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Post by scoobnick on Sept 16, 2016 17:09:41 GMT -5
well jcb, the same reason Be cool only got 2 seasons is the same reason Disney keeps ruining classic films like the Lion King with crappy sequels and spinoffs- money. and mistaken notion of what generates it. with scooby, you have a huge fanbase that will generally, watch anything Scooby, and will not be afraid to voice their opinion. Good, Bad, meh, or some combination, they will speak their minds. and Perhaps, If Be cool season 2 is a hut they'll reconsider doing a season 3.
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Post by jcb on Sept 16, 2016 19:40:36 GMT -5
well jcb, the same reason Be cool only got 2 seasons is the same reason Disney keeps ruining classic films like the Lion King with crappy sequels and spinoffs- money. and mistaken notion of what generates it. with scooby, you have a huge fanbase that will generally, watch anything Scooby, and will not be afraid to voice their opinion. Good, Bad, meh, or some combination, they will speak their minds. and Perhaps, If Be cool season 2 is a hut they'll reconsider doing a season 3. Possibly. It's true the money people at WB must have agreed that as long as there's some form of Batman, Bugs and Scooby happening at all times, they will make X amount of money, so it doesn't matter what it is. Zac and I tried very hard to create something that, if given a chance, if promoted correctly, gif actually aired at the same time on the same day so an audience can find it - they could actually have a hit show that entire families could look forward to watching together like Phineas & Ferb. I think we succeeded in making that show. The rest is up to them. Either way, any decision they made on a season three was NOT made on any empirical, factual evidence regarding audience response, reviews or ratings - as BCSD was never given a chance to calculate any of the above. I think history will be kind to BCSD once second season has aired and all is said and done. Some of the best writing I've ever done, some of the best Scooby Doo episodes of all time, in my biased opinion. Or history will say we ruined its childhood and wonder if Seth MacFarlane drew it. Who knows?
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 16, 2016 20:28:54 GMT -5
i highly doubt people will consider this in the same vein as, say, Get a Clue. pretty much any Scooby Fan who's been a fan for any length of time will say that series STUNK. From what I've seen of the show- and I've watched all the episodes that CN has aired so far-, anyone who think 'Seth MCfarlane drew this' is only looking at the chars as drawn- not how they interact, act and show off sides of their personalities, because it is the writing that underlies this take on Scooby. sure they don;t look like the chars as drawn in Scooby Doo where are you, but after nearly 50 years, the SDWAY! look, is expected, if not cliche, at this point. Making the characters feel natural, is more important than how they look superficially.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:59:10 GMT -5
Most shows these days only get 52 episodes maybe it's just time for them to move on to something new? Then there's that deal with the S.C.O.O.B. in a few years meaning that we'll probably wind up getting something as build up for it next.
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Post by russm on Sept 18, 2016 14:07:37 GMT -5
i highly doubt people will consider this in the same vein as, say, Get a Clue. pretty much any Scooby Fan who's been a fan for any length of time will say that series STUNK. In hindsight I didn't think it was too bad. Lets say given a choice between watching some of the New Scooby Doo Movies or stuff with the original Scrappy in give me Get a Clue any day. Your mileage my vary.
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Sept 18, 2016 14:52:13 GMT -5
Yah man, more than two seasons would be add more, take 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo and Shaggy scooby get a clue, both ended on a to be continued note. At least Be Cool Scooby didn't get this type of ending, you should be happy for at least that and MI got an actual ending too. I would have liked a film to finish both series
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Post by Eli Frost on Sept 25, 2016 21:28:00 GMT -5
To be honest, a BCSD film would be pretty cool. It'd also be refreshing since all Scooby Doo movies lately have had one continuous style, and the BCSD style would be awesome. I doubt it would happen, but I would love to see more monsters in BCSD form.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 25, 2016 22:28:43 GMT -5
i agree with Eli> I would like a Be cool movie.
