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Post by dizagaox on May 18, 2022 11:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by Doo on May 18, 2022 12:42:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I'm sure the image of someone with their head cut open and the naked girl will probably lead to more controversy, unfortunately, though I'm still open-minded about the series and looking forward to seeing how it is.
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Post by russm on May 18, 2022 14:11:49 GMT -5
Conside me untriggered, looks good. I do have reservations but they're nothing to do with her being South Asian.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on May 19, 2022 3:39:40 GMT -5
Personally, I think they should have made this version of Velma just be her cousin.
My problem is they are revamping characters who had the same characteristic traits since the late 1960's.
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Post by Doo on May 19, 2022 11:02:00 GMT -5
Mindy has posted a couple of tweets this morning in response to the backlash that yesterday's "first look" caused:
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Post by russm on May 19, 2022 11:02:22 GMT -5
...She added that the social media debate encouraged her to “be careful” when taking on the beloved character... To be fair, that's more than WB have been with a couple of their takes on the characters. |
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Post by dizagaox on May 19, 2022 19:04:02 GMT -5
People doubting this for legitimate reasons should look at the Harley Quinn show. Whilst I doubt this is as R-rated, I think it has people that’ll keep some of the charm of the franchise in it.
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Post by russm on May 20, 2022 8:00:47 GMT -5
People doubting this for legitimate reasons should look at the Harley Quinn show. Whilst I doubt this is as R-rated, I think it has people that’ll keep some of the charm of the franchise in it. "...some of the charm..." which doesn't really mean much as until people get eyes on an episode we don't know which bits they've deemed to keep. But Harley had had a huge range of roles over the years, from comedy villain side-kick, recovering abusive relationship victim all the way through to comedy hero paring with Power Girl, and that's before the HQ show was even penned. Whatever happened in the HQ show could have fitted into any one of her past incarnations, i.e. she's still Harley (and to blow that particular dog-whistle, she's still the same colour). But with Velma & Co, there's a lot less variability, and where there is that hasn't always been well received by the fandom. Plus just because one group as done it ok, doesn't mean this one will. It's a bit like climbing, for safety you move one thing at a time, the concern is that they are moving so many things that what we'll get is a series of flailing limbs followed by a splat as it ends after one season. The fandom gets another failed attempt to expand the franchise while the 'it failed because it's woke' crowd will put another notch in their belt irrespective of the reasons for its failure. It would be good if they release more, I recall all the pre-release Scooby Apocalypse, artwork, outlines, histories... all in enought time that you knew what you were getting into when issue #1 dropped. As here, less secrecy would really help, tell us more and show more. As always, I am so ready to be proved wrong with this show and for it to be both a commercial success but also a meaningful addition to the franchise. |
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Post by dizagaox on May 20, 2022 22:01:33 GMT -5
I think we’ll get trailers and more closer to the release. It’s still undated and probably a late 2022 or early 2023 release. Velma’s also had just as many incarnations as Harley Quinn, and whilst she’s not had as many personalities, she’s been different in many of them.
Nothing from the leaked scripts and sides to what we’ve actually seen suggests it’s radically changing her characterisation.
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Post by scoobylover on May 24, 2022 7:33:51 GMT -5
You can’t tell me you aren’t racist if you criticize this new version of Velma. Or if you start your sentence with “I really don’t care about them changing Velma’s race..”. This easily shows your internalized racial issues because if you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place. Idk how many comments I’ve seen like that. And the thing is, you should care that she is south east asian, you should praise it and look forward towards the inclusivity of such characterization. But whatever I guess yall just gonna be even more pissed now
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Post by Ark on May 24, 2022 15:10:46 GMT -5
Hayley Kiyoko as Velma wasn't an issue at all. I don't think ethnicity is the problem here.
