Mystery Incorporated was controversial in the fandom for going too far and more specifically, the shipping. Take notes from movies like on Zombie Island, Legend of the Phantosaur, and the Witch's Ghost but also take notes on what not to do from the ones strongly considered silly or goofy like meets the Boo Brothers, The 13 Ghosts of, A Pup Named. Personally I think allusions would be fun but don't get too crazy, go for obscure ones that would be unnoticeable otherwise because it's uncanny to see references you don't get. Conclusively, approach the theme very softly, be sure to keep things minimalist not only for brand recognition but also for aesthetic purposes, and most importantly show don't tell.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 22, 2017 13:31:03 GMT -5
The scooby snack doesn't change every time. I can't say much about them, but they're here: These are the one's I'm not giving their own update but thought I should mention anyway. (in WAY!) S1E8 The Backstage Rage There isn't a closeup for this one, how quaint. S1E3 Hassle in the Castle Scooby asks for three instead of one, and this is episode three. Does that mean What a Night for a Knight was supposed to be episode two? These are a little more lumpy than the bean look but seem a little larger. S1E15 Spooky Space Kook Nah I'm just messing with you, these are peanuts.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 21, 2017 16:36:53 GMT -5
Well this took me longer than it should have. Here's what it looks like, it seems to be unique from what I can tell, haven't seen anything exactly like it. I like the idea of combining the O's on top but I dislike that it shows off the bone shaped scooby snack. Maybe this is what Get a Clue's box was supposed to be like (considering the year and look again), or Pressman Toy Corp. was just having fun with designs.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Nov 20, 2017 16:42:28 GMT -5
This one is from a 100 piece puzzle I've had forever. It shows off a blue, yellow and orange coloration of the box. Based off how it looks and the year (2007), the design is probobly the "Scooby Snax" design that popped up around the first re-boot's airing. I'm not certain, but this color pallet could be unique. Here's the entire puzzle btw goo.gl/or6LZt The whole thing is 12x12 inch, and does show the actual image minus puzzle-ation but not in a good resolution. I also have this summer themed one from 2004 but it didn't have a Scooby Snack on it or it'd be here. Oh yes and if you noticed there is another version of the box in the blue background, working on an update on that one it seems very interesting!
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