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Post by mattpricetime on Jun 14, 2016 13:38:36 GMT -5
Cartoon Network pretty much universally believed in using the split versions. With The Scooby Doo Show, Dynomutt Dog Wonder, Laff-a-Lympics and Captain Caveman all being their own half hour show when aired.
The only time they changed that up was with The New Scooby and Scrappy Show and The New Scooby Doo Mysteries. Sometimes they shared a booking. In which when they ran through the first show, the second show continued in the time slot. And sometimes they didn't cycle through and went solo.
There were similar bookings on some other shows like this. That sometimes shared a time slot and sometimes went solo. I don't really know why, but CN did used to do this for a few of shows they had in the library.
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Post by scoobnick on Jun 14, 2016 23:57:44 GMT -5
i, personally have always viewed the crossovers with dynomutt and richie rich as seperate from, say Where are You. New Scooby mysteries was simply a renaming of one season of Scooby and Scrappy Doo
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Post by mattpricetime on Jun 15, 2016 17:02:22 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, the first incarnation with Scrappy and the shorts seasons were usually booked separately. Sometimes with both being given a spot on those weekend Scooby marathons. I also remember the full version with the gang was one that sometimes ran in the 6AM hour.
Richie Rich of course was given his own half hour on CN as well. Including the two seasons he aired with Scooby and the one/two that aired not in connection to Scooby. The poor forgotten addition to that list is Petey the puppy. Who is one WB owns but CN never aired. Which kind of raises a question how CN would have treated him, because some people regard his two seasons in the same way they view New Scooby and Scrappy/New Mysteries. Some count it as two seasons with different names, others as two different shows.
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Post by scoobnick on Jun 15, 2016 22:14:07 GMT -5
well states matt.
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Post by doobert on Jun 16, 2016 18:52:52 GMT -5
It also doesn't help in this case, while there are "official" accounting records not everyone agrees on how they put the dividing lines on the different series. As a result some may be counting The Scooby Doo/Dynomutt Hour as a 1 season show, while others count that season as a part of The Scooby Doo Show. It was typical for Hanna Barbera to take their popular characters across many different shows over the years. Some variations worked better than others, but Saturday Morning was very cut throat to getting things cancelled. Scooby as a franchise was rarely in that much danger but some of his shows ended to make way for the next alteration in the formula. And in a lot of cases even with a lack of "new" Scooby. Scooby reruns were still there as well. Not to mention not every show gets the same kind of orders. A Pup Named Scooby Doo for example had plenty of times to get renewed but in those later seasons the episodes they ordered at a time were very few. In which case some would count by total episodes orders while some would count by number of orders made. Correct, and even popular animated shows that never went through any changes back-then, especially in the seventies and eighties, only lasted two seasons (in the 1960's, and 1970's, they had 16 episode shows, and then if the cartoon got renewed, it's second season would be 8 episodes. In the 1980's it was 13 episode shows), and and were basically rerunned into the ground. All of the Scooby Doo shows from the sixties, seventies, and eighties were largely the same, save for a few exceptions (The Scooby and Scrappy Doo shorts, and the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo for example), they just had name changes, so they could keep making more episodes.
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Post by mattpricetime on Jun 18, 2016 23:12:03 GMT -5
I think the best word in this case to use is "tweaked". As for a lot of these shows, they kept things mostly in the same ballpark but each new incarnation slightly tweaked and altered for the next season. For Scooby it had a lot of little tweaks and a few major changes along the way. Two best things to compare it to can be Super Friends that existed in a form for a long run and also each incarnation made either little tweaks or a big alteration. Or say the Smurfs which never had the divisions but each season continued to alter the cast by expanding it before settling on a rapidly different season for it's last with time travel.
Some of this also comes down to a degree of care in the person talking about. There are some people who are lazily generalizers. Scooby and HB in general are a group that suffers from this a bit (although certainly not the only ones). As when you actually care enough to look into the subject you learn about the differences whether big or small. While others will only gaze at the top see enough that is "similar" and call it a day in the thinking department.
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Post by doobert on Jun 27, 2016 15:01:08 GMT -5
Yeah, most cartoons back then were basically tweaked every season, adding in something new, or running under a slightly different title, for better or for worse.
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Post by Biscuit Mutt on Sept 6, 2016 15:01:34 GMT -5
As others have said, the series just runs out of steam with new writers doing the same things with the same characters. That was the problem the show had come the 1970s and why you saw stuff like Scooby Doo hanging out with Batman and Robin, or Cass Elliott. Later Scrappy Doo if we want to open that can of worms now. The only time I saw Scooby break the mold was Mystery Inc., but even then the storyline arcs don't go on forever, nor should they. Then you run into filler problems. Scooby will always get reboots that fizzle out because you're basically repeating Where Are You from '69.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 6, 2016 15:09:02 GMT -5
well Zombie Island, showed the formula works well in the right hands It all depends on where you want to take it.
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Post by Ark on Sept 10, 2016 2:10:25 GMT -5
well Zombie Island, showed the formula works well in the right hands It all depends on where you want to take it. Zombie Island was one heck of a reboot. They put a lot of money into it, judging by the cast and crew... Not sure the shows have that kind of budget unfortunately. I'd love for the Zombie Island writer to do a series though. That'd be something else.
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Post by Biscuit Mutt on Sept 11, 2016 7:07:03 GMT -5
Zombie Island was only a little more than an hour movie. Could you make something like that movie last for 26 episodes? You'd be rehashing the plot, maybe seeing a new zombie each episode and like the others it would die out. Zombie Island I agree, wasn't bad, but it would be another Where Are You series--with zombies this time.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 11, 2016 17:31:36 GMT -5
i could go for a 26 episode series in a Zombie island like format.
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Post by jcb on Sept 16, 2016 0:10:50 GMT -5
I can honestly say I have no idea why BCSD only got two seasons. They never bored it enough at the same time or day or channel to gain an audience and did;t pick up a third season before ben airing the rest of it (which they still plan to do). You'd think they'd wait and see the reaction to the rest of the show - the best of the show, which is about to start airing again any minute. What off it's a hit? What if the ratings are good? I have no idea what went into the decision making on BCSD being only two seasons, but it wasn't facts and it wasn't based on any useful information.
I'll be interested in seeing what happens when season 2 airs and if it gets the critical and audience reaction I hoping for.
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Post by Grumpydrawer on Sept 16, 2016 5:45:26 GMT -5
i could go for a 26 episode series in a Zombie island like format. I could see that working, bar the budget Zombie Island had. Just look at Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost and Alien Invaders. Those were not done on a low budget and they're only just over an hour long. I doubt anyone at WB/HB would be willing to spend the amount it would take to make a whole series (even if the episode were only 22ish minutes long) of that format/quality. Purely for logical finnancial reasons. But we can dream... Unless you just meant format in terms of there being a real monster. In which case I am an idiot who misread your posts.
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Post by russm on Sept 16, 2016 7:01:35 GMT -5
I can honestly say I have no idea why BCSD only got two seasons. They never bored it enough at the same time or day or channel to gain an audience and did;t pick up a third season before ben airing the rest of it (which they still plan to do). You'd think they'd wait and see the reaction to the rest of the show - the best of the show, which is about to start airing again any minute. What off it's a hit? What if the ratings are good? I have no idea what went into the decision making on BCSD being only two seasons, but it wasn't facts and it wasn't based on any useful information. I'll be interested in seeing what happens when season 2 airs and if it gets the critical and audience reaction I hoping for. The evidence suggests they're idiots. Perhaps if it had been called Be Cool Titans Go or Adventure Doo then it might have run for eternity.
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