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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 14:27:12 GMT -5
...so there's like 3 continuities? (Original/Live Action/SD:MI) Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm new to this franchise (as an adult anyway) and am trying to figure it all out. Yea, that's not a dumb question at all. But it's not something that has a definite answer. Different people view it different ways. Some people believe each series is on a different continiuity, and others, like me, believe it is all on one. And some people, view some things on one continuity, and other things on another. All of the contradictions in Mystery Begins and Lake Monster, (there are a lot), lead me to not believe in those movies at all. But if you do want to accept them into the franchise, I really don't see how they could be on the same continuity with anything else. Other people may have different opinions, but that's how I feel. I personally don't see how all 4 of the live-action movies could be on one continuity together. Mystery Begins and Lake Monster have different actors and actresses than the first two did. Therefore, the characters have different facial features, etc. When it comes to SDMI, the producers have said that it is on a separate continuity. However, I don't believe anything said behind the scenes can prove anything. I look at what has been said within the episodes for proof. There are things in the series that might suggest it is on a different continuity, but there are also things that could connect it with other shows in the franchise. Really, it is up to the viewer, and what they want to believe.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 14:40:50 GMT -5
"what's New" is a seperate continuity. Why do you view What's New SD as being on a separate continuity j3h? (I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs. I'm just wondering.)
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Post by russm on Sept 11, 2012 15:38:20 GMT -5
...so there's like 3 continuities? (Original/Live Action/SD:MI) Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm new to this franchise (as an adult anyway) and am trying to figure it all out. There are two general 'schools of thought' here. One is to treat the various shows/series as belonging to multiple continuities/universes the other is to treat them as one long continuity. You pays your money and takes your choice (you can of course pay me and I'll make the choice for you :-))
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 11, 2012 15:38:43 GMT -5
Well I don't know how different actors would equal a different continuity. Katie Holmes was replaced in the 2nd new Batman film but that was in continuity with the one Katie Holmes was in.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 15:48:08 GMT -5
Well I don't know how different actors would equal a different continuity. Katie Holmes was replaced in the 2nd new Batman film but that was in continuity with the one Katie Holmes was in. You can believe whatever you want to, but I don't see how it doesn't make it a different continuity. I don't know very much about Batman, but with this, we're talking about 5 characters having a different live-action appearance.
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Post by j3h on Sept 11, 2012 16:16:34 GMT -5
"what's New" is a seperate continuity. Why do you view What's New SD as being on a separate continuity j3h? (I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs. I'm just wondering.) The leap in time period, tech & general feel. The change in Fred's personality, and non-acknowledgement of classic cases when faced in a similar situation (loc ness for example). Once one is in the mentality to separate series out, it's easy to view "What's New" as a early 2000s modernized reboot. On the flip side, one viewing all as a single continuity will probably find the least amount of contradictions to exclude it.
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 11, 2012 16:19:50 GMT -5
That's what I'm talking about. It's a character who is played by a different actress in the first film than in the second, but it's the same continuity. Continuity just being a series of film/tv shows/books/whathaveyou that follow the same timeline without contradiction. Different actors have played all sorts of characters that are in the same continuity (James Bond for instance)
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Post by j3h on Sept 11, 2012 16:28:17 GMT -5
I personally don't see how all 4 of the live-action movies could be on one continuity together. Mystery Begins and Lake Monster have different actors and actresses than the first two did. Therefore, the characters have different facial features, etc. Just curious, in your opinion if different appearances in live action means they can't be the same continuity, why would different animation styles be allowed to be? I would think by that logic if i'm understanding it correctly the drastic style change and replacement of several key voice actors would then make it impossible for SD:MI to be in the same universe as classic "where are you?"
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 16:33:28 GMT -5
That's what I'm talking about. It's a character who is played by a different actress in the first film than in the second, but it's the same continuity. Continuity just being a series of film/tv shows/books/whathaveyou that follow the same timeline without contradiction. Different actors have played all sorts of characters that are in the same continuity (James Bond for instance) All 4 of them are not on the same timeline though. The first two are 2002 and 2004, and the other two were made years later and are CN, made for TV movies.
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Post by mekagojira3k on Sept 11, 2012 16:44:42 GMT -5
But those were intended to be prequels. It doesn't matter when they were made.
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Post by j3h on Sept 11, 2012 16:54:21 GMT -5
All 4 of them are not on the same timeline though. The first two are 2002 and 2004, and the other two were made years later and are CN, made for TV movies. Pup named scooby do came out after classic scoob and on a different network...so that would then make them completely separate?
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 16:58:30 GMT -5
I personally don't see how all 4 of the live-action movies could be on one continuity together. Mystery Begins and Lake Monster have different actors and actresses than the first two did. Therefore, the characters have different facial features, etc. Just curious, in your opinion if different appearances in live action means they can't be the same continuity, why would different animation styles be allowed to be? I would think by that logic if i'm understanding it correctly the drastic style change and replacement of several key voice actors would then make it impossible for SD:MI to be in the same universe as classic "where are you?" That's a good question, and it makes sense that you would ask that. I don't see the different live-action appearances the same as I do the animated. With the animated, I just view it as each show having it's own style. The characters don't necessarily have different facial features in the different shows, it's just shown in a different ways- "What's New" has its own style, same with SDMI, etc. But both sets of live-action movies have the same background and everything. It's like it takes place in the real world. They are shown in the same way when it comes to style, but the characters look different. It's something that's hard for me to explain, but I hope you understood what I said there.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 17:06:39 GMT -5
But those were intended to be prequels. It doesn't matter when they were made. All 4 of them are not on the same timeline though. The first two are 2002 and 2004, and the other two were made years later and are CN, made for TV movies. Pup named scooby do came out after classic scoob and on a different network...so that would then make them completely separate? I was just thinking that mekagojira3k was thinking they were made 4 years in a row or something, so that's why I said that. I said "but they're not on the same timeline" because I thought mekagojira3k was thinking that they were made 4 years in a row.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 17:51:41 GMT -5
Just curious, in your opinion if different appearances in live action means they can't be the same continuity, why would different animation styles be allowed to be? I would think by that logic if i'm understanding it correctly the drastic style change and replacement of several key voice actors would then make it impossible for SD:MI to be in the same universe as classic "where are you?" That's a good question, and it makes sense that you would ask that. I don't see the different live-action appearances the same as I do the animated. With the animated, I just view it as each show having it's own style. The characters don't necessarily have different facial features in the different shows, it's just shown in a different ways- "What's New" has its own style, same with SDMI, etc. But both sets of live-action movies have the same background and everything. It's like it takes place in the real world. They are shown in the same way when it comes to style, but the characters look different. It's something that's hard for me to explain, but I hope you understood what I said there. I'm going to try to explain more of what I meant there, because I think it might have gotten a bit confusing. Even though each show has it's own animation style, I view them all as being on one continuity. When a show has a different style, they aren't just showing the characters differently, they have a different animation style for the whole show. When it comes to Mystery Begins/Lake Monster it's like they are using the live-action style, but just changing the characters' appearances. When the 2002 and 2004 movies came, it was like showing the live-action version of the characters. It was like "This is how the characters would appear in the real world.". So how can there be the 2002 and 2004 characters in live-action form and the Mystery Begins/Lake Monster characters in live-action form in one continuity? All four movies are in live-action style, but the characters have different facial features in 2 of them. The part I made bold is the part that I think explains how I feel the best. Does that make sense at all?
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 18:09:36 GMT -5
I don't see how there can be more than one live-action version of the characters on one continuity because when there are different animated versions, the characters' appearances fit with the show/movie it is in.
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