|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 2, 2012 0:51:46 GMT -5
And followin my last post on my last page i have to admit Robbie Amell looks alot like a teenaged Freddie Prinze Jr. and they look more of their classic cartoony selves in the second than the first but I kind of like mystery begins than curse of the lake monster to be honest. And here's how my list goes
1. Mystery begins 2.Monsters Unleashed 3.Curse of the lake Monster 4.Scooby-doo
|
|
|
Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 6, 2012 15:49:27 GMT -5
I do view everything as being on one continuity, so I think that plays a role in why I feel the way I do.
For me, I don't see how there can be two different live-action versions of the gang. I know they are suppose to be younger in the latest two, but they do have different facial features and just look different in general.
|
|
|
Post by groovyscooby on Sept 6, 2012 16:11:49 GMT -5
I thought they were ok- not my favorites but still good overall!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 7, 2012 2:22:40 GMT -5
I understand but for me the two live action TV movies are the first serious attempt in my opinion in trying to explain how everything in the scooby-doo doo universe cartoon came to be.Also you said it yourself they are many contradictions to simply make it in the same universe (one episode said Velma went to another high school than the rest of the gang and another said they all went to the same high school, how can 2002 live action movie be the first time the gang splits up and deal with real supernatural monsters when Zombie Island basically did this, how can Monsters Unleashed say Black Knight Ghosts be their first case if they've been solving alot of cases in Pup named Scooby-Doo, how/why did they change their name from the Scooby-Doo detective agency to Mystery Inc., how do they go from their almost completely personalities in Pup named to the one in the rest of the cartoons, the different Mystery Machine origins how can you say the Mystery Inc cartoons are in the same universe when the producers flat out said that it was a reboot).
For me the LA TV movies are a perfect origin and prequel to the first 2 Scooby movies(because of the reasons I explained on the last page and I remember reading a post on You Tube saying after watching the gang break up in the 2002 movie "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place."(a valid question and the tv movies might have been to made to explain it to fans like these how they came together and why they became friends.) It's stuff like this and more which is why I think the TV movies are attempting to be a prequel to the first 2 live action movies(again I know the 2002 movie treated it like that was the first time they dealt with real supernatural beings but some of the reasons I explained on the last page and coments like the one I posted above help prove my point/reasoning ) as well prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons(Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum basically showing the Mystery Begins end when the pilot begins, the Mystery Machine being a mix of the original 1960 van as well as the 2002/Monsters Unleashed Mystery Machine, classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) , Scooby looking like a low budget version of the 1960 where are you Scooby and What's new Scoob as well as being voiced by Frank Weller who has played Scooby on many cartoons for a while, some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast).
I like how things like the original 2 movies as well as the TV movies(trying to make the cast a little more racially diverse by making Velma Asian was a good step in the right direction in my opinion), those cartoon direct to dvd movies from Zombie Island onward, the Scooby-Doo Blair Witch project parody, Mystery Inc and What's new Scooby-Doo were great attempts at bringing Scooby to the 21st century generation of kids(hated Shaggy and Scooby-doo get a clue and Pup named Scooby-doo though)
For me the cast in later 2 movies took the Scooby-Doo universe a little more serious and try to stay faithful while recreating the Scooby-Doo universe for a new generation of fans while the first 2 basically poked fun and treated the movies like a parody/behind the scenes look at the gang (not saying that's a bad thing and they movies were actually good at doing that. I'm just pointing it out.) But hey everyone has a different tastes and liking so if you don't like it you don't like it.
