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Post by scoobylover on May 25, 2022 3:40:25 GMT -5
I can actually see where Family Guy making fun of something, for instance the Wachowski's, is actually to bring awareness and acceptance for an issue, through means of double-satire. The takeaway being more important than the actual words said in those cases. I don't have have HBO Now and really don't have an interest in modern adult shows. That's really what it comes down to for me. If I want edgy animation, I watch '80s anime. Family Guy derivatives just don't do much for me. Warner believed Velma would have a big enough audience to be profitable and I wish them well in their endeavors. My only concern is what is left for kids aged 7-17 to watch. It feels divisive to me and I genuinely hope that doesn't prove to be the case. Watching Family Guy and Simpsons as a kid is pretty standard where I live from. Don’t just throw around the indicative age just because you’re bitter. Also, there’s 52 years worth of Scooby-Doo, go and rewatch that if you’re so sad. I, on the other hand, will be excited at whatever they throw my way 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by russm on May 25, 2022 14:51:58 GMT -5
...Don’t just throw around the indicative age just because you’re bitter. Also, there’s 52 years worth of Scooby-Doo, go and rewatch that if you’re so sad... That's rather uncalled for.
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Post by scoobylover on May 25, 2022 14:56:03 GMT -5
...Don’t just throw around the indicative age just because you’re bitter. Also, there’s 52 years worth of Scooby-Doo, go and rewatch that if you’re so sad... That's rather uncalled for. So are your complaints everytime someone tries tp be positive but it’s a free world so I just replied kindly with my own thoughts
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Post by Sophia Peletier on May 25, 2022 15:10:11 GMT -5
You can’t tell me you aren’t racist if you criticize this new version of Velma. Or if you start your sentence with “I really don’t care about them changing Velma’s race..”. This easily shows your internalized racial issues because if you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place. Idk how many comments I’ve seen like that. And the thing is, you should care that she is south east asian, you should praise it and look forward towards the inclusivity of such characterization. But whatever I guess yall just gonna be even more pissed now ...And this shows YOU being narrow minded and assuming you know what the colored community wants. Honey, I can assure you that for a lot of people it isn't "internalized racism" as you so boldly claim and that the problem isn't with Velma being a POC. The problem lies with changing an established white woman into a person a color for brownie points rather than coming up with a new, iconic character that is a POC and stands on her own rather than just being a white woman turned POC. As a POC myself who grew up in a very diverse city with other POC, I can assure you we aren't a "collective hive mind" when it comes to these issues. Do we want representation? YES! Do we agree on how it should be done? NO. There are always going to be conflicting views when it comes to this subject, but for many of us in the minority community I can tell you right now that we don't want a white woman being turned into a colored person for easy "diversity points" when we could have had a new character instead joining the cast as co-lead with Velma and much better representation for us. (And yes, of course there are always going to be straight-up racists that don't want ANY diversity and hate this Velma because of that, but that is another issue entirely.)
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Post by russm on May 25, 2022 16:17:56 GMT -5
That's rather uncalled for. So are your complaints everytime someone tries tp be positive but it’s a free world so I just replied kindly with my own thoughts Opinions are one thing, ad hominems are another.
