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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Apr 20, 2015 18:56:36 GMT -5
I think the Hannah-Barbera and Warner Brothers timelines are different universes though. I also think right after the first Scooby and Scrappy-Doo show (with the whole gang) the HB timeline jumps right into The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show and next it jumps into 13 Ghosts which the HB timeline ends here.
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Post by scoobnick on Apr 20, 2015 22:27:01 GMT -5
where each time line ends and starts really comes down to personal opinion. continuity has never really been a highlighted point in scoobys history through the various shows movies etc. plotlines come and go as needed.
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Post by 24994j on Apr 20, 2015 23:10:09 GMT -5
We had a discussion like this floating around a few years ago that existed alongside this thread that had a lot of well-developed opinions relating to continuity ( scoobyaddicts.proboards.com/thread/1194/which-believe), and this is the response I gave. Convoluted and a little scattered, but I tried to put things on one timeline to the best of my ability, preferring 'APNSD' as a starting point. I admit, there are many plot holes and intricacies along the way, but there is reasonable plausibility here. I'm a little late to the party on this one, and my response may get a little long-winded...so you've all been warned I agree with the idea that "Pup" is the (un)official beginning of the Scooby universe...but I've kind of grouped things together by the perceived ages and personal development of the characters. Also, each era of programming seems to have a certain chronology to it, one that many of you will not agree with, and I respect that. Here it goes... ERA 1: (Pre-Teen)- "A Pup Named SD" ERA 2: (Teen-Early 20s)- "Where are You?": the kids are teens, about 15-17 (Velma youngest, Fred able to drive, Shag most likely oldest). - "New SD Movies": similar to "Where are You?" in age, personalities, etc...just with celebrities. - "SD Show": I aged them out of high school at this point (20ish)...their horizons clearly broadened, they go international on many occasions, and frankly, I see them as being a little more mature in this series. The mysteries also seem to last a little longer, not necessarily wrapped up in one day/night. - As time goes on, Scrappy gets phased in, Fred, Daphne and Velma phased out. Let's say they go onto other personal endeavors...which gets addressed at Scooby's birthday/"This is your Life" special. I'm ignoring the premise of Daphne returning or the addition of Flim-Flam, but exploring the Shaggy-Scooby-Scrappy concept. What happens after "Reluctant Werewolf" (Scrappy's farewell) is anybody's guess... ERA 3: (Early-Late 20s)- "What's New SD?": no school references, characters far more developed and (arguably) more mature. - DTV Movies, "Legend of the Vampire"-Present: most of these films were produced in the style of WNSD and can be implied as taking place concurrently. The newer-animation films can be grouped here too, as there has not been any significant personality differences between the two styles. I wouldn't put these movies in any particular order though, for some events contradict each other (Fraphne evolution is an example, but not at all a factor in my overall theory). ERA 4: (30-ish)- Despite being made nearly 15 years ago, the first four DTV movies still remain as the gold standard of the Scooby universe; from the maturity and development of the characters, to the high quality animation/production values and the overall climatic nature that they brought to the entire franchise at the time has gone virtually unchallenged since. Alternate/Uncategorizable Eras:- Live-Action Films: I'm only talking about the first two films, I'd put them in the same time period as Era 4 (a different approach to the gang's reunion), but could easily be placed prior to Era 3 (seeing as it contributed to the revitalization of the franchise). - "Shaggy and SD Get a Clue": not going there...but maybe in the Fredaplhma-less period, seeing as they made very few appearances. -"Mystery Incorporated": makes references to all other eras in some form, most closely resembles a post-"Where are You?" world, but until we know how it ends, it cannot be placed anywhere in the overall timeline I've compiled. I also understand that SDMI is allegedly an entirely different universe, so that complicates placement. Seeing how 'Mystery Incorporated' ended, I still think that it took place in an alternate universe, taking place after 'SDWAY'. Also, I'm putting 'Be Cool' into a similar holding pattern, as we've seen a reference to the original series, but whether it takes place concurrently, following, or alternatively to 'SDWAY' is unclear, of course.
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 21, 2015 3:08:11 GMT -5
I don't think i'm in this thread but so have made this comment elsewhere on the page.
The answer I give to everyone on this remains as it is. Scooby Doo in itself is a product of it's creator's world. To which it has crossed over multiple times and been referenced too, so that in theory they must all be connected.
The problem with this is that we live in a current world where the word "canon" and "continuity" mean a lot to people, but in truth for a lot of people a long time ago this wasn't ever a big deal. (Even before there was tv, go read Mark Twain's Tom Sawyer sequels, those aren't actually solid on continuity)
The clear mantra of the studio back when they worked at MGM, when they worked on their own, and their sister-studio spin off, all adhere to is pretty much "continuity when you need it, none when you don't."