|
|
|
Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 8, 2012 21:57:32 GMT -5
I'm glad you are expressing how you feel on here. It's hard for me to respond to all of that at once, so I'm going to break it up by paragraph. I'm going to try to address everything you brought up though. I understand but for me the two live action TV movies are the first serious attempt in my opinion in trying to explain how everything in the scooby-doo doo universe cartoon came to be.Also you said it yourself they are many contradictions to simply make it in the same universe (one episode said Velma went to another high school than the rest of the gang and another said they all went to the same high school, how can 2002 live action movie be the first time the gang splits up and deal with real supernatural monsters when Zombie Island basically did this, how can Monsters Unleashed say Black Knight Ghosts be their first case if they've been solving alot of cases in Pup named Scooby-Doo, how/why did they change their name from the Scooby-Doo detective agency to Mystery Inc., how do they go from their almost completely personalities in Pup named to the one in the rest of the cartoons, the different Mystery Machine origins how can you say the Mystery Inc cartoons are in the same universe when the producers flat out said that it was a reboot). Even though A Pup Named SD was more on the silly/comical side, I do view it as a serious attemp in explaining how things came to be with the gang. It just makes more sense to me that the gang would have been together at a very young age. These five characters are friends with each other, not just friendly, they are friends. It would take more time for them to develop the kind of friendship they have. It doesn’t make as much sense to me that they would just met one day and all be best friends the next. There are many inconsistencies from series to series. And I don't expect everything to remain the exact same. But most of the time it is just small things. These two movies present major contradictions with most everything else Scooby-Doo. When it comes to Velma and the two schools, I believe she said "my old school" or something like that while they were going there. Maybe she just went there for one year and moved. Maybe she went to two different schools. (She is smart.) Maybe there is more than one school in the gang's hometown. Who knows? In the 2002 live-action movie, when did it say that that was the first time the gang experienced real supernatural monsters? When did Zombie Island say that it was the first time they did? Why did Fred say that the Black Knight Ghost was their "very first case" in Monsters Unleashed? I don't know. That's a good question. Maybe it's considered to be their first official case, because maybe, this was the first case to make it on the newspaper. Maybe the media incorrectly believes that the Black Knight Ghost was their first case, and the gang just goes along with it. It could be either one of those if you ask me. But I don't believe that the "Black Knight Ghost" case was the first case the gang experienced. Why did they change their name from "The Scooby-Doo Detective Agency" to "Mystery Incorporated"? Maybe they wanted to change their name because they had the first one when they were kids. Maybe they felt that "Mystery Inc." fit them better as teenagers and adults. Maybe the "Scooby-Doo Detective Agency" name just fadded away and they decided it was time for a new one. Actually it says in SDMI that they are honoring those who came before them (the original Mystery Inc.) with the new name. It doesn't say why "The Scooby-Doo Detective Agency" name was dropped though. And as far as their personality changes go, people change, they were kids in A Pup. They have been through experiences and have matured. The two different points I made about the Mystery Machine on the previous page happen to not contradict each other. It's just the van's origin according to Mystery Begins/Lake Monster is a contradiction to both. How can I say SDMI is in the same continuity when the producers have said otherwise? That is what I believe. I know it's not intended to be viewed that way, but I don't really care what anybody behind the scenes has said. I don't think that anything said behind the scenes can prove anything, especially when it comes to continuity. I look at what has been said and revealed within the episodes for proof, and there hasn't been anything to prove SDMI is on a different continuity. Really, it is up to the viewer, and what they want to believe.
|
|
|
Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 8, 2012 21:58:33 GMT -5
For me the LA TV movies are a perfect origin and prequel to the first 2 Scooby movies(because of the reasons I explained on the last page and I remember reading a post on You Tube saying after watching the gang break up in the 2002 movie "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place."(a valid question and the tv movies might have been to made to explain it to fans like these how they came together and why they became friends.) It's stuff like this and more which is why I think the TV movies are attempting to be a prequel to the first 2 live action movies(again I know the 2002 movie treated it like that was the first time they dealt with real supernatural beings but some of the reasons I explained on the last page and coments like the one I posted above help prove my point/reasoning ) as well prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons(Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum basically showing the Mystery Begins end when the pilot begins, the Mystery Machine being a mix of the original 1960 van as well as the 2002/Monsters Unleashed Mystery Machine, classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) , Scooby looking like a low budget version of the 1960 where are you Scooby and What's new Scoob as well as being voiced by Frank Weller who has played Scooby on many cartoons for a while, some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast). "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place." Why were they friends in the first place? Why is anybody friends with anybody? They get along with each other. They spent a lot of time together before that split. They just got a little tired of each other. It doesn't surprise me that they would temporarily break up. I didn't get the feeling that it was the first time the gang dealt with real supernatural beings in "Scooby-Doo" (2002). Dealing with real supernatural beings is just not the usual thing when it comes to the franchise. I don't know what you mean by the two movies being a "prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons". "Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum" I don't remember that to be honest. But I'm not saying I don't believe you. If it was in the Lake Monster movie, I only watched it once, so. I don't see how the Mystery Machine's appearance was like a mix of the other live-action movies and the animated one from Where Are You. "classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) " I don't see what your point is there. Is your point that the villain from Mystery Begins is also low budget? I don't see how those animated villians can be "low budget" for one thing. And I don't see how the villian in Mystery Begins is better for being low budget. Wouldn't things be better if more money was spent on them? I didn't think Scooby looked like how he was in Where Are You or What's New. I thought he looked very strange and very silly and goofy. His appearance just didn't seem right at all to me. "some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera" Who? Besides Frank Welker, who else did? I'm just wondering. "and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast" I realize that they tried to do some things. It just didn't work out for me. I look at the things they did as a failed attempt.
|
|
|
Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 8, 2012 21:59:12 GMT -5
I like how things like the original 2 movies as well as the TV movies(trying to make the cast a little more racially diverse by making Velma Asian was a good step in the right direction in my opinion), those cartoon direct to dvd movies from Zombie Island onward, the Scooby-Doo Blair Witch project parody, Mystery Inc and What's new Scooby-Doo were great attempts at bringing Scooby to the 21st century generation of kids(hated Shaggy and Scooby-doo get a clue and Pup named Scooby-doo though) I don't see how making Velma Asian was a step in the right direction. I don't have anything against Asian people, but Velma's not Asian, so why bring in an Asian actress to play the role? It just doesn't make sense to me. Yea, I also like all of those things you listed. There isn't anything wrong with the kids nowadays watching the classics too though. I also don't like Get A Clue. I liked A Pup though.