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Post by jcb on Sept 25, 2016 22:36:49 GMT -5
To be honest, a BCSD film would be pretty cool. It'd also be refreshing since all Scooby Doo movies lately have had one continuous style, and the BCSD style would be awesome. I doubt it would happen, but I would love to see more monsters in BCSD form. Thanks for the kind words. I agree, they missed the boat by not paying attention to what we were doing with the characters on BCSD. They brought me in on the SCOOB movie to consult and, at the time, no one had even watched BCSD. I really tried to explain to them why it was important to develop and dimensionalize the main Scooby gang, but they have pretty specific movie they want to make and I think our human approach may be too subtle for them. The idea of actually turning Fred, Daphne and Velma into interesting characters and real human people (no matter HOW they're drawn) still never strikes anyone approaching Scooby Doo as an obvious idea - the way it did to me and Zac. Everyone seems to just think, "Oh, well everyone just really loves Scooby and Shaggy, so let's focus on THEM." But the question Zac and I asked was, "Well, WHY do people seem to like Shaggy and Scooby best?" Because they're the funny ones who have personalities you can anticipate. The other three were just cardboard. One-dimensional. Even in SDMI. We tried to solve that problem on BCSD and it worked to our satisfaction. Most people who watched the show and gave it a chance all have different favorites and many times it's Fred or Daphne, which is rare in a Scooby Doo show. On the bright side, you still have more BCSD coming than has already aired, so there's still a bunch of fun stuff I can't wait for everyone to see where the main focus is ON Fred, Daphne, Velma, Shaggy and Scooby and developing and pushing them as characters, watching them grow and be funny under high stakes and pressure. Hopefully, eventually, one day, people will will realize we got it right.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 25, 2016 22:50:38 GMT -5
i would say. JCb, that from what we've already seen, that you guys gave the gang more personality than they had in mystery INc. Having a stalker-esque crush on another member of the gang, doesnt mean you have a personality, It means you have a problem with what a healthy relationship is and means. Mystery Inc did do some things right, and pushed the envelope in certain ways- upping the actual danger to the gang to the point where the gang was in actual danger in the series- and important characters actually died- for one . You had the strongest attempt ever at a same-sex relationship in Velma- Hot Dog Water, and I think that relationship was the best handled of the various relationships in that series. But i understand why you went away from that aspect, because of how the previous series had handled it, and partly because your plans for the gang didnt involve overt relationships, expect perhaps, the relationships of the gang as a whole, as being part of a team. And i think you've done a fine job in showcasing the bond the 5 share. Daphne's ' cheer-leading ' rah rah speech in the baseball episode is a case in point, where she rallies the gang to solve the case.
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Post by jcb on Sept 25, 2016 23:35:50 GMT -5
i would say. JCb, that from what we've already seen, that you guys gave the gang more personality than they had in mystery INc. Having a stalker-esque crush on another member of the gang, doesnt mean you have a personality, It means you have a problem with what a healthy relationship is and means. Mystery Inc did do some things right, and pushed the envelope in certain ways- upping the actual danger to the gang to the point where the gang was in actual danger in the series- and important characters actually died- for one . You had the strongest attempt ever at a same-sex relationship in Velma- Hot Dog Water, and I think that relationship was the best handled of the various relationships in that series. But i understand why you went away from that aspect, because of how the previous series had handled it, and partly because your plans for the gang didnt involve overt relationships, expect perhaps, the relationships of the gang as a whole, as being part of a team. And i think you've done a fine job in showcasing the bond the 5 share. Daphne's ' cheer-leading ' rah rah speech in the baseball episode is a case in point, where she rallies the gang to solve the case. Thanks, scoobnick. Yeah, I have to keep reminding myself it's still "from what you've seen." I keep saying the best is yet to come, and you guys might disagree, but I think the characters continue to grow and evolve organically throughout season two in such a great way. All of the characters have very surprising episodes that put them and their friendships to the test. I hope we developed them in such a way that you guys will really care about them, personally, and be right there with them, emotionally. I mean, it's always gonna be a silly comedy first, but, at it's best, the comedy is driven by the characters - and that only works if you really know and understand them - the better you know them, the funnier it is. I'll be interested to see if we succeed as far as you're concerned. And, yeah, I agree about SDMI. I mean, they were trying for something totally different, but, yeah, who a character has a crush on means nothing if you don't know WHO that character IS.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 26, 2016 0:10:20 GMT -5
