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Post by 90s2000sDoo on Sept 19, 2017 12:53:20 GMT -5
I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst or darkest period in Scooby-Doo's history? Was it from 1980-1982? A period which saw the introduction of three seven minute shorts in the Richie Rich Scooby Doo Show and Scooby Doo Scrappy Doo Puppy Hour. Or was it 1992-1996 a period with no new Scooby Doo media produced besides Arabian Nights but which saw a revival of interest thanks to the introduction of Cartoon Network and reruns. Maybe you think it was 1977-1979 which showed the gang and mystery format getting old with the worst last season of the Scooby Doo Show and the first season of Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo. Or maybe you think it 1983-1986 which saw strange new formulas of mini mysteries and the 13 Ghosts
Let me know your thoughts
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Post by snesgamer83 on Sept 19, 2017 14:55:50 GMT -5
I think it would've been VERY hard if I were alive and actively watching Scooby during the 1980-982 "shorts" period, not knowing if Scooby had completely lost the plot and if it would ever get back to its former glory again, or whether this was the standard format from here on out. Even more so than the period of inactivity between Arabian Nights and Zombie Island.
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 19, 2017 15:46:37 GMT -5
The shorts were a very stupid idea. What made Bill and Joe think anybody wanted to watch that kind of Scooby-Doo series. They could have at least done a half hour sitcom with mystery elements instead. Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy could have been agents for his uncle's detective agency but the show could've focused on the sitcom humor more. I'm thinking like Get Smart but Starring Scooby-Doo. Arabian Nights however was the worst Scooby-Doo adventure ever. Even the crappiest fan-fiction is better than that garbage.
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 19, 2017 15:52:11 GMT -5
Seriously, the later Scooby shows can make ya think that the writers were just spinning a wheel of fortune style wheel to come up with ideas. Whatever the wheel landed on is what they used. I wonder what would happen if they ever landed on Bankrupt. Would they have fired someone? Would lose a turn result in somebody's ideas being ignored?
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Sept 19, 2017 16:15:50 GMT -5
For me I think the worst part of the franchise is everything made since 1988 but the worst part of the Hanna Barbera era was the 1980-1982 shorts. I would have just skipped the 1980-1982 shorts and jump right to The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show in 1983 with having a three year hiatus between 1980-1982. I mostly blame the majority of the Scrappy-Doo hate on those shorts.
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Post by 90s2000sDoo on Sept 19, 2017 16:20:21 GMT -5
I think it would've been VERY hard if I were alive and actively watching Scooby during the 1980-982 "shorts" period, not knowing if Scooby had completely lost the plot and if it would ever get back to its former glory again, or whether this was the standard format from here on out. Even more so than the period of inactivity between Arabian Nights and Zombie Island. That's very true I couldn't bear seeing Scooby go so far from what made the series great. I'm sure the love for Scooby-Doo was also not that great during this period as I could not see the ratings being that great during this period. The period between Arabian and Zombie also had a lot of fans getting excited again for Scoob as it was the best and most showed program on Cartoon Network. Scooby won the Dog Bowl twice and there was a lot of bumpers and commercials featuring Scooby and the gang |
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Post by 90s2000sDoo on Sept 19, 2017 16:23:06 GMT -5
The shorts were a very stupid idea. What made Bill and Joe think anybody wanted to watch that kind of Scooby-Doo series. They could have at least done a half hour sitcom with mystery elements instead. Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy could have been agents for his uncle's detective agency but the show could've focused on the sitcom humor more. I'm thinking like Get Smart but Starring Scooby-Doo. Arabian Nights however was the worst Scooby-Doo adventure ever. Even the crappiest fan-fiction is better than that garbage. I know it doesn't make much sense why they would make these. It seemed like very generic cartoons with just Scooby, Scrappy, and Shaggy thrown in as characters. I enjoyed the Puppy Hour episodes were they worked for Uncle Fearless in the Fearless Detective Agency more at the end of the shorts era, but they were still not that great |
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Post by 90s2000sDoo on Sept 19, 2017 16:25:40 GMT -5
For me I think the worst part of the franchise is everything made since 1988 but the worst part of the Hanna Barbera era was the 1980-1982 shorts. I would have just skipped the 1980-1982 shorts and jump right to The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show in 1983 with having a three year hiatus between 1980-1982. I mostly blame the majority of the Scrappy-Doo hate on those shorts. I've noticed you have a love for the mid to late 80s mini mystery Scooby-Doo series, namely the New Scooby Doo Mysteries and the New Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo Show. They are in my opinion the most underrated of the series and there are some quality episodes. But what makes them some of your favorite series? |
