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Post by russm on Sept 22, 2015 3:05:28 GMT -5
What I hate is when the Scrappy haters (along with most of the Fraphne/Shelma fans) act like their at the top at the fanbase and act like the Scrappy and Shaphne fans are at the bottom and not worth it and when they act like they control what goes into the series. Which is strange as I could have said similar things about some of the more 'excitable' Shaphne fans I met at Fan Fiction  |
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Post by ShaphneFan on Sept 23, 2015 23:44:48 GMT -5
What I hate is when the Scrappy haters (along with most of the Fraphne/Shelma fans) act like their at the top at the fanbase and act like the Scrappy and Shaphne fans are at the bottom and not worth it and when they act like they control what goes into the series. Which is strange as I could have said similar things about some of the more 'excitable' Shaphne fans I met at Fan Fiction I guess you saw the forum?  |
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Post by russm on Sept 24, 2015 6:49:57 GMT -5
Which is strange as I could have said similar things about some of the more 'excitable' Shaphne fans I met at Fan Fiction I guess you saw the forum? It was a strange place, they had never heard of the concept 'live, and let live'. I posted there for a while but it was just wearisome, it put me in mind of religious fanatics - they knew the 'truth' of Scooby Doo (i.e. Shaphne and the primacy of 13 Ghosts) and any other interpretation of actions, events or story was heresy, any show or episode that didn't fit this 'truth' was deemed not canonical and could be ignored. Any character who interfered with this 'truth' (mostly Fred and Velma) were to be purged from the series for now and for ever more... blah, blah, blah. You get the picture, an exaggeration but it did feel like that at times. It was an interesting exercise in watching the logical fallacies fly (mostly Texas Sharp-Shooter, Black or White and Begging the Question). Not quite as mad as a box of frogs, but close. A lot of the excitement came from just a few members but IMO they made it quite a toxic place, one thing I found quite amusing is the some of the most vocal in complaining about the lack of Shaphne fan fiction never put pen to paper themselves. I've been involved in some intense debates on-line before (mostly with Young Earth Creationists) and that was worth the effort but there, arguing about relationships between made-up characters... to read about hos someone sat through a film to simply count the number of times Daphne touched Shaggy on the shoulder... well I have other things to do in my day. Now when I came to all of this I was an adult male in my 30's so perhaps it doesn't have the same level of intensity for me, perhaps it's my natural English reserve, perhaps my natural skepticism and cynicism, perhaps I've never encountered the mad Fraphne fans - but I think if I did I would put them in the same box as the mad Shaphne fans. <clumsy phrase removed> |
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Post by Jeepers on Sept 24, 2015 7:44:08 GMT -5
Doesn't your harsh judgement go against your live and let live philosophy, though? I mean if that's what makes them happy and they're not hurting you...?
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Post by russm on Sept 24, 2015 8:10:12 GMT -5
Doesn't your harsh judgement go against your live and let live philosophy, though? I mean if that's what makes them happy and they're not hurting you...? No because my comments are qualified, they refer to the behavior of a some Shaphne fans on the FanFiction forums not Shaphne fans in general. I have no problems with Shaphne, I have written a Shaphne story myself (Blooming Mysterious). My preference for parings is Shelma then Frelma however I do not go around insisting that other peoples ships or parings are wrong nor insisting that Daphne be dropped form the show because it might get in the way of Shelma nor that the validity of a show or episode by judge by my paring. This was however the behaviour I observed from some of the Shaphne fans there, As I said my statements are qualified, if they are inadequately qualified, show me where an I will correct them. |
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Post by Jeepers on Sept 24, 2015 8:45:25 GMT -5
I was referring to your judgement of "the same conversations and same debates." If that's what makes them happy, it isn't hurting you and it does indeed go against your "have they never heard of live and let live" statement. You don't like the community so you left the conversation... Only to go back and check on a conversation you don't like and condemn them for covering the same ground... I'm not sure I understand what the point of that was...?