|
|
|
Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 8, 2012 21:59:47 GMT -5
For me the cast in later 2 movies took the Scooby-Doo universe a little more serious and try to stay faithful while recreating the Scooby-Doo universe for a new generation of fans while the first 2 basically poked fun and treated the movies like a parody/behind the scenes look at the gang (not saying that's a bad thing and they movies were actually good at doing that. I'm just pointing it out.) But hey everyone has a different tastes and liking so if you don't like it you don't like it. They might have tried to stay faithful in Mystery Begins/Lake Monster. But I don't think they did a very good job. Would there be that many contradictions if they did? The point of the movies were to explain how the gang came to be. I don't see why it was necessary to make these two movies because that, along with everything else they tried to reveal, was already revealed. I don't view the first two live-action movies as parodies. And I didn't think they were poking fun at the rest of the franchise. I don't see how the first 2 were like a behind the scenes look at the gang. I view the later two like parodies. Looking at the first two compared to the last two, I can really tell that there was a lot more work, effort, time, and money put into the first two. And rightfully so, Scooby deserves the best. You're right that everyone likes different things. I don't like the Mystery Begins/Lake Monster movies, and no one is going to convince me to. I have my reasons, and there are plenty of them. I realize that you have your reasons too, I can respect that.
|
|
|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 9, 2012 21:54:41 GMT -5
I like how things like the original 2 movies as well as the TV movies(trying to make the cast a little more racially diverse by making Velma Asian was a good step in the right direction in my opinion), those cartoon direct to dvd movies from Zombie Island onward, the Scooby-Doo Blair Witch project parody, Mystery Inc and What's new Scooby-Doo were great attempts at bringing Scooby to the 21st century generation of kids(hated Shaggy and Scooby-doo get a clue and Pup named Scooby-doo though) I don't see how making Velma Asian was a step in the right direction. I don't have anything against Asian people, but Velma's not Asian, so why bring in an Asian actress to play the role? It just doesn't make sense to me. Yea, I also like all of those things you listed. There isn't anything wrong with the kids nowadays watching the classics too though. I also don't like Get A Clue. I liked A Pup though. I'm going to do something similar to you and address each of your comment in different paragraphs only not in the order you did it. First the whole Asian Velma thing. For me it's no different from what Marvel Comics and DC Comics did with comics, cartoons and movies making originally white characters into different nationalities(Wasp/Janet Van Dyne into Asian, Liz Allen into a Latina, Wilson Fisk/Kingpin of Crime into African American, Weather Wizard/Mark Mardon into Marco Mardon ( head of a Latino Mafia family), Nick Fury into Samuel L Jackson, etc). Greg Weisman said something similar for his Spectacular Spider-man cartoons:(http://www.awn.com/articles/spider-mans-spectacular-spin) "" We are being very true to the spirit of those early [Stan] Lee/[Steve] Ditko and Lee/[John] Romita issues," Weisman says. "But we're consciously giving ourselves the freedom to change things, contemporize them, to make them more coherent and cohesive. But we never want to lose what's iconic about the characters and their look."The goal, Weisman says, is to reinterpret these great characters and concepts for our millenniun. And what differentiates a 1960s-era teen hero from a 21st-century one? "Cellphones, cellphones, cellphones," Weisman says. "The Internet. The ubiquitousness of technology (but not the non-ubiquitousness of the positive effects of radiation). A more diverse multi-cultural New York. And surprisingly little else. Some life experiences are truly universal -- like adolescence. " That's part of why I think they Asian Velma is a step in the right directions. In 1960 okay 4 white teens going to solve mysteries kind of made sense(not the mysteries part but you know what I mean) but today in a more diverse 21st century America it would make sense that Velma could be Asian instead of white(no matter how previous shows did it) besides what really matter is if they actor's personality and mannerisms is similar/exactly like previous Velma and from what I saw from the movie it self to behind the scenes with Hayley and the crew that's what they did a Velma who's only difference was nationality(kind of not a big deal to me because nationality isn't a important part of their character unlike say Black Panther/King T'Challa, Black Falcon/Sam Wilson, etc) which leads to my next point-
|
|
|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 9, 2012 22:45:25 GMT -5
