|
|
Post by Jinkies on Apr 20, 2014 18:04:17 GMT -5
I, personally do not support Shelma. I feel as if they have no chemistry behind them, and they're better off as friends. Also , in SDMI, Shaggy ignored her quite a bit to pay attention to Scooby, and I didn't like the super clingy Velma who tried to transform Shaggy into someone else rather than who he is. Don't get me wrong, a little clinging shows you're loyal towards your significant other, but a little too much is when it goes wrong. If you vote in the poll please post your reasons if you are against it, or support it. I love to hear view points from the other side.
|
|
|
|
Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 20, 2014 18:22:24 GMT -5
In Mystery Incorporated, the relationship came across as forced and unnecessary. It brought a negative aspect towards Velma, Shaggy, and Scooby. I didn't like that it got in the way of their friendship, it was pretty silly. It also made Velma seem like a controlling, mean, sarcastic (in nicer words) girl and I didn't like that.
On the other hand though, I loved the development of the relationship in "Curse Of The Lake Monster". It was so adorable!
I also see how it could have worked in the original "Where Are You" series.
I've been more of a Frelma supporter myself, but recently there has little to no chemistry between Velma and Fred because of his relationship with Daphne and her interest in Shaggy.
So, I guess while I can't say I support it in the current animated series, I'm willing to accept it in the live-action universe, or even a future series if handled properly.
|
|
|
|
Post by mattpricetime on Apr 20, 2014 19:03:22 GMT -5
On this case, honestly while i always felt it was possible to "read" a Fred/Daphne or a Shaggy/Daphne, i never once until MI ever even thought of a Shaggy/Velma. To me they always felt written as friends and the very few moments that i recall that might be something of a hint, ended with it just being a gag to let Scooby be funny.
That being said my displeasure on MI, is not a secret, but even then i feel like Velma is not really a character i want to see enveloped in that type of story. And if they wanted a Shaggy relationship, i can't help but feel all the other one shot love interests Shaggy had all seem all the more interesting to me than Velma.
All in all i feel Velma is better off as an independent smart girl, that being said since the film series there have been a couple times Velma seems to show interest in someone and vice versa, and to be honest none of them really spark my interest either. At least not in the way Fred/Daphne or any of the Shaggy pairings have.
|
|
|
|
Post by scoob16 on Apr 21, 2014 2:40:39 GMT -5
Well, Velma seems to be Shaggy's more stable girlfriend so far. So I support Shelma.
|
|
sadie
Red Herring
Posts: 67 
|
Post by sadie on Apr 21, 2014 7:42:06 GMT -5
I like them as close friends, close friends who are different genders are rarely a thing in tv and that makes their relationship special in my eyes.
|
|
|
|
Post by ahkyahnan on Apr 21, 2014 12:22:08 GMT -5
Shelma? Is that one of Velma's cousins? Sort of like Scooby-Dum or something?
No seriously, don't support any further playing around with the idea. Didn't actually bother me in SD:MI, as I thought it was an interesting part of the story arc. (What actually bugged me there was that they sort of caved-in to fan pressure and abruptly ended the relationship in a fairly illogical manner rather than allowing what they'd started to play out to some reasonable conclusion.) But in the more traditional episodic format of the prior series', I'd rather they not include romance between the principal characters at all.
Mark
|
|
|
|
Post by Doo on Apr 24, 2014 17:11:09 GMT -5
I could see it possibly working if the writers did it differently, but I did not like the way they handled it in SDMI.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jinkies on May 26, 2014 14:51:33 GMT -5
For those of you who are supporters/shippers of Shelma what are your reasons? I'd love to know  . |
|
|
|
Post by scoobnick on May 26, 2014 15:53:16 GMT -5
i'd prefer if relationships didnt come into play at all. but mi made that an impossibility, the relationships were part of the show.