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Post by russm on Sept 24, 2015 11:03:20 GMT -5
I was referring to your judgement of "the same conversations and same debates." If that's what makes them happy, it isn't hurting you and it does indeed go against your "have they never heard of live and let live" statement. You don't like the community so you left the conversation... Only to go back and check on a conversation you don't like and condemn them for covering the same ground... I'm not sure I understand what the point of that was...? THat was a clumsy turn of phrase, I know what I wanted to say but it didn't work. I will remove it from the post. |
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Sept 25, 2015 0:42:12 GMT -5
Doesn't your harsh judgement go against your live and let live philosophy, though? I mean if that's what makes them happy and they're not hurting you...? No because my comments are qualified, they refer to the behavior of a some Shaphne fans on the FanFiction forums not Shaphne fans in general. I have no problems with Shaphne, I have written a Shaphne story myself (Blooming Mysterious). My preference for parings is Shelma then Frelma however I do not go around insisting that other peoples ships or parings are wrong nor insisting that Daphne be dropped form the show because it might get in the way of Shelma nor that the validity of a show or episode by judge by my paring. This was however the behaviour I observed from some of the Shaphne fans there, As I said my statements are qualified, if they are inadequately qualified, show me where an I will correct them. I think the reason why some Shaphne fans want Fred and Velma to be removed is because we think a four member gang works better then a five or six member gang as the writers could focus on the main characters more easily. I would see WB probably adding a few supporting characters to the cast if they ever were decided to try that format in the future but I'm just talking about gang members. But it doesn't mean Fred and Velma may or may not pop up as guests once in a blue moon. |
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Post by russm on Sept 25, 2015 8:19:42 GMT -5
I think the reason why some Shaphne fans want Fred and Velma to be removed is because we think a four member gang works better... OK how about Shaggy, Daphne, Velma and Scooby? That's just 4... As a side thought if you added Madelyn Dinkley you could have Shaggy's Angels. |
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Post by Jeepers on Sept 25, 2015 12:53:43 GMT -5
Ha-ha I think it's just that most people don't like Velma and Fred. A lot of Shaphne shippers are shippers because they got into the show/grew up with episodes where it was just Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby-Doo, Scrappy and maybe Flim Flam.
Most people that enjoyed those shows don't really see a use for Fred or Velma with that formula and, like I mentioned in another post on this forum, the condensed cast lets producers and writers focus more on the bond and friendship the gang has in the little moments instead of just tying the mystery together. The gang seems more tight-knit with only four characters. (The condensed cast made Scrappy a bit more bearable too. He didn't seem as randomly thrown in there.)
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Post by russm on Sept 25, 2015 14:24:53 GMT -5
Ha-ha I think it's just that most people don't like Velma and Fred. A lot of Shaphne shippers are shippers because they got into the show/grew up with episodes where it was just Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby-Doo, Scrappy and maybe Flim Flam. Most people that enjoyed those shows don't really see a use for Fred or Velma with that formula and, like I mentioned in another post on this forum, the condensed cast lets producers and writers focus more on the bond and friendship the gang has in the little moments instead of just tying the mystery together. The gang seems more tight-knit with only four characters. (The condensed cast made Scrappy a bit more bearable too. He didn't seem as randomly thrown in there.) Well I respectfully disagree with you. I would suggest that this discussion ends before we both wander off to eat a radioactive Scooby Snack to get super powers... and it's taking the thread off topic |
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Post by ShaphneFan on Sept 25, 2015 15:30:41 GMT -5
Yea they are really intense over there. I don't really care but it's fun to see what people have noticed.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Sept 26, 2015 1:06:55 GMT -5
Some Shaphne fans seem to hate on Flim Flam instead of Scrappy.
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Post by russm on Sept 27, 2015 17:32:38 GMT -5
On the subject of Scrappy... In the 80's one of the most popular cartoons in the UK was a show called Dangermouse - about a secret agent mouse and his hamster sidekick.  The show is about to be rebooted with all the usual concerns from fans. In an interview one of the cast said |
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Post by Ark on Sept 28, 2015 0:07:05 GMT -5
Scrappies? Ahaha
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