For me the LA TV movies are a perfect origin and prequel to the first 2 Scooby movies(because of the reasons I explained on the last page and I remember reading a post on You Tube saying after watching the gang break up in the 2002 movie "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place."(a valid question and the tv movies might have been to made to explain it to fans like these how they came together and why they became friends.) It's stuff like this and more which is why I think the TV movies are attempting to be a prequel to the first 2 live action movies(again I know the 2002 movie treated it like that was the first time they dealt with real supernatural beings but some of the reasons I explained on the last page and coments like the one I posted above help prove my point/reasoning ) as well prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons(Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum basically showing the Mystery Begins end when the pilot begins, the Mystery Machine being a mix of the original 1960 van as well as the 2002/Monsters Unleashed Mystery Machine, classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) , Scooby looking like a low budget version of the 1960 where are you Scooby and What's new Scoob as well as being voiced by Frank Weller who has played Scooby on many cartoons for a while, some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast). "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place." Why were they friends in the first place? Why is anybody friends with anybody? They get along with each other. They spent a lot of time together before that split. They just got a little tired of each other. It doesn't surprise me that they would temporarily break up. I didn't get the feeling that it was the first time the gang dealt with real supernatural beings in "Scooby-Doo" (2002). Dealing with real supernatural beings is just not the usual thing when it comes to the franchise. I don't know what you mean by the two movies being a "prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons". "Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum" I don't remember that to be honest. But I'm not saying I don't believe you. If it was in the Lake Monster movie, I only watched it once, so. I don't see how the Mystery Machine's appearance was like a mix of the other live-action movies and the animated one from Where Are You. "classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) " I don't see what your point is there. Is your point that the villain from Mystery Begins is also low budget? I don't see how those animated villians can be "low budget" for one thing. And I don't see how the villian in Mystery Begins is better for being low budget. Wouldn't things be better if more money was spent on them? I didn't think Scooby looked like how he was in Where Are You or What's New. I thought he looked very strange and very silly and goofy. His appearance just didn't seem right at all to me. "some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera" Who? Besides Frank Welker, who else did? I'm just wondering. "and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast" I realize that they tried to do some things. It just didn't work out for me. I look at the things they did as a failed attempt. As for the first time to when the gang dealt with monsters what Fred said in 2002 they deal with men in mask not real monsters and how Fred told Scooby there are no such things as Ghosts, Goblins, Ghouls and monsters(that would be kind of hard to believe Fred would say that if the dtv movies like Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost, Cyber Chase had happen before that) and how the gang treated the zombies at first trying to figure out how the monsters did it and how Fred try to take off the Zombie's mask(Fred and Daphne speculating on weather and the crew saying that this is the first time where the gang faced real monsters instead of guys in a mask) plus also the plot of the gang breaking up in the original 60s clothes and then they band up together just in time to face real monsters and supernatural threats in Zombie Island, 2002 Movie(kind of waste of time to break up and make up and facing supernatural threats twice is a waste of time) and to an extent Mystery Begins as well as a part of the Scooby/scrappy era. I said before I felt that Pup named Scooby-Doo was a more Looney Toons style/satirize on Scooby-Doo Where Are You and only was on because of the whole "kid version of your favorite kids characters fad" at the time(Flinstone Kids, Tom and Jerry kids, Baby Looney Toons, Tiny Toons, etc) and the only questions they answered is why does Shaggy like scooby snacks(Snow Place Like Home) and where does the gang lived and that's it. Sure some of the questions had some attempts at an answer(Mystery machine) but some of the questions were never answered( As for Scooby I would say he looked that way because it was low budget Scooby so his CGI wouldn't be that good compared to the level of work on a bigger budget films that the previous Scooby was. When I say a more modern version of the where are you cartoons I mean in term of clothes and technology to help them (again the end scene(where they talk about the Black Knight Ghost/Mystery at Coolsville Museum as well as the combo of Where are you, What's new Scooby-Doo theme songs and them painting the Mystery Machine where the scenes from Where are you(Fred falling down a secret tunnel, Captain Cutler, the skull head laughing, a Monster Hand failing at grabbing Daphne, and Mystery inc looking at a laptop instead of a book) of Mystery Begins as well as some scenes in Curse of Lake monster(Fred and Daphne disguise themselves in their 60s disguise, the end scene with the Witch Doctor, Zombie from Which Witch is which?, the clown ghost/Hypnotist and the Wolf Man.)