That being said it is wrong to say their shows don't have any continuity because yes at times it does pop up. And it would also be wrong to say they have a strict continuity because at times it changes by the episode.
For real world, that's all you really need. If you want to over-fan-think it, the way I think of it has been a faulty time-line. As if all those show's exist in the same world, all the character's that affect reality and time travel simply can not be healthy. So it's not that the writer's ever bungled the continuity, it's just that's what the continuity was, at that point in time as it's constantly in flux and prone to changes. This might as well excuse everything on nearly all their shows.
However I've been vocal about my dislike of MI, and this being one of them. As some people interpret the ending to say they rebooted their world into the old one. Which of course would be blatantly impossible if we assume the previous paragraph. As a world that's constantly in flux couldn't have an event just reset everything in one go, it would be changing all the time, not from the gang interacting with Nibiru.
To me I just consider all the animated stuff minus MI in that flux time stream that sometimes uses continuity and other times don't and just roll with it. The Scooby wiki, also discounts Get a Clue to it's own version. But I didn't really watch enough of that incarnation to know if there's a reason for that, other than people just didn't like it that much.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Apr 21, 2015 21:35:09 GMT -5
We had a discussion like this floating around a few years ago that existed alongside this thread that had a lot of well-developed opinions relating to continuity ( scoobyaddicts.proboards.com/thread/1194/which-believe), and this is the response I gave. Convoluted and a little scattered, but I tried to put things on one timeline to the best of my ability, preferring 'APNSD' as a starting point. I admit, there are many plot holes and intricacies along the way, but there is reasonable plausibility here. I'm a little late to the party on this one, and my response may get a little long-winded...so you've all been warned I agree with the idea that "Pup" is the (un)official beginning of the Scooby universe...but I've kind of grouped things together by the perceived ages and personal development of the characters. Also, each era of programming seems to have a certain chronology to it, one that many of you will not agree with, and I respect that. Here it goes... ERA 1: (Pre-Teen)- "A Pup Named SD" ERA 2: (Teen-Early 20s)- "Where are You?": the kids are teens, about 15-17 (Velma youngest, Fred able to drive, Shag most likely oldest). - "New SD Movies": similar to "Where are You?" in age, personalities, etc...just with celebrities. - "SD Show": I aged them out of high school at this point (20ish)...their horizons clearly broadened, they go international on many occasions, and frankly, I see them as being a little more mature in this series. The mysteries also seem to last a little longer, not necessarily wrapped up in one day/night. - As time goes on, Scrappy gets phased in, Fred, Daphne and Velma phased out. Let's say they go onto other personal endeavors...which gets addressed at Scooby's birthday/"This is your Life" special. I'm ignoring the premise of Daphne returning or the addition of Flim-Flam, but exploring the Shaggy-Scooby-Scrappy concept. What happens after "Reluctant Werewolf" (Scrappy's farewell) is anybody's guess... ERA 3: (Early-Late 20s)- "What's New SD?": no school references, characters far more developed and (arguably) more mature. - DTV Movies, "Legend of the Vampire"-Present: most of these films were produced in the style of WNSD and can be implied as taking place concurrently. The newer-animation films can be grouped here too, as there has not been any significant personality differences between the two styles. I wouldn't put these movies in any particular order though, for some events contradict each other (Fraphne evolution is an example, but not at all a factor in my overall theory). ERA 4: (30-ish)- Despite being made nearly 15 years ago, the first four DTV movies still remain as the gold standard of the Scooby universe; from the maturity and development of the characters, to the high quality animation/production values and the overall climatic nature that they brought to the entire franchise at the time has gone virtually unchallenged since. Alternate/Uncategorizable Eras:- Live-Action Films: I'm only talking about the first two films, I'd put them in the same time period as Era 4 (a different approach to the gang's reunion), but could easily be placed prior to Era 3 (seeing as it contributed to the revitalization of the franchise). - "Shaggy and SD Get a Clue": not going there...but maybe in the Fredaplhma-less period, seeing as they made very few appearances. -"Mystery Incorporated": makes references to all other eras in some form, most closely resembles a post-"Where are You?" world, but until we know how it ends, it cannot be placed anywhere in the overall timeline I've compiled. I also understand that SDMI is allegedly an entirely different universe, so that complicates placement. Seeing how 'Mystery Incorporated' ended, I still think that it took place in an alternate universe, taking place after 'SDWAY'. Also, I'm putting 'Be Cool' into a similar holding pattern, as we've seen a reference to the original series, but whether it takes place concurrently, following, or alternatively to 'SDWAY' is unclear, of course. I don't think i'm in this thread but so have made this comment elsewhere on the page. The answer I give to everyone on this remains as it is. Scooby Doo in itself is a product of it's creator's world. To which it has crossed over multiple times and been referenced too, so that in