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Post by Kirben on Oct 25, 2018 17:35:44 GMT -5
It is starting to look like Scooby-Doo has reached the end already, in terms of ideas. The animated movies started relying too much on guest stars, the specials are LEGO focused, and the next cartoon series will be focused on guest stars too. Even the last original movie (Shaggy's Showdown), had to throw in a made up internet celebrity (Buddy G). The attempt at a more serious series (Mystery Inc.), failed compared to any other serious mystery series. The series messed up the characters too much, and felt more like a teen drama, with clues just dumped on them and super natural elements used to explain it all away.
Only Be Cool Scooby-Doo managed to keep me interested in Scooby-Doo, I like the change of style, and I'm surprised how much I enjoyed the first season. I just hope we eventually get the second season on DVD, or I doubt I will ever be able to see it.
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Post by futurerocker on Oct 26, 2018 22:46:50 GMT -5
It is starting to look like Scooby-Doo has reached the end already, in terms of ideas. The animated movies started relying too much on guest stars, the specials are LEGO focused, and the next cartoon series will be focused on guest stars too. Even the last original movie (Shaggy's Showdown), had to throw in a made up internet celebrity (Buddy G). The attempt at a more serious series (Mystery Inc.), failed compared to any other serious mystery series. The series messed up the characters too much, and felt more like a teen drama, with clues just dumped on them and super natural elements used to explain it all away. Only Be Cool Scooby-Doo managed to keep me interested in Scooby-Doo, I like the change of style, and I'm surprised how much I enjoyed the first season. I just hope we eventually get the second season on DVD, or I doubt I will ever be able to see it. The same thing could've been said when "The Scooby Doo Show" was airing. I feel like the show is in a cycle where we get a series which is pretty simple and follows the same formula of the original show and after awhile when fans start to get bored they mix it up by changing the formula and adding new characters and taking out old ones and doing that for awhile and then switch back to the original formula when fans want the original format.
Right now where in the part of the cycle where the writers are adding a small twist to the show that doesn't drastically change the formula, but enough to keep people interested. That twist being the guest stars. I think after this new series will either get a series which is more like the original or get something like the 80s shows.
Also I wouldn't say that Mystery Incorporated fail by any means. The series is highly enjoyed by many fans and regarded as one of the better entries. Most people think that Be Cool Scooby Doo was a step back after Mystery Incorporated. My only complaint for MI was that some of the romance between character and drama was kinda meh and not fun to watch and also I felt like Shaggy just stopped getting any development during season two. Glad you enjoyed Be Cool. It definitely better than what most people say.
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Post by Kirben on Oct 27, 2018 8:15:29 GMT -5
The main problem is Scooby-Doo is completely relying on cross overs now, first the movies, then the specials, and finally the next cartoon series. That shows a complete lack of any faith in the characters to be able to carry anything by themselves, and isn't related to cycle changes.
I think Mystery Incorporated is only praised due to lack of any real competition in western cartoon series. Compared to later the Gravity Falls series, or various older anime series (Detective Conan, Ghost Stories, Tantei Gakuen Q), Mystery Incorporated was a complete failure in characters and in mysteries.
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Post by Doo on Oct 27, 2018 10:12:43 GMT -5
The main problem is Scooby-Doo is completely relying on cross overs now, first the movies, then the specials, and finally the next cartoon series. That shows a complete lack of any faith in the characters to be able to carry anything by themselves, and isn't related to cycle changes. I definitely agree with your point somewhat, though I respectfully disagree about the Scooby franchise being over in terms of ideas. It's just that this group of writers has run out of ideas and has been focusing overly much on crossovers. Somewhere down the line, they may bring in new writers (like they did with JCB and BCSD) who may have strong ideas which don't rely on crossovers. Can't say I agree with your dislike of Mystery Incorporated either. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I think SDMI was revolutionary in a lot of ways, like the overarching plot and more mature tone, as well as references to past series which we haven't seen before. A lot of people love SDMI and how intricate the overarching mystery was.
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Post by russm on Oct 27, 2018 16:13:26 GMT -5
The main problem is Scooby-Doo is completely relying on cross overs now, first the movies, then the specials, and finally the next cartoon series. That shows a complete lack of any faith in the characters to be able to carry anything by themselves, and isn't related to cycle changes. I definitely agree with your point somewhat, though I respectfully disagree about the Scooby franchise being over in terms of ideas. It's just that this group of writers has run out of ideas and has been focusing overly much on crossovers. Somewhere down the line, they may bring in new writers (like they did with JCB and BCSD) who may have strong ideas which don't rely on crossovers. Can't say I agree with your dislike of Mystery Incorporated either. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I think SDMI was revolutionary in a lot of ways, like the overarching plot and more mature tone, as well as references to past series which we haven't seen before. A lot of people love SDMI and how intricate the overarching mystery was. Not so much crossovers, they can be good Scoobynatural being a good example, but the reliance on contemporary celebrities. The shows have always had fake celebrities in, or real ones who have paid bit-parts in the show, but now is seems that the real celebrities are the ones required to carry the show or have much of the time devoted to them. The nature of the meetings can sometimes feel painfully contrived... Shaggy: Man I'm hungry! Scooby: Reah rungry Fred, Daphne and Velma: Sigh, not again Shaggy: Fred look, a malt shop! Fred: Ok guys, just five minutes for a snack Gang walk into the Malt shop Velma: Jinkies it's the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and the directors of the Sandia and Lawrence Livermore National Labs Lab chiefs: Velma, wow we're glad to bump into you and your friends we've got this problem... and so on As For SD:MI, the only thing that ruined the show for me was the inclusion of the soap-opera relationship drama.
