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Post by scoobypediapossible on Jan 1, 2016 2:13:18 GMT -5
not every show has a theme song. and i'm fine with them not having one for be cool. get a clue would have benefited from not having a theme song. Oh, so that's the problem with Get a Clue? The theme song?
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Post by Grumpydrawer on Jan 1, 2016 9:39:35 GMT -5
Lyrics would have made it better, but I guess they did what they were able to do. We never think of the limitations they have. It must be frustrating for them! Sounds to me like Warner Bros wasn't willing to put as much effort into this series as they could have done. I mean really they're allowed only 20 seconds, cartoon theme songs used to be around a minute at the most in the past! Then again I suppose the theme song would be a minor focus, the content is after all more important. Thanks JCB for giving an answer though, seems like quite the nice guy. And thanks on your part for asking him! Then again I suppose from a buisness point of view Warner Bros doesn't need Scooby Doo too much in a way. They do after all own DC, which is quite the cash cow in itself, amoungst many other properties. And I imagine the yearly straight to DVD releases and what merchandise there is doesn't quite make the amount worth investing more money in so to speak. Then again they did just bring out Scooby Lego so maybe Warner Bros is more focused on other branches of the franchise for now instead of the main series, which would make sense considering the response of many people to Be Cool. Though I do hope Be Cool gets at least a second season, it's not that bad when you look past the art style (and even then it's mostly the gang's design I have problems with). Too bad people judged it without even watching one episode...
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Jan 1, 2016 11:11:37 GMT -5
It is a shame that people won't give it a chance just because they don't like the animation. It's their loss!
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Post by scoobypediapossible on Jan 1, 2016 11:50:34 GMT -5
We never think of the limitations they have. It must be frustrating for them! Good point.
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Post by jcb on Jan 1, 2016 12:47:03 GMT -5
Lyrics would have made it better, but I guess they did what they were able to do. We never think of the limitations they have. It must be frustrating for them! Yeah, all I will say is that the theme song was not my choice.
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Post by Grumpydrawer on Jan 1, 2016 20:47:11 GMT -5
Yeah, all I will say is that the theme song was not my choice. Well at least the theme song is only a minor part of the show, so it's isn't a big negative. Still seems odd to me someone set such a time short limit on it though, how can they think people can do anything within such a short time limit is beyond me. Then again I don't make cartoons so I wouldn't be the best to comment on their decision. Oh yeah Doo said you may have been the guy behind the vending machine bit of the first episode. If so thanks for that bit, it gave me the best laugh I've got from a modern Scooby Doo thing in a long while.
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Post by jcb on Jan 1, 2016 21:43:10 GMT -5
Yeah, all I will say is that the theme song was not my choice. Well at least the theme song is only a minor part of the show, so it's isn't a big negative. Still seems odd to me someone set such a time short limit on it though, how can they think people can do anything within such a short time limit is beyond me. Then again I don't make cartoons so I wouldn't be the best to comment on their decision. Oh yeah Doo said you may have been the guy behind the vending machine bit of the first episode. If so thanks for that bit, it gave me the best laugh I've got from a modern Scooby Doo thing in a long while. Thanks, Grump, I appreciate it. Yes, I actually came up with that vending machine scene on the fly in an early meeting. Zac and I were trying to explain to WB our take on the comedy and they asked how we might handle new, fresh Scooby and Shaggy "food" comedy and I got up in the large conference room and literally acted out that entire scene pretty much exactly as it appears on the screen off the top of my head. The board guys did a great job translating it and animating it. I'm glad you liked it!
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Post by Grumpydrawer on Jan 2, 2016 14:26:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Grump, I appreciate it. Yes, I actually came up with that vending machine scene on the fly in an early meeting. Zac and I were trying to explain to WB our take on the comedy and they asked how we might handle new, fresh Scooby and Shaggy "food" comedy and I got up in the large conference room and literally acted out that entire scene pretty much exactly as it appears on the screen off the top of my head. The board guys did a great job translating it and animating it. I'm glad you liked it! Hey you're welcome. I'm just glad to see a focus on comedy. Scooby Doo is both horror (to an extent) and comedy, so it's nice to see a bit more of the later after SDMI lacked in the comedic department a bit. A nice bit of variety in a franchise's shows never hurts. "Scooby and Shaggy food comedy." Now that you mentioned that food is quite the big part of their character, which admittedly I've never thought much about before since I've got so used to it over the years. But now that I think about it that's one of their defining characteristics now I look back on the many Scooby Doo shows and movies. It's as much a part of their characters as they are part of each others characters if that makes sense, since you know Scooby and Shaggy wouldn't be half as amusing without the other half. Interesting to think about...
