SammyTheShrimp
Black Knight
Confirming that "Trick or Treat" is the best Scooby Movie from after 2010
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Post by SammyTheShrimp on Jan 11, 2023 16:32:09 GMT -5
The vibe I'm getting is actually between Be Cool and Mystery Inc., in terms of the animation/vibe. I feel like some of the dialogue/jokes will be a tad cringe in the actual episodes, but overall it appears to be much more solid than I was expecting. Here's to cautious optimism! (Side note: I have mixed feelings about Shaggy. I respect that he's actually appearing to participate in the mystery solving process, but it seems like his personality is totally different)
Edit: after watching the first two episodes, cautious optimism has failed me. Review.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Jan 11, 2023 20:01:59 GMT -5
(Side note: I have mixed feelings about Shaggy. I respect that he's actually appearing to participate in the mystery solving process, but it seems like his personality is totally different) I'm disappointed in his character design. It looks like they just put a random black guy in a green shirt instead of trying to figure out what a black Shaggy would be like
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Post by Ark on Jan 11, 2023 20:10:05 GMT -5
The Scooby franchise went strong for half a century. I'm beginning to realize that I should just be grateful for the great run and anything afterward is potentially the reason Calvin & Hobbes was deliberately ended early before it died a slow death. Frank Welker is the only original surviving voice actor at this point and I really had my expectations way too high for future shows. The coronavirus economic bubble is affecting everything from streaming services to Dungeons & Dragons, everyone having had more money and time than normal and companies incorrectly expected that to last onward. Now, we see all these desperate mergers such as WB/Discovery and Hasbro/WotC... these companies are hurting badly and their projections were all surprisingly far from the mark.
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Post by wileyk209 on Jan 11, 2023 23:26:19 GMT -5
Seeing that trailer, this show is pretty much "Scooby-Doo Adult Party Cartoon," albeit without Scooby himself. I understand they want a gritty adult reboot/alternate universe take on Mystery Inc. after the success of "Harley Quinn", but they still could've done it better. The exterior of Crystal Cove High reminds me quite a bit of my high school. And as for the drug and sexual references involving high school teenagers, let me tell you it WAS indeed like that when I was in high school, albeit verbally. (Lots of NC-17 dialogue there.) And as for people complaining about the gang being high schoolers here, I guess they forgot in the original shows the gang WAS high-school aged. Velma was indeed fifteen years old, Daphne was sixteen, and Fred and Shaggy were both seventeen. And "Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated" also had them be high schoolers. (And that was also a better attempt at a very dark, edgy and violent Scooby-Doo show, despite it being rated TV-Y7-FV when it's definitely not suitable for little kids; it's meant more for older children, as well as teens and adults.)
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SammyTheShrimp
Black Knight
Confirming that "Trick or Treat" is the best Scooby Movie from after 2010
Posts: 14
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Post by SammyTheShrimp on Jan 12, 2023 0:13:28 GMT -5
The exterior of Crystal Cove High reminds me quite a bit of my high school. And as for the drug and sexual references involving high school teenagers, let me tell you it WAS indeed like that when I was in high school, albeit verbally... And "Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated" also had them be high schoolers. (And that was also a better attempt at a very dark, edgy and violent Scooby-Doo show, despite it being rated TV-Y7-FV when it's definitely not suitable for little kids; it's meant more for older children, as well as teens and adults.) One point I've heard made about MI is that it portrayed high school kids in a more realistic light than the og shows, which heavily leaned into the childish image of how "cool and independent" teens are, by making relationships with each other and their parents messy. I think the same can be said for this iteration, although this might be too harsh of an over-correction. Fred in particular seems like he's going to just straight up be a bad person instead of an understandably flawed one, which kinda sucks. I assume he'll change some over the course of the show, but still...
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Post by dizagaox on Jan 13, 2023 13:13:26 GMT -5
(Side note: I have mixed feelings about Shaggy. I respect that he's actually appearing to participate in the mystery solving process, but it seems like his personality is totally different) I'm disappointed in his character design. It looks like they just put a random black guy in a green shirt instead of trying to figure out what a black Shaggy would be like I have no problem with his look or voice (and don’t care that he’s black) but his personality is not Shaggy.
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Post by Ark on Jan 14, 2023 18:48:38 GMT -5
I finally feel comfortable enough to post my initial reactions to the announcement of the show, put together in the below image. I made this last year but felt like everyone would just be angry with me at the time. You are free to disagree; I'm just glad that the social climate has cooled off enough to discuss this openly. I had a bigger problem with the look itself more than anything. I firmly believe that Discovery Bros. could give us way better Scooby releases if we are careful to vote with our wallets and views. Think of what we could have instead of this. There is no need to protect something you genuinely don't like, even if it has the Scooby-Doo name slapped on it. Backing this show, giving it views, giving it good ratings, just for the sake of the franchise will only encourage more of this. The Scooby-Doo! franchise is not going away if we speak out against this, in fact, that's probably what will save it.
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Post by scoobylover on Jan 15, 2023 20:38:56 GMT -5
I finally feel comfortable enough to post my initial reactions to the announcement of the show, put together in the below image. I made this last year but felt like everyone would just be angry with me at the time. You are free to disagree; I'm just glad that the social climate has cooled off enough to discuss this openly. I had a bigger problem with the look itself more than anything. I firmly believe that Discovery Bros. could give us way better Scooby releases if we are careful to vote with our wallets and views. Think of what we could have instead of this. There is no need to protect something you genuinely don't like, even if it has the Scooby-Doo name slapped on it. Backing this show, giving it views, giving it good ratings, just for the sake of the franchise will only encourage more of this. The Scooby-Doo! franchise is not going away if we speak out against this, in fact, that's probably what will save it.