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 19, 2017 17:19:57 GMT -5
The shorts were a very stupid idea. What made Bill and Joe think anybody wanted to watch that kind of Scooby-Doo series. They could have at least done a half hour sitcom with mystery elements instead. Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy could have been agents for his uncle's detective agency but the show could've focused on the sitcom humor more. I'm thinking like Get Smart but Starring Scooby-Doo. Arabian Nights however was the worst Scooby-Doo adventure ever. Even the crappiest fan-fiction is better than that garbage. I know it doesn't make much sense why they would make these. It seemed like very generic cartoons with just Scooby, Scrappy, and Shaggy thrown in as characters. I enjoyed the Puppy Hour episodes were they worked for Uncle Fearless in the Fearless Detective Agency more at the end of the shorts era, but they were still not that great Hanna-Barbera was always ripping off or parodying other shows. There had to be dozens of private eye shows they could have based it on. |
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Sept 19, 2017 21:10:23 GMT -5
For me I think the worst part of the franchise is everything made since 1988 but the worst part of the Hanna Barbera era was the 1980-1982 shorts. I would have just skipped the 1980-1982 shorts and jump right to The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show in 1983 with having a three year hiatus between 1980-1982. I mostly blame the majority of the Scrappy-Doo hate on those shorts. I've noticed you have a love for the mid to late 80s mini mystery Scooby-Doo series, namely the New Scooby Doo Mysteries and the New Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo Show. They are in my opinion the most underrated of the series and there are some quality episodes. But what makes them some of your favorite series? I like how they just use Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne because Shaggy and Daphne are able to be more open to original ideas when Fred and Velma aren't around as Fred and Velma seem to keep the format the same in each episode. |
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 19, 2017 23:46:09 GMT -5
i like the New scooby Mysteries era, and its the least aired era of Scooby. episodes like Showboat Scooby, are never aired at all.
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Post by candy1026 on Sept 20, 2017 0:43:53 GMT -5
Hmph. Well, I guess as 20 minute long mysteries, the shorts fail-but here's the thing-they aren't 20 minute long mysteries. They are seven minute long cartoons. "If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it'll spend its whole life thinking it's stupid." Albert Einstein. I nearly avoided them altogether because of the bad rap everyone gives them. But then, in a twist of fate, I found myself watching one.
Then I watched another one.
And another.
Another.
I'd go do something else, then the next time I had, I thought, "One more." But it was never "one more". One thing was for sure-I was drawn to them.
I'm not sure what it is. But considering that the most prevalent complaint is, "Oh, it's different," I think people just immediately dislike them because they walk in already expecting something else (And some people say it was of worse quality, but it's common knowledge that never at any point before then could Scooby-Doo be considered a high-budget show) Do you dislike Sherlock Holmes because it's "different" from Scooby-Doo? I think not. I HOPE not, because that would be sad.
And please stop blaming Scrappy for them. It's one thing to dislike something, it's another to pin it on a character with no proof.
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Post by russm on Sept 20, 2017 2:20:07 GMT -5
I think animation in general had a hard time in the late 70s and 80s, especially that produced in the US. The quality really suffered as budgets were cut in the face of competition from studios in Asia. And Scooby Doo got caught in that.
What's the worst era? Well you'd have to ask what age me you want the answer from. Stuff I liked as a kid like the Globetrotter and other crossovers now I'm not that keen on, whereas then I'd stop watching if Scrappy came on now I'm more tolerant, though I do blame him for my train being late yesterday :-)
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 20, 2017 9:55:03 GMT -5
russm is right, it depends on what age you were when the shows came out. and yes animation in general was tough in the 70s. look at Disney, they were so hard up for cash for Robin hood they recycled a whole Bunch of stuff from the Jungle book, as well as using music from the University of Wisconsin marching band . it really took until the Renaissance era (from Beauty and the Beast to the Lion King) for Disney to have enough money to produce very good to great films- with TLK and BATB being two of the greatest films that company has EVER produced. Today, of course, money is no object, but back then it really was. and Scooby, I dont think, has ever been a high budget show, with perhaps Zombie Island as the only exception.
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Post by wileyk209 on Sept 20, 2017 15:32:31 GMT -5
My worst periods would probably have to be 1980-1982, 2002-2009 (yeah, I know, I know) and half of the stuff from 2014 to the present (like the WWE crossover movies and "Be Cool Scooby-Doo.")
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