groovylove96
Mr. E
Respect my opinions and I'll respect yours.
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Post by groovylove96 on Sept 7, 2012 15:33:26 GMT -5
Velma and Fred are very logical people. The only time they freak out is almost always when the ghost or monster starts chasing them. Most of the time Daphne, Shaggy, and Scooby are the ones who start to panic/worry about the creepy situations. But that's obvious with Shaggy and Scooby.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 7, 2012 16:12:52 GMT -5
Velma and Fred are very logical people. The only time they freak out is almost always when the ghost or monster starts chasing them. Most of the time Daphne, Shaggy, and Scooby are the ones who start to panic/worry about the creepy situations. But that's obvious with Shaggy and Scooby. Yea, I see what you are saying.
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Post by j3h on Sept 7, 2012 18:12:32 GMT -5
Progress is a funny thing. None of us even blinked (nor should have) at the mentions of an interracial relationship between Mr. E and Cassidy Williams. That wouldn't have been the case when Scooby-Doo first started. Some day I do believe that there CAN be a Velma who is smart and is a lesbian and it's still our Velma. It will take a little bit to get to a time when it would be non-blinked at as well though. Always looking forward to positive progress. I think it would be great for gays and lesbians to be 100% accepted in society. But when that time comes, does it mean that we have to make Velma a lesbian? I think there are two main reason why nobody thought of Mr. E and Cassidy Williams' relationship any differently: 1. It is accepted (for the most part) in society now (like you said j3h). 2. We have never seen these characters before until this series. It's not a shock to anybody to hear that they were together because we are just now getting to know them. It's a little bit different with Velma. We already know the character, and her being a lesbian has never been part of the show (in my opinion). I think that most people don't view her as a lesbian, so why make her one once gay people are 100% accepted in society? Interesting points and well presented. Do they HAVE to make Velma a lesbian? No, of course not. But the seeds have been planted...we all wouldn't be having these conversations if they weren't. Again, doesn't mean they HAVE to bare fruit, but if it were to happen, Velma is the one (as of this writing of course) that it feels most natural with. But who knows what some future version of the show may look like? Shocking changes could happen just to freshen it up and mix in some diversity: Fred could be African-American, Velma Asian-American, Daphanie be a Hispanic mix & Gay, and Shaggy & Scooby as we know. I'm not saying this is something I would hope would happen (I wouldn't automatically dismiss it if it did), but I would completely understand the reactions here to such radical changes. I personally don't see Velma being depicted as a lesbian at some possible point as being anywhere near as radical as what I just presented.
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 7, 2012 19:42:51 GMT -5
I think the Velma being a lesbian thing (which seems incredibly subtle if its there) works within the context of Scooby Doo Mystery Inc. The whole show is built upon homage and reference to the vast history of Scooby-Doo/Hanna Barbera and like it or not that element has been a rumor forever. I dunno how I'd feel about the changing of the ethnicity of the characters. As stated above it seems like a natural development for Velma to be a lesbian. I think changes can happen to the characters as long as they seem natural enough.