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Post by scoobylover on May 26, 2022 4:00:03 GMT -5
You can’t tell me you aren’t racist if you criticize this new version of Velma. Or if you start your sentence with “I really don’t care about them changing Velma’s race..”. This easily shows your internalized racial issues because if you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place. Idk how many comments I’ve seen like that. And the thing is, you should care that she is south east asian, you should praise it and look forward towards the inclusivity of such characterization. But whatever I guess yall just gonna be even more pissed now ...And this shows YOU being narrow minded and assuming you know what the colored community wants. Honey, I can assure you that for a lot of people it isn't "internalized racism" as you so boldly claim and that the problem isn't with Velma being a POC. The problem lies with changing an established white woman into a person a color for brownie points rather than coming up with a new, iconic character that is a POC and stands on her own rather than just being a white woman turned POC. As a POC myself who grew up in a very diverse city with other POC, I can assure you we aren't a "collective hive mind" when it comes to these issues. Do we want representation? YES! Do we agree on how it should be done? NO. There are always going to be conflicting views when it comes to this subject, but for many of us in the minority community I can tell you right now that we don't want a white woman being turned into a colored person for easy "diversity points" when we could have had a new character instead joining the cast as co-lead with Velma and much better representation for us. (And yes, of course there are always going to be straight-up racists that don't want ANY diversity and hate this Velma because of that, but that is another issue entirely.) Exactly, you do not represent the poc community and neither do I. So what’s your point? First you say I don’t represent the poc community then you go alead speaking on behalf of “many of us”, just as problematic if I do say so myself 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Anyways, being a sociology and media student, having written one whole ass dissertation and part of my university thesis around the idea of retconning characters and its social implications I am confident to say I know a thing or two, and am fully aware that your argument is fully valid just as much as mine (which wasnmt supposed to be a “I know pocs better than them so I know what they want” but rather is one of the MANY trends of reactions seen online. And when I say many I mean a huge range of it! So yeah you keep your mindset, I keep mine and I’m pretty sure we have the best interest of the poc community in mind
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Post by elemage on May 30, 2022 1:41:28 GMT -5
I love the fact that they made Velma South Asian. ...That's pretty much the only thing I love about this show. As someone who tried but failed to get into both The Office AND The Mindy Project, I know Mindy Kaling's writing style just isn't for me. And the fact that they made Shaggy into the "black stoner" stereotype really doesn't sit with me. I just really don't care about this show on so many levels, and none of them have to do with the character now being brown.
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Post by elemage on May 30, 2022 1:52:26 GMT -5
Hayley Kiyoko as Velma wasn't an issue at all. I don't think ethnicity is the problem here. Freddie Prinze Jr. and Gina Rodriguez are Puerto Rican. Hayley Kiyoko is Japanese. Sarah Jeffery is half-Black. I don't remember any of their castings being an issue. Well, except Gina Rodriguez, but that was a mixture of the voice cast getting the boot as well as the fact that she's not particularly well-liked for whatever reason. I'm sure there's actual, legitimate racists complaining about Velma being racebent. But they can be ignored, because they're most likely a minority of the people with actual concerns about this series.
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Post by vakanai on Jun 29, 2022 3:44:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Honestly I don't really care one way or the other about the race change, but the tone just from the, uh, head sliced open pic is a bit more gory than I was expecting. Also the art style kind of reminds me of Be Cool Scooby Doo, and I'm just not a fan of that style. But, I'm still willing to give it a try. Hopefully it'll be a fun ride like Harley Quinn at least.
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Post by vakanai on Jun 29, 2022 3:47:44 GMT -5
You can’t tell me you aren’t racist if you criticize this new version of Velma. Or if you start your sentence with “I really don’t care about them changing Velma’s race..”. This easily shows your internalized racial issues because if you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place. Idk how many comments I’ve seen like that. And the thing is, you should care that she is south east asian, you should praise it and look forward towards the inclusivity of such characterization. But whatever I guess yall just gonna be even more pissed now But I honestly don't care - and I don't think not caring is a bad thing either. Like, why does everything need to be a love it or hate it thing? Like, compared to the whole head hole thing, the rest just doesn't leave an impact on me.
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Post by Ark on Jun 29, 2022 22:03:55 GMT -5
Okay, so I've finally made sense of the age demographics. Cartoon Network's main programming block is reportedly targeted for ages 6-12. Mystery Pups is part of a new preschool programming block targeted for ages 2-6 and Velma is for the adult HBO MAX app. What I was noticing was not purely conjecture and it does seem to be a deliberate move. I suppose they consider the main block to already have enough Scooby-Doo content, so they're attempting to branch out. It's all part of the Cartoonito/HBO MAX trial run. Velma was not made for even Adult Swim, so we can safely assume that it's not targeting anyone under the age of 18. Kids may end up seeing it, but they're absolutely not the target audience. HBO MAX isn't government-regulated like Cartoon Network is since it's streaming, which is another reason for going that route.