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Post by Doo on May 24, 2022 16:01:04 GMT -5
You can’t tell me you aren’t racist if you criticize this new version of Velma. Or if you start your sentence with “I really don’t care about them changing Velma’s race..”. This easily shows your internalized racial issues because if you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place. Idk how many comments I’ve seen like that. And the thing is, you should care that she is south east asian, you should praise it and look forward towards the inclusivity of such characterization. But whatever I guess yall just gonna be even more pissed now As somebody who's looking forward to the show, while I have seen a lot of racism playing into people's backlash against the show, I think there are some people who are concerned about the gore as well. Personally, I'm not; we don't have the context of the scene for the first look image they revealed so there's no reason to make a snap judgment when we know little about the show. I think it's worth pointing out there's a difference between skepticism and criticism/refusal to give it a chance, as long as you're not just skeptical because Velma's race has been changed. I think it's understandable that people might be a bit skeptical about the series being too gory, even if I personally have no issue with it. I'm personally not a fan of Family Guy due to the offensive nature of some of the jokes (i.e. there have been many homophobic and transphobic jokes in that show), so that's my only worry about the show, but it's not a serious issue and I definitely plan to watch every single episode and go in with an open mind. I do think it crosses a line though if you are actively criticizing the show before it even comes out, since we don't know anything about the show and therefore can't judge how it will be yet. I absolutely get what you're saying here, but I think to say everybody who's even slightly skeptical about the show is racist is a bit far. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, though. |
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Post by Doo on May 24, 2022 16:03:25 GMT -5
Hayley Kiyoko as Velma wasn't an issue at all. I don't think ethnicity is the problem here. It also was never acknowledged in the film that Hayley's Velma was Asian. It seems the problem for some of the people who have already might be that they are making a point of mentioning Velma's race and working cultural themes into the series, which is unfortunate. |
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Post by scoobylover on May 24, 2022 17:00:33 GMT -5
You can’t tell me you aren’t racist if you criticize this new version of Velma. Or if you start your sentence with “I really don’t care about them changing Velma’s race..”. This easily shows your internalized racial issues because if you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place. Idk how many comments I’ve seen like that. And the thing is, you should care that she is south east asian, you should praise it and look forward towards the inclusivity of such characterization. But whatever I guess yall just gonna be even more pissed now As somebody who's looking forward to the show, while I have seen a lot of racism playing into people's backlash against the show, I think there are some people who are concerned about the gore as well. Personally, I'm not; we don't have the context of the scene for the first look image they revealed so there's no reason to make a snap judgment when we know little about the show. I think it's worth pointing out there's a difference between skepticism and criticism/refusal to give it a chance, as long as you're not just skeptical because Velma's race has been changed. I think it's understandable that people might be a bit skeptical about the series being too gory, even if I personally have no issue with it. I'm personally not a fan of Family Guy due to the offensive nature of some of the jokes (i.e. there have been many homophobic and transphobic jokes in that show), so that's my only worry about the show, but it's not a serious issue and I definitely plan to watch every single episode and go in with an open mind. I do think it crosses a line though if you are actively criticizing the show before it even comes out, since we don't know anything about the show and therefore can't judge how it will be yet. I absolutely get what you're saying here, but I think to say everybody who's even slightly skeptical about the show is racist is a bit far. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, though. Oh I am 100% sure this is not going to be THAT kind of adult animation. Family Guy and American Dad are purely satirical comedies and that’s why I love its political incorrectness, and their homophobic jokes even if I’m queer. Its the way you grasp their social commentary and to not take it too serious. Audiences know, otherwise it would have already been canceled for social media outrages after one millisecond of an episode. It’s the way we are able to suspend our disbelief for a movie or a series based on its genre. And that is why people are freaking out, they just cannot comprehend the change of genre and they do not know what to make out of a “adult animated comedy” show. So many people around social media love to say “adult animation doesn’t mean gore and nudity”… you’re right, it doesn’t. But it does as well at the same time. And whether there is gore or there isn’t, that will not change what truly matters, which is plot, characterization, soul of the show. Yes, I love gore and yes, I love nudity and cussing and raw comedy, so I will probably enjoy more than others, but it is just so unfair to criticize for some random image and some basic plot details online. |
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Post by Ark on May 24, 2022 17:35:14 GMT -5
I can actually see where Family Guy making fun of something, for instance the Wachowski's, is actually to bring awareness and acceptance for an issue, through means of double-satire. The takeaway being more important than the actual words said in those cases.  I don't have have HBO Now and really don't have an interest in modern adult shows. That's really what it comes down to for me. If I want edgy animation, I watch '80s anime. Family Guy derivatives just don't do much for me. Warner believed Velma would have a big enough audience to be profitable and I wish them well in their endeavors. My only concern is what is left for kids aged 7-17 to watch. It feels divisive to me and I genuinely hope that doesn't prove to be the case. |
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