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Post by barneynedward on Oct 27, 2018 17:41:58 GMT -5
I definitely agree with your point somewhat, though I respectfully disagree about the Scooby franchise being over in terms of ideas. It's just that this group of writers has run out of ideas and has been focusing overly much on crossovers. Somewhere down the line, they may bring in new writers (like they did with JCB and BCSD) who may have strong ideas which don't rely on crossovers. Can't say I agree with your dislike of Mystery Incorporated either. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I think SDMI was revolutionary in a lot of ways, like the overarching plot and more mature tone, as well as references to past series which we haven't seen before. A lot of people love SDMI and how intricate the overarching mystery was. Not so much crossovers, they can be good Scoobynatural being a good example, but the reliance on contemporary celebrities. The shows have always had fake celebrities in, or real ones who have paid bit-parts in the show, but now is seems that the real celebrities are the ones required to carry the show or have much of the time devoted to them. The nature of the meetings can sometimes feel painfully contrived... Shaggy: Man I'm hungry! Scooby: Reah rungry Fred, Daphne and Velma: Sigh, not again Shaggy: Fred look, a malt shop! Fred: Ok guys, just five minutes for a snack Gang walk into the Malt shop Velma: Jinkies it's the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and the directors of the Sandia and Lawrence Livermore National Labs Lab chiefs: Velma, wow we're glad to bump into you and your friends we've got this problem... and so on As For SD:MI, the only thing that ruined the show for me was the inclusion of the soap-opera relationship drama. I feel that in mystery inc the relationships should have been played for laughs instead of drama.
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Post by barneynedward on Oct 27, 2018 19:32:24 GMT -5
Like say Fred building some contraption for Daphne's birthday only for it to malfunction hilariously.
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Post by velmablake on Oct 28, 2018 16:05:08 GMT -5
At this point, WB should consider rebooting The Amazing Chan & The Chan Clan and giving that some fresh mystery-solving format ideas, while Mystery Inc. becomes a legit private homicide investigation group while retaining their quirks *COUGH* and makes cameo appearances from time to time in addition to their DTVs.
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Post by futurerocker on Oct 30, 2018 22:55:13 GMT -5
The main problem is Scooby-Doo is completely relying on cross overs now, first the movies, then the specials, and finally the next cartoon series. That shows a complete lack of any faith in the characters to be able to carry anything by themselves, and isn't related to cycle changes. I think Mystery Incorporated is only praised due to lack of any real competition in western cartoon series. Compared to later the Gravity Falls series, or various older anime series (Detective Conan, Ghost Stories, Tantei Gakuen Q), Mystery Incorporated was a complete failure in characters and in mysteries. Think about it like this when Scooby Doo was first shown they were trying to find ways to keep the show alive, so they decided to create Scrappy Doo and that was a success. Something is Happening here, the crossovers and guest appearances have been a success for Scooby Doo right now, so the writers are using that just like they did when Scrappy was introduced and they kept bringing him back. Were right know in the stage were we are tied of all the crossover and now we want an original Scooby Doo show with now major changes to the format.
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Post by Matt_the_miner_49er on Nov 1, 2018 2:18:43 GMT -5
IMO it's only a matter of time until a darker, more serious Scooby emerges. We saw a trial run of it in Mystery Incorporated. It seemed well liked, minus the drama (which makes sense in a more "mature" adaptation). But look at how things have went recently with Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, even Predator. It's like once something has hit it's end they pitch something aimed at the old schoolers trying to revitalize their interests, probably in hopes that getting them excited again will trickle down to younger generations.
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Post by vakanai on Nov 10, 2018 19:41:24 GMT -5
Meh, I don't see the point in doom and gloom. Kids don't care one way or the other about the crossovers, they have near instant access to every series ever and aren't jaded by trends yet. By the time they start thinking enough is enough with celebrity guest stars Scooby will have already moved on to the next thing, or worse case scenario a younger bunch of kids. I mean, the celebrity guest star craze people are complaining about has been going on what, maybe 5 years? And that's outside the LEGO stuff or the live action Daphne and Velma or the upcoming 13th Ghost not relying on star power (outside of Scoob and the Gang's). At the end, the current crop of crossovers is just going to be a small portion of Scooby's history, like the classic crossovers back in The New Scooby-Doo Movies, or that era where Fred and Daphne weren't around much (13 Ghosts, Reluctant Werewolf, attempted again in more recent times with Get a Clue), or that time where the formula was changed to include real ghosts (13 Ghosts again, Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost). Scooby's always trying out something for a few years or so and then going back to the formula, and he's going near 50 that way, which is pretty darn good for a dog you know.
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