|
|
|
|
Post by russm on May 26, 2014 16:15:10 GMT -5
For those of you who are supporters/shippers of Shelma what are your reasons? I'd love to know . Nope, not gonna bite. Let people enjoy their parings/ships without having to justify them, we don't want to end up arguing over lists of why & why not's. It is as meaningful as asking why I prefer one brand of mushroom soup to another (controlling for variables such as quality of ingredients etc). The only consistent paring is Shaggy, Scooby and food. |
|
|
|
Post by Sophia Peletier on May 26, 2014 19:19:32 GMT -5
For those of you who are supporters/shippers of Shelma what are your reasons? I'd love to know . Nope, not gonna bite. Let people enjoy their parings/ships without having to justify them, we don't want to end up arguing over lists of why & why not's. It is as meaningful as asking why I prefer one brand of mushroom soup to another (controlling for variables such as quality of ingredients etc). The only consistent paring is Shaggy, Scooby and food. I don't think Jinkies is trying to troll here.  It's just genuine curiosity as to why people like the pairing. She isn't saying you have "justify" or "defend" your pairing, she just wants to know, let's say, how you started liking the couple and why you think they are "cute" together. Nowhere in her post was she attacking anyone or saying that it's the worst pairing of all time. This was started to discuss the pairing and see why people like or don't like the couple. I myself support Shelma in the live-action universe because of the way it was handled. Velma failed to get Fred to like her, but it didn't break up the friendship. She continued to get closer to Shaggy, upon which he eventually fell in love with her. I thought the events that played out after that were adorable! |
|
|
|
Post by Jinkies on May 26, 2014 19:47:03 GMT -5
Nope, not gonna bite. Let people enjoy their parings/ships without having to justify them, we don't want to end up arguing over lists of why & why not's. It is as meaningful as asking why I prefer one brand of mushroom soup to another (controlling for variables such as quality of ingredients etc). The only consistent paring is Shaggy, Scooby and food. I don't think Jinkies is trying to troll here. :| It's just genuine curiosity as to why people like the pairing. She isn't saying you have "justify" or "defend" your pairing, she just wants to know, let's say, how you started liking the couple and why you think they are "cute" together. Nowhere in her post was she attacking anyone or saying that it's the worst pairing of all time. This was started to discuss the pairing and see why people like or don't like the couple. I myself support Shelma in the live-action universe because of the way it was handled. Velma failed to get Fred to like her, but it didn't break up the friendship. She continued to get closer to Shaggy, upon which he eventually fell in love with her. I thought the events that played out after that were adorable! :) I wasn't trying to troll at all. I just wanted to try to spark some conversation. Along with that most people are on the negative side of Shelma so I would like to see people who support Shelma's reasons, to get a view of the other side of the conversation so it isn't really one-sided , because well where is the fun in that? I apologize for anyone who thought I was trying to be a troll. Sophia really hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to do. I wasn't saying you had to defend them at all , just seeing as to why you like them and such. Again very sorry. |
|
|
|
Post by russm on May 27, 2014 17:04:55 GMT -5
In which case I apologise to Jinkies for my rather abrupt reply as I misinterpreted the question at the end. My relationship with this is probably a bit more complex so this may be a bit of a waffle (feel free to imagine some arm waving as you read). There probably is a historical narrative to this but I don't remember it, I do remember being inspired by 'Where's My Mummy' to write my own stories which is when I got into reading Fan Fiction as well. I also found that Velma was my favourite character which is why I view my stories a Velma centric. Now when I started reading fan fiction The predominate parings were Fred/Daphne and Shaggy/Velma which to me seemed more natural. I certainly found it easier to write Shelma than the others (though I have written other parings since my first stories and will do again when the mood takes me). For me parings are a tool to help tell the story, sometimes I have no need of them, other times they are central) which is why personally I'm more of a Shelma fan I'm agnostic towards explicit parings in the actual shows. So (still awake) why Shaggy and Velma? I find their characters are more adaptable, there is more plasticity there for me to work with. I'm not in a position to externalise why, I just find that they are that way for me, I just fond more dimensions to play with in that paring, for me it is a more satisfying paring. Other people will find that this doesn't work for them, that doesn't bother me, it is the story that matters. I don't go watching the shows for confirmation or negation of a paring, I use them as spring boards for ideas (scenes to 'borrow') and just to enjoy the interaction between them all. Strangely enough I find the live action films leave me cold (though one of my favourite fan fiction stories (and the gold standard of fan fiction IMO) is based on the first live action movies and is not a shelma ( Journey of Self Discovery by littlesoprano) So, that's the executive summary, not sure if it answers your question though. |