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Post by jcb on Jan 2, 2016 15:08:09 GMT -5
Thanks, Grump, I appreciate it. Yes, I actually came up with that vending machine scene on the fly in an early meeting. Zac and I were trying to explain to WB our take on the comedy and they asked how we might handle new, fresh Scooby and Shaggy "food" comedy and I got up in the large conference room and literally acted out that entire scene pretty much exactly as it appears on the screen off the top of my head. The board guys did a great job translating it and animating it. I'm glad you liked it! Hey you're welcome. I'm just glad to see a focus on comedy. Scooby Doo is both horror (to an extent) and comedy, so it's nice to see a bit more of the later after SDMI lacked in the comedic department a bit. A nice bit of variety in a franchise's shows never hurts. "Scooby and Shaggy food comedy." Now that you mentioned that food is quite the big part of their character, which admittedly I've never thought much about before since I've got so used to it over the years. But now that I think about it that's one of their defining characteristics now I look back on the many Scooby Doo shows and movies. It's as much a part of their characters as they are part of each others characters if that makes sense, since you know Scooby and Shaggy wouldn't be half as amusing without the other half. Interesting to think about... Yes, until I had to write for these characters, I hadn't thought too much about them. The first thing that occurred to me about Shaggy and Scooby is you have two main characters (the two most beloved up to this point) that DON'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR STORY! That's tricky, from a writer's point of view, knowing Shaggy and Scooby really want nothing to do with mysteries and ghosts and monsters. I can understand why they introduced Scooby Snacks, but never felt comfortable with what they symbolize (we deal with that in an upcoming episode). I play around with the roles and motivations for Shaggy and Scooby a bit more as the series continues and things will come to a head pretty soon. As I mentioned, I think this show has the most dimensional Scooby gang yet and we explore them more and more as we go. I'm really interested in seeing how everyone reacts to what's coming.
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Post by scoobypediapossible on Jan 2, 2016 16:12:14 GMT -5
"Mystery 101" did it best with how Shaggy and Scooby operate. First they say how the students were cowards for leaving the university, only to reveal that they're saying this way, way across the street, and the other was when they built that university model and dramatised what would happen if they went up into the tower for real.
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Post by Grumpydrawer on Jan 2, 2016 17:56:27 GMT -5
Yes, until I had to write for these characters, I hadn't thought too much about them. The first thing that occurred to me about Shaggy and Scooby is you have two main characters (the two most beloved up to this point) that DON'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR STORY! That's tricky, from a writer's point of view, knowing Shaggy and Scooby really want nothing to do with mysteries and ghosts and monsters. I can understand why they introduced Scooby Snacks, but never felt comfortable with what they symbolize (we deal with that in an upcoming episode). I play around with the roles and motivations for Shaggy and Scooby a bit more as the series continues and things will come to a head pretty soon. As I mentioned, I think this show has the most dimensional Scooby gang yet and we explore them more and more as we go. I'm really interested in seeing how everyone reacts to what's coming. That's certainly a good point I haven't thought of before. Without Scooby Snacks there isn't really a motervation for them to be there solving the mysteries with the gang, well other than the peer pressure which happens at times, because they are scared of practically everything vaguley haunted. Or the whole "Well I guess you'll just have to wait here by the Mystery Machine all alone in the storm." sorta line Daphne or Velma usually say causing the Scooby and Shaggy to do a U-Turn. Or usually do a U-Turn since WNSD did turn that on it's head at least once if memory severes me right. They did a couple things like that in WNSD for fun, like when Shaggy and Fred went together whilst Scooby went with Velma and Daphne causing it to show Shaggy and Fred have little common interests and thus decided to split up the usually way from then onwards. Or that time in the Hex Girls episode where Fred decides to go right to capturing the monster, confusing the rest of the gang. Even though when you think about it that would be the most logical thing to do first...then there's a talking dog so logic can be damned. Then again several of the top guys in making WNSD had worked on the older Scooby shows, I'm pretty sure the head art director was still Iwao Takamoto for example, makes sense they had a bit of a mess around at times before most of them bit the dust back in the 2000s. Which does explain why WNSD was quite "traditional" if you will for Scooby Doo. Anyway that's going off track. When I think about it if we look all the way back to SDWAY the only characters with much personalities are Shaggy and Scooby. Sure Velma's the smart one and Daphne's the girl caring about her looks but those aren't really personalities, yet they still have enough there to expand and build off which has been done very well over the years. Yet Fred's basicly a blank state. Sure he was kinda jocky (yet kinda not) and the leader but he was still mostly a blank slate in SDWAY and the SD Show. Speaking of Fred I'm liking what Be Cool is doing with him, it's nice to see him not trap obsessed and dumb as a bag of bricks again. I'll admit Fred being a bit dim works, eg WNSD and the 1998-2001 movies did it well, but he was never as stupid as many modern interpretations make him. The trap obsession could have worked too if the places I've seen it didn't make it so over the top, they should have just made it an interest at best. It must be hard to expand on his character when there wasn't that much to begin with, after all you can only change so much before you end up with basicly a new character yet you have to expand to make him more interesting...if that makes any sense. It's nice to have chase songs again too, that was something I've missed since WNSD (I don't think SDMI had them, if memory serves me right). And that they fit chase scenes, unlike in SDWAY where the chase scene songs were great yet didn't really fit a chase (most I found quite relaxing).
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 20, 2016 22:46:58 GMT -5
i think having fresh takes on the characters is necessary to keep them relevant. h giving daphne and velma depth for inmstance is a good thing.
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