|
|
|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 10, 2012 3:00:02 GMT -5
For me the LA TV movies are a perfect origin and prequel to the first 2 Scooby movies(because of the reasons I explained on the last page and I remember reading a post on You Tube saying after watching the gang break up in the 2002 movie "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place."(a valid question and the tv movies might have been to made to explain it to fans like these how they came together and why they became friends.) It's stuff like this and more which is why I think the TV movies are attempting to be a prequel to the first 2 live action movies(again I know the 2002 movie treated it like that was the first time they dealt with real supernatural beings but some of the reasons I explained on the last page and coments like the one I posted above help prove my point/reasoning ) as well prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons(Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum basically showing the Mystery Begins end when the pilot begins, the Mystery Machine being a mix of the original 1960 van as well as the 2002/Monsters Unleashed Mystery Machine, classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) , Scooby looking like a low budget version of the 1960 where are you Scooby and What's new Scoob as well as being voiced by Frank Weller who has played Scooby on many cartoons for a while, some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast). "Poor Shaggy;he tries to help but these three were just looking for an excuse to quit. Makes you wonder why they were friends in the first place." Why were they friends in the first place? Why is anybody friends with anybody? They get along with each other. They spent a lot of time together before that split. They just got a little tired of each other. It doesn't surprise me that they would temporarily break up. I didn't get the feeling that it was the first time the gang dealt with real supernatural beings in "Scooby-Doo" (2002). Dealing with real supernatural beings is just not the usual thing when it comes to the franchise. I don't know what you mean by the two movies being a "prequel of a more modern version of the Where are you cartoons". "Velma mentioning the Black Knight Ghost/mystery at the Coolsville Museum" I don't remember that to be honest. But I'm not saying I don't believe you. If it was in the Lake Monster movie, I only watched it once, so. I don't see how the Mystery Machine's appearance was like a mix of the other live-action movies and the animated one from Where Are You. "classic low budget Villians( Witch Doctor Ghost, Wolfman, Zombie from original scooby-doo cartoons/Monsters Unleashed, Captain Cutler) " I don't see what your point is there. Is your point that the villain from Mystery Begins is also low budget? I don't see how those animated villians can be "low budget" for one thing. And I don't see how the villian in Mystery Begins is better for being low budget. Wouldn't things be better if more money was spent on them? I didn't think Scooby looked like how he was in Where Are You or What's New. I thought he looked very strange and very silly and goofy. His appearance just didn't seem right at all to me. "some of the crew worked with Hanna-Barbera" Who? Besides Frank Welker, who else did? I'm just wondering. "and the ending of Mystery Begins being a mix of a few Scooby-Doo theme songs only with the TV movie cast" I realize that they tried to do some things. It just didn't work out for me. I look at the things they did as a failed attempt. As for the first time to when the gang dealt with monsters what Fred said in 2002 they deal with men in mask not real monsters and how Fred told Scooby there are no such things as Ghosts, Goblins, Ghouls and monsters(that would be kind of hard to believe Fred would say that if the dtv movies like Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost, Cyber Chase had happen before that) and how the gang treated the zombies at first trying to figure out how the monsters did it and how Fred try to take off the Zombie's mask(Fred and Daphne speculating on weather and the crew saying that this is the first time where the gang faced real monsters instead of guys in a mask) plus also the plot of the gang breaking up in the original 60s clothes and then they band up together just in time to face real monsters and supernatural threats in Zombie Island, 2002 Movie(kind of waste of time to break up and make up and facing supernatural threats twice is a waste of time) and to an extent Mystery Begins as well as a part of the Scooby/scrappy era. I said before I felt that Pup named Scooby-Doo was a more Looney Toons style/satirize on Scooby-Doo Where Are You and only was on because of the whole "kid version of your favorite kids characters fad" at the time(Flintstones Kids, Tom and Jerry kids, Baby Looney Toons, Tiny Toons, etc) and the only questions they answered is why does Shaggy like scooby snacks(Snow Place Like Home) and where does the gang lived and that's it. Sure some of the questions had some attempts at an answer(Mystery machine, how did shaggy and scooby and the gang meet, how does Mystery Inc come about) but some of the questions were never answered( how did scooby snacks came to be which was only shown as scooby snacks factory,where is Coolsville, etc) However Mystery Begins and Curse of the Lake Monster took time to provide explanation for everything and seeing the number of people who viewed both movies how many good reviews, especially from kids and people who love posting on the internet I would say it has done a pretty good job and was successful overall. As for Scooby I would say he looked that way because it was low budget Scooby so his CGI wouldn't be that good compared to the level of work on a bigger budget films that the previous Scooby was because the Scooby in the first 2 looks almost like a real dog and the Scooby-doo cartoon while Scooby in the TV Movies look like the Scooby in the cartoons(where are you, What's new). Plus the scene it one of the earlier trailers when someone unmasks the WN Scooby and underneath is the tv movie Scooby which looks like a 3D What's New Scooby which may have been it's intention. Plus I checked on various boards on many people besides me noticed how Scooby-Doo looks more like a real life attempt of What's new Scooby-doo cartoon When I say a more modern version of the where are you cartoons I mean in terms of clothes and more advanced technology helping them solve mysteries (again the end scene(where they talk about the Black Knight Ghost/Mystery at Coolsville Museum as well as the combo of Where are you, What's new Scooby-Doo theme songs and them painting the Mystery Machine where the scenes from Where are you(Fred falling down a secret tunnel, Captain Cutler, the skull head laughing, a Monster Hand failing at grabbing Daphne, and Mystery inc looking at a laptop instead of a book) of Mystery Begins as well as some scenes in Curse of Lake monster(Fred and Daphne disguise themselves in their 60s disguise, the end scene with the Witch Doctor