theory they must all be connected. The problem with this is that we live in a current world where the word "canon" and "continuity" mean a lot to people, but in truth for a lot of people a long time ago this wasn't ever a big deal. (Even before there was tv, go read Mark Twain's Tom Sawyer sequels, those aren't actually solid on continuity) The clear mantra of the studio back when they worked at MGM, when they worked on their own, and their sister-studio spin off, all adhere to is pretty much "continuity when you need it, none when you don't." That being said it is wrong to say their shows don't have any continuity because yes at times it does pop up. And it would also be wrong to say they have a strict continuity because at times it changes by the episode. For real world, that's all you really need. If you want to over-fan-think it, the way I think of it has been a faulty time-line. As if all those show's exist in the same world, all the character's that affect reality and time travel simply can not be healthy. So it's not that the writer's ever bungled the continuity, it's just that's what the continuity was, at that point in time as it's constantly in flux and prone to changes. This might as well excuse everything on nearly all their shows. However I've been vocal about my dislike of MI, and this being one of them. As some people interpret the ending to say they rebooted their world into the old one. Which of course would be blatantly impossible if we assume the previous paragraph. As a world that's constantly in flux couldn't have an event just reset everything in one go, it would be changing all the time, not from the gang interacting with Nibiru. To me I just consider all the animated stuff minus MI in that flux time stream that sometimes uses continuity and other times don't and just roll with it. The Scooby wiki, also discounts Get a Clue to it's own version. But I didn't really watch enough of that incarnation to know if there's a reason for that, other than people just didn't like it that much. The canon Hannah Barbera events were obviously altered and modernized in Mystery Incorporated. I also made a timeline for both HB and WB timelines on the previous page of this thread but I updated them. The continuity could be anyone's opinion. Hannah Barbera-Scooby-Doo Where Are You? -The New Scooby-Doo Movies -The Scooby-Doo Show -Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo -The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show -The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries -The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo (End of timeline) Note: I'm not including the Scrappy-Doo shorts and the Superstars 10 Movies as canon to the main timeline and putting them as their own stories. Warner Brothers (Ugh) -A Pup Named Scooby-Doo -Scooby-Doo Where Are You? -The New Scooby-Doo Movies -2003 DTVs -Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo -What's New Scooby-Doo -Current DTVs -1998-2001 DTVs (These are set in the feature) Note: The events of TNS&SDS/New Mysteries/13 Ghosts are not included this timeline. Non-Canon/Alternate Universe-Parodies -Scrappy-Doo shorts -Superstars 10 Movies -Johnny Bravo Crossover -Harvey Birdman -Live Action Movies -Get a Clue -Mystery Incorporated -Be Cool
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 22, 2015 3:57:45 GMT -5
I don't see it in that fashion but you may want to rename the one section as A Pup Named Scooby Doo had nothing to do with Warner Brothers. It was finished before Turner bought Hanna Barbera which in turn was a few years before Time Warner and Turner merged.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Apr 22, 2015 17:25:57 GMT -5
The reason why A Pup Named Scooby-Doo is in the Warner Brothers timeline is because one of the What's New episodes showed a flash bank to it.
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Post by reallifeshaggyrogers on Oct 31, 2016 16:24:02 GMT -5
My personal canon for Scooby Doo Contains only three tv shows one live action movie and the DTVMs and DTVSs from 1998-present
First Pre Teen Years A Pup Named Scooby Doo and Scooby Doo Adventures The Mystery Map
then the gang grows apart and scooby and shaggy get seperated long enough to not reconize each other as with the rest of the gang and then we get to high school
Scooby Doo the Mystery Begins (is here despite that it takes place in modern day america it still makes sense for my personal timeline cause it sets up the first case from SDWAY)
Scooby Doo Where Are You is their last two years of high school(Season 1 and 2) and their first year after high school (Season 3)
post high school the Gang spends time apart and have jobs and life things
Scooby Doo DTVMs 1998-2001
Gang after Scooby Doo and the Cyber Chase
Whats New Scooby Doo and the DTVMs from 2003-2009 (to fix the Mystery Machine incident Daphne"s parents bought the Van from the Band Mentioned in the Episode Its Mean Its Green its teh Mystery Machine but painted over its design and then Mystery Inc then repainted it to the current design at the end of Mystery Begins when the gang began to use it based on Daphne's memories from before it was painted light green )
Present DTVMs DTVSs from 2010-present
this i just my opinion since i dont personally count a few things mainly the TV shows after SDWAY to both APNSD and WNSD as well as the tv shows after WNSD and the TV specials and animated TV movies they just don't fit in my opinion as well as what i have listed also the Video Games and Lego Shorts on youtube don't count and the other three live action moives but thats just my Opinion
Abbreviation Key
SDWAY - Scooby Doo Where Are You APNSD - A Pup Named Scooby Doo WNSD - What's New Scooby Doo DTVM - Direct To Video Movies DTVS - Direct To Video Specials
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