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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 18, 2017 19:13:04 GMT -5
I'm curious what you have to think but I've been feeling pretty philosophical about the direction of the brand. Cliché is a word that means something that is so overused it becomes expected. A story arc like the hero's journey, character stereotypes like the damsel in distress, or a setting or theme like a distopia disguised as a utopia can be novel and engaging but if too many stories use them it becomes cliché. Scooby-Doo is in an intresting position, because it's one of the most infamous brands to use clichés. The classics; Where Are You, New Movies, Scooby and Scrappy, use a main story cliche known as situational irony. This is where you have the story go to great lengths to make you believe something but ultimately the plot twists at the end, leaving you with a man in a mask. However if you use this so much it becomes expected, is this really situational irony any more? Scooby Doo on Zombie Island famously explored this in that the first half of the movie we as Scooby fans (and in the montage) become very accustomed to the bogus and the scam but when the unexpected, becomes un-unexpected you're blown away. The scene also immerses you into the characters a ton more but that's a topic for another thread. This is absolutely genius, but what more can we really do to explore the meta game and expand on Scooby-Doo's entertainment value; and what could the next game changer for Scooby-Doo?
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Oct 19, 2017 18:33:54 GMT -5
I think the Scooby format works for Scooby because that is what people expect. When they stray from the normal format, people get upset and refuse to watch the show.
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Post by barneynedward on Oct 19, 2017 18:51:53 GMT -5
I think the Scooby format works for Scooby because that is what people expect. When they stray from the normal format, people get upset and refuse to watch the show. Also Scooby's format of detective stories involving fake monsters is hardly original to the franchise. Mystery stories have used it for over 130 years. Examples include: Hound of the Baskervilles The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew (Hardy Boys debuted in 1927 and Nancy Drew debuted in 1930) Famous Five Murders in the Rue Morgue (the very first mystery story) The Adventure of the Sussex Vampire A few Charlie Chan Movies from the 30s The Scarlet Claw (a Sherlock Holmes movie from the 1940s) If it's still popular with Mystery writers at nearly a century and a half, I don't think Scooby will ever not be popular.
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Oct 19, 2017 19:17:48 GMT -5
Good point! I wasn't really thinking about that, but they do use the format in so many other shows!
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Post by scoobnick on Oct 19, 2017 21:01:46 GMT -5
the format has been ariound for well over a century, and Scooby himself has been around for nearly 50 years. i see no reason scooby wont be still around 50 years from now.
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Post by barneynedward on Oct 19, 2017 21:32:22 GMT -5
Also Scooby's format is not a cliche. It's a trope.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 20, 2017 17:44:15 GMT -5
the format has been ariound for well over a century, and Scooby himself has been around for nearly 50 years. i see no reason scooby wont be still around 50 years from now. that's a good estimate, i'd love to see what 100 years of scooby doo would look like
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Post by candy1026 on Oct 20, 2017 22:54:49 GMT -5
Scooby's lasted 50 years, and animation has been around for less then 200. We're at the dawn of an era. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?
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Post by mattpricetime on Oct 23, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -5
Scooby in itself in it's most basic form is a mystery story that has become famous and in a lot of people it still cherished. Anything that achieves that grows on in despite of whoever stands against it. It is a typical easily understood thing to think that something they may not like is forgotten and overdone even though others are still chowing down every bit of it.
Scooby himself really has been a bit more robust than some give him credit for. Throughout the several decades in his existence, Scooby has tried to take different turns to different fan reactions. Some completely minor that didn't much change the format, some that did that entirely. But even in his least active time period, re-run power alone was strong enough to remind everyone he had a market. The only way Scooby really goes down is if the things that many have loved for decades somehow change, and that is humanly unlikely. He may alter how he is to some degree but I doubt Scooby will ever vanish any more than other characters have before him. (mostly some just go on cooling period before someone tries again)
Also for the history lesson of the day, let us not stop before the quilt is finished. Edgar Allan Poe is credited with the first known mystery story but we should not forget his inspiration for that was ETA Hoffmann's "Mademoiselle De Scuderi". Which was a story about a woman who gets caught up in a mystery but isn't actively trying to solve it but has the whole thing explained to her. As such it was Poe's idea following that to write a story about a detective who has a mystery in front of them to reveal it as the story progressed.
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Post by russm on Oct 24, 2017 1:33:03 GMT -5
Like the music of Wyld Stallyns from Bill and Ted, Scooby Doo will become the foundation of a future civilization.
As part of their rights of passage into adulthood teenagers are expected to make a group of four and go and solve mysteries.