from A Tiki Scare Is No Fair, Zombie from Which Witch Is Which, the clown ghost/Hypnotist from Bedlam in the Bigtop and the Wolf Man from A Gaggle of Galloping Ghosts or Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Werewolf.) some of the crew in behind the scenes said they worked with/under Hanna Barbara and knew Barbara would freak at the risks they took for all 4 live action movies I think they were trying to look more like men in mask approach but don't get me wrong I like the costumes made in Monsters Unleashed but I like that the crew took time to use the money they had in order to make costumes no matter how low budget they looked I agree with your point is even the most unlikely people can become friends but I said that this movie might be for people like the person I quoted above that were wondering how can people like the Mystery Inc from the 1st 2 live action movie(2nd movie kind of help with the whole they solved Mysteries for the fun of it which Mystery Begins showed they loved mysteries and a mystery helped them bonded) that were wondering why were the gangs friends in the first place if they broke up as easily as they did and may not be satisfied with the whole they grew up together as little kids explanation as well as people who wasn't big fans of the first 2 scooby-doo movies(I again read alot of posts and reveiws of people who were not big fans of the first 2 movies but were fans of Mystery Begins and to a lesser extent Curse of the Lake Monster as well as people who love the first 2 and didn't like Mystery begins/curse of lake monster and people who liked the first 2 and found the second 2 decent movies). As for the whole Mystery Machine in the tv movies not looking like the one in the 60s cartoon and 1960 Mystery Machine: a 1963 Ford Econoline van 2002/Monsters Unleashed Mystery Machine: The one used in SD1 is a 1972 Bedford CF while the one in Scooby-doo 2 is a 1970 Chevy G-10 Van www.flickr.com/photos/jennystench/3345616636/lightbox/www.flickr.com/photos/ercy/109065806/top10latest.com/top-10-tv-and-movie-cars/1.bp.blogspot.com/_rFETjvb_cw0/S_ovMSn3W0I/AAAAAAAAAUI/PdylPjWY0XI/s1600/DSCN3780.JPGwww.myworldshots.com/p1/m/USA/California/Hollywood/car-from-Scooby-Doo-movie-10366.jpg content7.flixster.com/question/62/82/10/6282109_std.jpg[/imgMystery Begins/Curse of the Lake Monster Mystery Machine/REVELL 1977 CHEVY VAN MODEL(Couldn't find that many pictures of this Mystery Machine online): www.behance.net/gallery/Scooby-Doo-Movie-Launches/2602139everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com/2012/09/did-you-know-scooby-doo-and-gang-are.htmlwww.flickr.com/photos/waferboard/6526022975/The Mystery Begins/Curse of the Lake Monster Mystery Machine has the color and flower scheme and the green hubcap/spare tire with the orange flower on the front of the car more resembling the original 60 Mystery Machine while the van itself was more similar to what the first 2 movies did so I would say it's pretty accurate to call it an combo of the 60s cartoon and the first 2 live action movie mystery machine . I'll answer the rest of your argument tomorrow as soon as do some more research and find more interviews, look at the behind the scene, etc.
|
|
|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 10, 2012 18:04:28 GMT -5
For me the cast in later 2 movies took the Scooby-Doo universe a little more serious and try to stay faithful while recreating the Scooby-Doo universe for a new generation of fans while the first 2 basically poked fun and treated the movies like a parody/behind the scenes look at the gang (not saying that's a bad thing and they movies were actually good at doing that. I'm just pointing it out.) But hey everyone has a different tastes and liking so if you don't like it you don't like it. They might have tried to stay faithful in Mystery Begins/Lake Monster. But I don't think they did a very good job. Would there be that many contradictions if they did? The point of the movies were to explain how the gang came to be. I don't see why it was necessary to make these two movies because that, along with everything else they tried to reveal, was already revealed. I don't view the first two live-action movies as parodies. And I didn't think they were poking fun at the rest of the franchise. I don't see how the first 2 were like a behind the scenes look at the gang. I view the later two like parodies. Looking at the first two compared to the last two, I can really tell that there was a lot more work, effort, time, and money put into the first two. And rightfully so, Scooby deserves the best. You're right that everyone likes different things. I don't like the Mystery Begins/Lake Monster movies, and no one is going to convince me to. I have my reasons, and there are plenty of them. I realize that you have your reasons too, I can respect that. Well the reason I veiw Scooby-doo 1 and 2 more as parodies is because the cast and crew has admitted that was their intention from the beginning. The film was originally set to have a much darker tone, essentially poking fun at the original series, much like The Brady Bunch Movie and was set for a PG-13 rating. Shaggy was set to be a stoner, Velma and Daphne had a side relationship, and there were many marijuana references. Several rumors about these aspects in the original cartoon series were passed around by fans of the original and were to be incorporated into the live action film. According to Sarah Michelle Gellar, after the cast had signed on there was a change and the film became more family-friendly. Some of the original adult jokes are still in the film. They are also included in deleted scenes on the home media releases.Gellar also said her character and Linda Cardellini's shared an onscreen kiss that did not make the final film. "It wasn't just, like, for fun," she said, explaining it took place in the body-switching scene. "Initially in the soul-swapping scene Velma and Daphne couldn't seem to get their souls back together in the woods. And so the way they found was to kiss and the souls went back into proper alignment." I'm not saying the cast or crew didn't had respect for the first 2 movies but alot of scenes were poking fun at the cartoons from the Shaggy stoner jokes(Mary Jane is Shaggy's favorite name, Shaggy joking about his freshman year in college, etc), Daphne being a damsel in distress, Velma being the one making the plans while Fred takes the credits, etc. but to me the cast and crew of the tv movies had just as much if not Brian Levant who was the director of the film worked closely with William Hanna and Joseph Barbera plus things like Nick Palatas/Shaggy admitting that one of his favorite cartoons was A Pup named Scooby-Doo(ironic actually) However I agree that Scooby deserve the best and the fact there is alot more effort in the first two since it's a bigger budget but there is a alot of effort and time in the second two movie which is a 75-85 minute movie compared to first 2 2 hour-2 hr 30 min movie since it's a tv movie so they could only do the best with the resources they got which I personally said they did.