|
|
|
Post by Jinkies on May 30, 2014 23:15:32 GMT -5
In which case I apologise to Jinkies for my rather abrupt reply as I misinterpreted the question at the end. My relationship with this is probably a bit more complex so this may be a bit of a waffle (feel free to imagine some arm waving as you read). There probably is a historical narrative to this but I don't remember it, I do remember being inspired by 'Where's My Mummy' to write my own stories which is when I got into reading Fan Fiction as well. I also found that Velma was my favourite character which is why I view my stories a Velma centric. Now when I started reading fan fiction The predominate parings were Fred/Daphne and Shaggy/Velma which to me seemed more natural. I certainly found it easier to write Shelma than the others (though I have written other parings since my first stories and will do again when the mood takes me). For me parings are a tool to help tell the story, sometimes I have no need of them, other times they are central) which is why personally I'm more of a Shelma fan I'm agnostic towards explicit parings in the actual shows. So (still awake) why Shaggy and Velma? I find their characters are more adaptable, there is more plasticity there for me to work with. I'm not in a position to externalise why, I just find that they are that way for me, I just fond more dimensions to play with in that paring, for me it is a more satisfying paring. Other people will find that this doesn't work for them, that doesn't bother me, it is the story that matters. I don't go watching the shows for confirmation or negation of a paring, I use them as spring boards for ideas (scenes to 'borrow') and just to enjoy the interaction between them all. Strangely enough I find the live action films leave me cold (though one of my favourite fan fiction stories (and the gold standard of fan fiction IMO) is based on the first live action movies and is not a shelma ( Journey of Self Discovery by littlesoprano) So, that's the executive summary, not sure if it answers your question though. It's quite alright, no need to worry. Personally, I feel as if Fred and Velma would create a much better pairing as to Shaggy and Velma. I feel as if Shaggy or Velma would change to much in order for Shelma to work. This is shown in SD;MI when Velma tries to change Shaggy quite a lot. Ex: She gets him to try out new jeans instead of his trademark baggy brown pants. She opts for a striped purple pair of skinny jeans (I think they were trying for skinny jeans, but I could be wrong) that he has major difficulty walking in. If it was switched the other way Velma would have to opt for something a little more relaxed then what she usually goes for (being a person who dresses a bit like Velma I can't really describe an outfit for you) and she'd get moody about it and it just wouldn't turn out very pretty. Fred and Velma would most likely not have to budge even the slightest for me to see a pairing. In the first live action when they had to investigate together I found it just perfect. They worked very well together. They also showed their comedic sides for a change. I mean sure Shaggy and Velma have their moments, but I see them as more friendly than anything. (SD; MI I couldn't really do that obviously since they made a huge propaganda of it.) Also , Fred and Velma would give Fraphne a break. I feel as if the Warner Bros have just made a pairing and shoved it down our throats to see how much people like it. I feel like they should take a break from it, or just leave relationships to the internet. God knows that's what all other cartoons do. Parents in my opinion are okay like Brad and Judy, but when they're main characters and we have to hear about it or see it for most the show instead of focusing on the mystery at hand it gets kind of annoying. Sure a little dabbling does no harm, but when you make it one of the main focuses that's when it just goes haywire. |
|
|
|
Post by russm on May 31, 2014 15:57:22 GMT -5
This is shown in SD;MI when Velma tries to change Shaggy quite a lot. Ex: She gets him to try out new jeans instead of his trademark baggy brown pants. She opts for a striped purple pair of skinny jeans (I think they were trying for skinny jeans, but I could be wrong) that he has major difficulty walking in. Wasn't this after she'd asked advice from Daphne who told her that boys liked being told what to do? |
|
.