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Post by yellowliner946 on Oct 28, 2017 16:24:26 GMT -5
I think that's what the majority of watchers has come to expect and love about the show. However, I think the producers like to give us a twist from time to time and don't really "totally" solve a mystery. The films did a better job with this than weekly episodes. Examples would be the Loch Ness Monster, Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost. While they "solved" a mystery, the overall scheme was paranormal/science-fiction in nature and not something that could be simply explained by unmasking someone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 11:13:53 GMT -5
One could make *yet* another SD weekly series (in the vain of the original...the ONLY version, in my view, worth rebrandishing) freshly air YEARS AND YEARS --- *if*: someone just happened to be schooled in watching an old Horror soap opera from the late-1960s named DARK SHADOWS and, for instance, they "subliminally borrowed"😏 from everything that show had ever done (haunted mansion, time travel, cursed relatives becoming vampires or werewolves...which ALREADY kinda sounds like Scooby, doesn't it?😆).
I mean, of course, also:
Sprinkle in modernity (as WNSD did logically); a FEW references to "in-jokes" (though NOT overdone to turn it into looking entirely like a dumb parody of Scoob and Shag wanting a 12-ft sub with tabasco sauce on it every 5 minutes!); get up-and-coming bands (of all genres) to plug a song into an action scene per-episode; give it a subtle "adult" context (but not as awkwardly presented as MI...talking more in-terms-of: the atmosphere and antagonists of the shows being darker in theme...like a tamed-down version of the Michaels/Jasons/Kruegers/Angels/etc.); AND: animate it so that it DOESN'T LOOK like all the stupid garbage on tv that resembles a 3 year-old's drawing of a Ziggy newspaper comic(!). [One of the most distinctive visual traits about the original was the BACKGROUND ART; then done by an ex-Disney old timer (the late) Walter Peregoy. The backgrounds always had ornately-detailed features and were consistently awash in royal and midnight blue tints to give a half-lit feel to them. High "Art" for a cartoon which, now, should be entitled to have lavished-upon it (once again). I mean: there are video games with better effort put into the graphic design than what multi-billion-dollar media conglomerates just use as an excuse to peddle merchandising now!😧 If WB couldn't do the work on it domestically, either(?): let Japan ink and print it. THEY still CARE about detail. The stuff WB sends to Korea to do looks childish and amateur.]
This type of show WOULD BE BRILLIANT unlike any other!🖒
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Post by snesgamer83 on Oct 8, 2018 18:12:02 GMT -5
Well, if you just looked at SD objectively, it's already a pretty horrendously out of date show, even in the modern iterations. It's lasted 50+ years like that, I think the show'll be fine. That is, unless the networks who have been so badly mishandling it really do a number on it.
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Post by futurerocker on Oct 9, 2018 22:55:00 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Scooby-Doo could go on forever as long as there is someone who wants to write Scooby Doo movies or episodes. Scooby Doo has a very simple idea that works. Mystery have been apart of literature for as long as we have been able to write. I don't think we'll ever get bored of mystery. Also Scooby Doo has been able to change the format and still have some success. When people were getting bored of it they took out some character and completely change the format of the show. The format for this show is very flexible and can be change when fans feel like the show is getting to boring or repetitive.
Scooby has been shown to be able to leave the mystery monster theme to a boy and his dog going against an evil scientist. Now 99% of people would probably want Scooby Doo to stay in the mystery and supernatural theme, but you get the point. Scooby Doo can change the formula when fans are getting tired and then go back to the original format when fans react negatively to the new format or miss the old format after a few years in a new one.
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Post by manbearpig on Oct 12, 2018 20:29:20 GMT -5
As long as it causes nostalgia among people. In order for this to happen, several conditions have to be met: First - new episodes have to be created regularly, so new generations of children will grow up with an actual (!) version of Scooby. Second - Scooby must have a soul. These new episodes must have something that stands out positively and is really memorable among the other shows. That's what SDWAY and What's New SD? had, and what Get a Clue! hadn't (and now it's quite forgotten). Because of that, adults with good memories from their childhood will show Scooby to the next generations of children and so on. Third - Scooby can't go too far from the original concept. Despite SDWAY is ageing, new episodes must be more or less faithful to that 1969 classic. People love to watch something they know, something familiar. That's one of reasons why Get a Clue! failed - changes just went too far... This is, of course, a simplification. Much may depend on factors such as the technological progress, the end of classic scheduled television, broadcasters' policies or ongoing cultural changes that may result in the end of Scooby as a profitable business. That's what my crystal ball told me.
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