|
|
|
Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 10, 2012 20:30:15 GMT -5
I'm glad you are expressing how you feel on here. It's hard for me to respond to all of that at once, so I'm going to break it up by paragraph. I'm going to try to address everything you brought up though. I understand but for me the two live action TV movies are the first serious attempt in my opinion in trying to explain how everything in the scooby-doo doo universe cartoon came to be.Also you said it yourself they are many contradictions to simply make it in the same universe (one episode said Velma went to another high school than the rest of the gang and another said they all went to the same high school, how can 2002 live action movie be the first time the gang splits up and deal with real supernatural monsters when Zombie Island basically did this, how can Monsters Unleashed say Black Knight Ghosts be their first case if they've been solving alot of cases in Pup named Scooby-Doo, how/why did they change their name from the Scooby-Doo detective agency to Mystery Inc., how do they go from their almost completely personalities in Pup named to the one in the rest of the cartoons, the different Mystery Machine origins how can you say the Mystery Inc cartoons are in the same universe when the producers flat out said that it was a reboot). Even though A Pup Named SD was more on the silly/comical side, I do view it as a serious attemp in explaining how things came to be with the gang. It just makes more sense to me that the gang would have been together at a very young age. These five characters are friends with each other, not just friendly, they are friends. It would take more time for them to develop the kind of friendship they have. It doesn’t make as much sense to me that they would just met one day and all be best friends the next. There are many inconsistencies from series to series. And I don't expect everything to remain the exact same. But most of the time it is just small things. These two movies present major contradictions with most everything else Scooby-Doo. When it comes to Velma and the two schools, I believe she said "my old school" or something like that while they were going there. Maybe she just went there for one year and moved. Maybe she went to two different schools. (She is smart.) Maybe there is more than one school in the gang's hometown. Who knows? In the 2002 live-action movie, when did it say that that was the first time the gang experienced real supernatural monsters? When did Zombie Island say that it was the first time they did? Why did Fred say that the Black Knight Ghost was their "very first case" in Monsters Unleashed? I don't know. That's a good question. Maybe it's considered to be their first official case, because maybe, this was the first case to make it on the newspaper. Maybe the media incorrectly believes that the Black Knight Ghost was their first case, and the gang just goes along with it. It could be either one of those if you ask me. But I don't believe that the "Black Knight Ghost" case was the first case the gang experienced. Why did they change their name from "The Scooby-Doo Detective Agency" to "Mystery Incorporated"? Maybe they wanted to change their name because they had the first one when they were kids. Maybe they felt that "Mystery Inc." fit them better as teenagers and adults. Maybe the "Scooby-Doo Detective Agency" name just fadded away and they decided it was time for a new one. Actually it says in SDMI that they are honoring those who came before them (the original Mystery Inc.) with the new name. It doesn't say why "The Scooby-Doo Detective Agency" name was dropped though. And as far as their personality changes go, people change, they were kids in A Pup. They have been through experiences and have matured. The two different points I made about the Mystery Machine on the previous page happen to not contradict each other. It's just the van's origin according to Mystery Begins/Lake Monster is a contradiction to both. How can I say SDMI is in the same continuity when the producers have said otherwise? That is what I believe. I know it's not intended to be viewed that way, but I don't really care what anybody behind the scenes has said. I don't think that anything said behind the scenes can prove anything, especially when it comes to continuity. I look at what has been said and revealed within the episodes for proof, and there hasn't been anything to prove SDMI is on a different continuity. Really, it is up to the viewer, and what they want to believe. As for the Pup named Scooby-doo thing I felt that Pup named Scooby-Doo was a more Looney Toons style/satirize on Scooby-Doo Where Are You and only was on because of the whole "kid version of your favorite kids characters fad" at the time(Flintstones Kids, Tom and Jerry kids, Baby Looney Toons, Tiny Toons, etc) and the only questions they answered is why does Shaggy like scooby snacks(Snow Place Like Home) and where does the gang lived and that's it. Sure some of the questions had some attempts at an answer(Mystery machine, how did shaggy and scooby and the gang meet, how does Mystery Inc come about) but some of the questions were never answered( how did scooby snacks came to be which was only shown as scooby snacks factory,where is Coolsville, etc) However Mystery Begins and Curse of the Lake Monster took time to provide explanation for everything and seeing the number of people who viewed both movies how many good reviews, especially from kids and people(especially some people who didn't think it was going to be a good movie because Fred wasn't