No thanks, respect the fans that do want to watch it and love the show like I do. Also Velma Daily reported a second season is already registered with 11 episodes. Might already be in post production and they were all done at once but they split it into two seasons.
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Post by Doo on Jan 16, 2023 11:45:09 GMT -5
I definitely agree that nobody should be forced to like something just because it's connected to a franchise. However, nobody said the Scooby franchise is going away in the first place, though. It seems like they're going more towards a kid-centric show with Mystery Pups, so I don't think this show is going to irreparably change the direction of the franchise to raunchy and adult-centered.
I also respectfully disagree with some of your critiques that aren't specific to this show, like the pointing out of "released on a physical format in HD" and "stylized disc menu with extensive bonus features pulled from LaserDisc." DVD releases are going downhill in general because of the rise of streaming, and it's also not realistic to expect a show to be released on DVD less than a week after it premieres. The critique about HBO Max not being available to the majority of the world is also an issue that's increasingly happening with a lot of shows due to the rise of streaming, so that's also not really specific to this show. With this show, from what I've heard, it's already airing in Australia and there are plans to air it on TV in other countries, so thankfully that issue has been remedied.
I think it's absolutely logical not to like the show for whatever reason - whether that be dislike of the designs, not wanting political stuff in Scooby, etc. It's your right to dislike the show for whatever reason you want, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to be enraged by this show just because you hate it. I think my main disagreement with your thoughts is that it seems like you're coming up with every reason possible to hate the show, even stuff that doesn't make sense like the fact that it's not released physically in HD and being released on HBO Max. I didn't like the show either based off their first two episodes, but there's a difference between not liking something and actively looking for reasons to hate it. That being said, I respect your opinion and to each their own.
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Post by Ark on Jan 17, 2023 0:34:23 GMT -5
I know for a fact that many Scooby fans still value physical releases. Doo, your own work on your excellent, "How To Have A Complete Scooby Collection" list focuses mainly on physical releases, with streaming options added just recently. Yes, I'm comparing a boutique Blu-ray company with Discovery Bros which may be unfair, and yet, they're a huge publisher with Scooby fans ready to rocket money to them for something like a Zombie Island release on Blu-ray. Velma will be lucky if it even gets a DVD release with a black and white menu. This is a critique of various aspects of the company at once. Velma is a symptom of a much larger problem at hand, that is-- media companies suffering major fallout from the coronavirus bubble explosion, desperately merging with other companies to stay afloat, axing future projects for tax cuts, and looking for ways to get rich quick rather than continue working at maintaining the quality of the brand. Discovery Bros could easily be doing very nice Kickstarters for physical Scooby media and other collector's items, not even having to send these products to places like Walmart or Amazon. The fact that they wasted who knows how much money on Velma and yet haven't even put up The New Scooby Doo Mysteries anywhere where it can be outright purchased, even digitally, is just pitiful in my opinion. I know they have bottomlines and debt, but they should be looking at the future reputation of the brand, not alt-right shock-factor jokes to ride on for a few months' profit. Ted Turner understood this (that's right, Discovery Bros reps reading this) and put great effort into the programming blocks, bumpers, VHS tapes, and early DVDs. Everything had a purpose. A Scooby marathon meant something back then. People wanted physical media because you knew you were getting something worth rewatching. Now in the digital age, I understand than many don't even have disc players anymore, but that doesn't mean the quality of the new shows and the advertising of them must drop in quality and literally ridicule the very fans who keep this franchise afloat. A show trailer's job is to convince an audience to want to watch a show and in this regard, Velma started off horribly before it even officially began. This something Ted Turner would have never allowed. The current Discovery Bros executives should not get so arrogant as to forget that misunderstanding the internet and making one bad merger is how Ted Turner lost it all and they could as well if the internet takes any sudden turn. Resorting to Velma this early on reeks of despiration. Television is dying. Many kids would rather watch Roblox play-thoughs than a Scooby-Doo cartoon anymore. No matter how edgy Discovery Bros gets, it's going to be harder and harder to compete into the future without exceptional brand quality. The slow and steady tortoise won the race. Episodes made over 50 years ago still likely get more daily views than anything newer, due in large part to excellent branding of the past. Step it up.
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Post by Ark on Jan 17, 2023 22:24:11 GMT -5
Velma currently sits at 1.3 on IMDB. I've never seen anything this low on there... ever.
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Post by Dyland on Jan 18, 2023 11:36:14 GMT -5
If you hate the show, it's hilarious. If you love the show, it's heartbreaking.
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Post by Doo on Jan 23, 2023 20:30:25 GMT -5
Some early concept of the show was shared. I like this a lot better than the animation we ended up getting.
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Post by Ark on Jan 23, 2023 21:59:03 GMT -5
It's clear that their animators took that style and really simplified it. Now, don't get me wrong... Hanna Barbera did that to Takamoto's designs back in the day too but they had way less resources and still at least tried to maintain his ideas in moving picture. This current team is just slapping shapes into Toomboom and moving them around. It was okay for Be Cool because the writing made up for it, plus it was supposed to have sort of a Family Guy look as it connected to the plot, but it is unacceptable for this. We wanted at least at Harley Quinn look in character designs-- we know that they're capable of more. I really, really think this may have been a publicity stunt as time passes on. Even NPR is talking about the Scooby-Doo franchise and that has to be some kind of record. I can't find anything since 2004 from them about the Scooby franchise. www.npr.org/2023/01/18/1149855919/why-hbo-maxs-velma-is-considered-by-some-to-be-most-hated-show-on-tv
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Post by Ark on Jan 23, 2023 22:05:53 GMT -5
And I will give Harley Quinn credit where credit is due. The first and second seasons are on Blu-Ray. My jaw nearly hit the floor. I hope this means Warner hasn't given up on physical media just yet.
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