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Post by j3h on Sept 7, 2012 20:17:26 GMT -5
"Which seems incredibly subtle if its there"
It is intentionally subtle and won't go beyond implied at this point. The main thing that drives it is behind the scenes several members of the creative team behind mystery inc did state that she is being writen with that intent. One of the producers did want to emphasize though that they would never do it just to be exploitive or shocking or for ratings. I would say it is their way of pushing the boundries a little bit. Being "implied" allows for the viewers' own interpretation how they want to view it...a safety net so to speak.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 8, 2012 14:29:51 GMT -5
I think it would be great for gays and lesbians to be 100% accepted in society. But when that time comes, does it mean that we have to make Velma a lesbian? I think there are two main reason why nobody thought of Mr. E and Cassidy Williams' relationship any differently: 1. It is accepted (for the most part) in society now (like you said j3h). 2. We have never seen these characters before until this series. It's not a shock to anybody to hear that they were together because we are just now getting to know them. It's a little bit different with Velma. We already know the character, and her being a lesbian has never been part of the show (in my opinion). I think that most people don't view her as a lesbian, so why make her one once gay people are 100% accepted in society? Interesting points and well presented. But who knows what some future version of the show may look like? Shocking changes could happen just to freshen it up and mix in some diversity: Fred could be African-American, Velma Asian-American, Daphanie be a Hispanic mix & Gay, and Shaggy & Scooby as we know. I'm not saying this is something I would hope would happen (I wouldn't automatically dismiss it if it did), but I would completely understand the reactions here to such radical changes. Thank you. I would hope, as much as my heart can hope, that those kind of changes never happen to the characters. I'm not against African-Americans, Asian-Americans, or Hispanics, but I would probably automatically dismiss the series as being true if that happened, because, it's not who the characters are. Would I be okay with other characters coming into the picture who are like that? Sure, absolutely. Cassidy Williams did that. I'm not racist. But, I just want the main 5 to stay how they are and how they have been. Don't try to drastically change something that isn't broken.
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 8, 2012 17:15:44 GMT -5
"Which seems incredibly subtle if its there" It is intentionally subtle and won't go beyond implied at this point. The main thing that drives it is behind the scenes several members of the creative team behind mystery inc did state that she is being writen with that intent. One of the producers did want to emphasize though that they would never do it just to be exploitive or shocking or for ratings. I would say it is their way of pushing the boundries a little bit. Being "implied" allows for the viewers' own interpretation how they want to view it...a safety net so to speak. From what I gathered on a podcast, they were constantly being asked to push boundaries. So maybe this is just one of the touches they put into play. I know it can't be to shock or be exploitative because its not overtly done. All it does as of now is add depth to a character. That has always been SD:MI's greatest strength.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 8, 2012 23:01:08 GMT -5
From what I gathered on a podcast, they were constantly being asked to push boundaries. Do you remember what podcast that was? I'm just curious.
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Post by ThatRainbowGirl on Sept 9, 2012 1:47:50 GMT -5
I don't see how me saying that line could be hurtful to be honest, but I'm sorry if it was. I know I'm backtracking a ton here, but I figured I may as well explain.
My interpretation at the time was basically that you were implying that a gay/lesbian relationship was somehow lower than a het one, since you said "not something I want to see." And since I'm about as straight as a fruit loop, it's something I took a lot more personally than other people on here might.
I think it was just the wording and a misinterpretation on my part since I realize now that you didn't mean it in that way, but... yeah.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 9, 2012 9:44:11 GMT -5
No disrespect is meant out of this, I'm just trying to express how I feel. I don't have anything against gay people, but it's not something I want to see with one of the main characters of the show. The "not something you want to see" line is kinda hurtful, y'know. :/ I don't see how me saying that line could be hurtful to be honest, but I'm sorry if it was. I know I'm backtracking a ton here, but I figured I may as well explain.
My interpretation at the time was basically that you were implying that a gay/lesbian relationship was somehow lower than a het one, since you said "not something I want to see." And since I'm about as straight as a fruit loop, it's something I took a lot more personally than other people on here might.
I think it was just the wording and a misinterpretation on my part since I realize now that you didn't mean it in that way, but... yeah.I'm glad I got to explain how I feel more to where you're not offended anymore.
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 9, 2012 10:06:21 GMT -5
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 9, 2012 12:35:51 GMT -5
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 9, 2012 12:40:42 GMT -5
No problem.
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Post by shaphneforever on Jan 1, 2013 17:24:58 GMT -5
Ever since I was a little girl I've always though that Shaggy and Daphne would make a great couple! ( Really pleased with Night Terrors )
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Post by barneynedward on May 11, 2017 19:23:36 GMT -5
I always figured Shaggy and Velma were the beta couple while Fred and Daphne were the alpha.
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