blonde, people who didn't like the first 2 movie, etc) who love posting on the internet I would say it has done a pretty good job and was successful overall. As for the first time to when the gang dealt with monsters like I said before what Fred said in 2002 they deal with men in mask not real monsters and how Fred told Scooby there are no such things as Ghosts, Goblins, Ghouls and monsters(that would be kind of hard to believe Fred would say that if the dtv movies like Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost, Cyber Chase had happen before that) as well as Velma trying her best to unmask one of their monsters and Fred saying they deal with men in mask not real monsters which Shaggy disputing it saying they are supposed to be heroes and how the gang treated the zombies in Zombie Island at first trying to figure out how the monsters did it and how Fred try to take off the Zombie's mask(Fred and Daphne speculating on weather and the crew saying that this is the first time where the gang faced real monsters instead of guys in a mask) plus also the plot of the gang breaking up in the original 60s clothes and then they band up together just in time to face real monsters and supernatural threats in Zombie Island, 2002 Movie(kind of waste of time to break up and make up and facing supernatural threats twice is a waste of time) and to an extent Mystery Begins as well as a part of the Scooby/scrappy era. It's easy to see how SDMI is an different continuity like Crystal Cove instead of Coolsville which is shown in most cartoons, movies, etc.(Mystery Begins and Curse of The Lake Monster took it one step father and based it on the real Coolville Ohio) Also that includes the difference in parents in both names and characteristics like Shaggy's dad(not a cop like Pup's named scooby-doo), Fred's Parents(both Mayor dad and real evil parents) are completly different, plus the addition of Daphne's 4 sisters that never been seen before in any media, Vincent Van Ghoul being a Horror movie actor instead of a real supernatural walock and other differences. In fact personally I feel SDMI had more differences from usual cartoons than the tv movies did from the movies (the reasons I listed in my posts) As for Mystery Inc I honestly don't know when the name they first appeared in(maybe it was in Zombie's Island DVD or maybe before that) but Mystery Incorparated cartoons(it seems like the gang didn't go by anything before they decided to honor the Mystery Incorparted name) and Mystery Inc in the tv movies(Daphne came up with the name at the end of Curse of the Lake Monsters) has 2 different origins. As for the Mystery Machine explanation one thing(Scooby-doo behind the scene) says they were driven around by their parents untill Shaggy found the Mystery Machine Another(What's New Scooby-Doo) said Fred found the Mystery Machine from a band of kids. However the Mystery Machine origin in Mystery Begins doesn't contradict the origin the cast and crew(Sarah Michelle Gellar/Daphne Blake) said in Commentary, etc) where the Mystery Machine was owned/bought by Daphne's dad and Daphne and alot of fans accept Daphne is the owner of the mystery machine so really Mystery Begins did nothing to contradict that logic because Daphne and her dad are still the owner of the Mystery Machine it's just that Daphne dad was going give Daphne the Mystery Machine/Gardner's van when she gets her driver's license and Shaggy was the only one who can drive(he is always confirmed to be the oldest member of the gang and he could be between 16-17 years old which is usually Shaggy's confirmed age). trust me I'm not trying to make you love it. I'm just showing you why Scooby-Doo Mystery Begins/Curse of the Lake Monster is supposed to be a prequel of the first 2 movies and Where are you cartoons than any other cartoon after and except for the fact the Scooby-doo live action movie is suppose to be the first time that gang faced monsters nothing in the first 2 scooby-doo can contradict that(clubhouse in Scooby-doo 2 is their high school clubhouse and the tv movie gang meets in high school and came up with their Mystery Inc in high school vacation, the flashback they had made the kids look like teenagers, Black Knight Ghost is the first official case the gang was going to investigate at the end of Mystery Begins, etc)
|
|
|
Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 11, 2012 10:21:16 GMT -5
...so there's like 3 continuities? (Original/Live Action/SD:MI)
Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm new to this franchise (as an adult anyway) and am trying to figure it all out.
|
|
|
Post by j3h on Sept 11, 2012 12:07:15 GMT -5
...so there's like 3 continuities? (Original/Live Action/SD:MI) Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm new to this franchise (as an adult anyway) and am trying to figure it all out. Not a dumb question, and it's answer is not something everyone here will agree on. To me, live action is definitely a unique continuity. "Mystery Inc" is a unique continuity (producers have stated such as well). "Get a clue" is a unique continuity. "Laff-a-lympics" is a unique continuity. "what's New" is a seperate continuity. Most of the rest of the scooby-doo animated series can tie together, but continuity is not strict. Some divide series that involve men in masks as separate from series that involve real ghosts and monsters. Again other members here will view it differently so ultimately it's up to you. I'm sure you'll find some pretty lengthy diatribes concerning opinions on continuity throughout the forum if looking for various view points.
|
|