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Post by Ark on Jul 2, 2022 21:14:02 GMT -5
Even bigger news: The CW is 100 million in debt and being given away for free. I had no idea they'd been hit so hard. There may be a lot more financial hardship than we know about factoring into these new shows and time blocks. insidethemagic.net/2022/06/cw-dc-zero-dollars-al1/
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Post by Dyland on Jul 3, 2022 20:44:19 GMT -5
Not a big fan of this. I feel social issues are far too often used (these days) as a crutch to umbrella all criticism as hateful and ignore/censor it. As an artist myself, constructive criticism is perhaps the single most driving force for me to improve & better myself and my projects. But so called "fans" often can go to far, especially on social media. So I understand the racism concerns. But it's unfair to associate anyone who dislikes the show/these decisions as racist.
Despite that, though, my two biggest gripes are as follows:
1. I'm not a fan of the Harley Quinn series, as some have compared this to. And animated properties like Family Guy have never been my particular cup of tea. If it finds a foothold and secures a passionate audience; great. But otherwise, it feels like a watering down of the brand and an unnecessary flirting with confusing audiences. Many people don't read/pay attention to ratings (and many streaming services make them harder to find) so inevitably kids are going to watch this unawares. Unfortunate, but true. Never been a fan of that. Wish Hollywood wouldn't make age-segregated content with legacy properties; at least not to this frequency. Entertainment used to try and appeal to all, and now it seems like milking individual age groups separately is just easier and more financially lucrative...
And 2. The release said: "Velma tells the origin story of Velma Dinkley, the unsung and underappreciated brains of the Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc. gang." That's probably the only 'triggering' part of the announcement for me. Velma is a well respected and appreciated character - both in-universe and by the fans! Kinda sad that the whole basis for the show is building up a character that's already beloved by many fans; and has been for 50+ years. I've always thought Velma was integral to the Scooby gang; and they'd be totally lost without her!
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Post by scoobylover on Jul 4, 2022 15:53:18 GMT -5
Not a big fan of this. I feel social issues are far too often used (these days) as a crutch to umbrella all criticism as hateful and ignore/censor it. As an artist myself, constructive criticism is perhaps the single most driving force for me to improve & better myself and my projects. But so called "fans" often can go to far, especially on social media. So I understand the racism concerns. But it's unfair to associate anyone who dislikes the show/these decisions as racist. But otherwise, it feels like a watering down of the brand and an unnecessary flirting with confusing audiences. Many people don't read/pay attention to ratings (and many streaming services make them harder to find) so inevitably kids are going to watch this unawares. Unfortunate, but true. Never been a fan of that. Wish Hollywood wouldn't make age-segregated content with legacy properties; at least not to this frequency. Entertainment used to try and appeal to all, and now it seems like milking individual age groups separately is just easier and more financially lucrative... Trust me, institutionalized racism is so embedded in people's brain, the majority don't even know their judgment is being influenced by something so deeply rooted in failed social systems. So yeah you really cannot speak on behalf of who comments on social media cuz the insane amount of people saying "I'm not racist... but" is very concerning and you can't deny that on any ground. Also, age-specific content can be very good as it provides a limited target audience and a more channeled creative input, allowing the story to grow and evolve within new limits that could not be explored before. Let's not forget that Scooby-Doo was never targeted to adults but to youngsters and adults did tune in and found it funny sometimes, but not all iterations, Exactly like it will happen with Velma now, kids WILL be watching this show and a lot of them will have feelings towards it as it should be. Other than parental control which, who has nowadays?, there is no way a kid couldnt get around to watch it if they wanted to, even illegaly and that's the beauty of it all. Other than putting ratings and making the show parental control-regulated on streaming services, WB doesnt need to do anything else and all they care about is streams. So please, let kids watch indeed. As a kid, in my country, Family Guy and Simpsons were like the must watch after school moments. YES, they aired them right after school during lunch time cuz they knew all kids would be watching and enjoying them. Not all kids are sensitive and naive, please, let's be serious for a moment and not believe in the tooth fairy, smh.
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Post by russm on Jul 5, 2022 14:00:49 GMT -5
Ah I see we're taking another boat trip round the 'anyone who dislikes this show is racist' lighthouse.
Anyway, thinking about the premise of the show, an origin story for Velma, well, we already do have one in canon, albeit a very short one.
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