Well said JCB. but Scooby is, and really always has been, more than just a silly comedy. Every iteration of scooby has tried something different, and some worked better than others. the appeal of kids going into creepy places after bad guys doing bad guy things is something that can never really get old. Its the adventure, mystery and more than just a touch of danger and magic, that has appealed to us fans for nearly 50 years with Scooby. Oh, Warner Brothers and others copied the Scooby formula and created several clones ( Jabberjaw, Josie, Funky Phantom, etc) but you cant beat the original, just imitate it. Each new Scooby series, builds on what has come before, and takes the gang in a unique direction. As Stated before, some of those directions work better than others. It is the fleshing out of these beloved characters in Be cool, that I for one, like so much. its not so much that Freds a Trap geek, or Shaggy and Scooby are cowards who have to be bribed to search Old Man Smithers Creepy Closet, but WHY they act the way they do, WHY they have these quirks, and how those quirks are manifested. Daphne's obsession du jour, Fred discovering he can bribe Shaggy and Scooby with treats, even the gang somehow piling up on Velma and forcing her to carry the combined 600+ pounds of the other 4 members, all of those are indeed funny moments. and these are in themselves a knowing nod to the long history of Scooby. Velma was forced to carry the gang before in Where are You!. Shaggy and Scooby have been bribed with treats for basically 50 years. And Daphne's Obsession is- well a new added twist which imo has been handled wonderfully.
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Post by russm on Sept 26, 2016 15:50:19 GMT -5
...Everyone seems to just think, "Oh, well everyone just really loves Scooby and Shaggy, so let's focus on THEM."... Which has been a problem with some of the recent offerings where the dynamic duo have been used as easy filler rather than putting the work in and writing some material - having the pair do some active clue finding even. What makes that approach worse is when much of the screen time is already given over to the likes of WWE. Hopefully your words will bear fruit over time. Be Cool and Scooby Apocalypse have shown that you can have character development and interaction in SCooby Doo without distracting from the essence of the show.
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Post by jcb on Sept 26, 2016 20:26:40 GMT -5
...Everyone seems to just think, "Oh, well everyone just really loves Scooby and Shaggy, so let's focus on THEM."... Which has been a problem with some of the recent offerings where the dynamic duo have been used as easy filler rather than putting the work in and writing some material - having the pair do some active clue finding even. What makes that approach worse is when much of the screen time is already given over to the likes of WWE. Hopefully your words will bear fruit over time. Be Cool and Scooby Apocalypse have shown that you can have character development and interaction in SCooby Doo without distracting from the essence of the show. The only way all the work Zac and I put into developing and focusing on the entire gang will appear like a positive to anyone who follows us is if they do a decent job airing and promoting the rest of BCSD - AND people actually like what we do. It's odd that we were the first in 46 years to really try and turn the whole gang into fully realized, dimensional humans - and not one-dimensional or easy-cliche cartoon characters (Now Daphne's an "intrepid reporter!" "Now Daphne is good at karate - see, she's EMPOWERED! Go GUURRLLZZ!" "Daphne likes Fred!" Ugh). We'll see how the remainder of BCSD is handled.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 26, 2016 22:57:10 GMT -5
Yeah ' all the situations Daphnes been put in, remind me of Barbie and her billions of outfits and careers. Shes a nurse! Shes an Actress, shes a singer! She Likes Ken! She likes girls!, shes running for president!' Etc Etc. Toy story 3 handled Barbie- Ken brilliantly.
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