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Post by vakanai on Jul 10, 2020 18:17:31 GMT -5
There have been multiple attempts at live action films over the years, largely unsuccessful, but just for fun let's say WB/AT&T decided to make a live action Scooby Doo series for their new HBO Max streaming service or whatever. What would you like to see from such a show? Any actors, writers, directors, composers you want them to get? Any length you want the show or series to be (half an hour, hour long, mini-series, 10-12 episodes, full 24 episode seasons, etc?)? Tone? Style? More episodic or connected season long arch? How would you want to see it done?
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Post by creeper1 on Jul 10, 2020 20:23:28 GMT -5
I want a live action drama. Maybe a modernized version of Craig Titley's 1996 script as the pilot. And they better not do the new Velma that denies anything can possibly be supernatural.
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Post by barneynedward on Jul 10, 2020 22:31:33 GMT -5
I want a live action drama. Maybe a modernized version of Craig Titley's 1996 script as the pilot. And they better not do the new Velma that denies anything can possibly be supernatural. Personally I'd make it a mystery comedy like Psych. I would even try to create new running gags that could only work in live action.
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Post by russm on Jul 11, 2020 5:11:41 GMT -5
There is a problem with live action remakes of cartoons, and it's a big one Once you move into the real of real physics e.g. real bodies, real gravity, real materials, real perspective... The whole cartoon edifice comes crumbling down. Now there is a solution if you have very deep pockets, CGI 1. The per-episode cost of using CGI/models to make up the 'physics gap' between what you do in a cartoon and what you can to in a live-action would be prohibitive. The real problem is what do you do about Scooby, use are real dog, throw buckets of money at getting a CGI Scooby that works, go talk nicely to Boston Dynamics about doing a Scooby version of their Spot robot? So unless Jeff Bezos suddenly becomes a fanatical Scooby hungry for a live-action TV-series fan what do you do? The answer is, you don't. The live action takes place purly in the physical world, with your effects budget focussed on key things. So the show becomes like The Expanse, Supernatural, Stranger Things, Tales from the Loop, Dr Who, Red Dwarf... You save the effects for when they are needed. Now technology has come on leaps and bounds since the first live-action movie which helps but you have to be prudent with your effects budget. Another factor is the writing, moving into live action, real actors, real expressions means the focus on the characters, their interactions and emotions becomes all the more important. In a cartoon you are limited in the range of experssions you can economically give the characters, with real prople those experssions come for free. So the bigger factor is not the effects as that's a technical problem and clever people always find a way around that, it's the writing. And given the current state of character/story writing in the Scooby universe the less said about that the better. That said a spooky version of the X-Files would be my preferred option with at 50/50 mix between horror and humour, and no toxic relatioships like SD:MI. 1Other methods of special effects are availble. Ray Harryhausen did ground-breaking work with models as did ILM and others.
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Post by vakanai on Jul 11, 2020 8:10:39 GMT -5
For Scooby, I'd probably do something like Birds of Prey. In that film Harley Quinn has a pet hyena. Of course it was CGI, but it was CGI laid over a real German Shepherd. I think a real Great Dane and some relatively speaking cheap CGI to animate the head when talking could give a good Scooby while staying in a reasonable budget.
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Post by MrDracul on Jul 11, 2020 8:36:41 GMT -5
I think Shaggy would be the hardest character to cast because out of the four characters he has the most cartoony personality and physique. Fred, Daphne, and Velma are easier to cast since basically all three play straight man to Shaggy. That's why Matt Lillard was so perfect, he could really capture that exaggerated personality.
I'm not sure there's an actor working right now who could be a great Shaggy.
Actually Charlie Day would make a great Shaggy. But then you have to cast the entire gang as washed up adults. Honestly they should just cast everyone from It's Always Sunny for a Scooby Doo show.
Shaggy - Charlie
Scooby - Mac
Daphne - Dee
Fred - Dennis
Velma - Danny Devito
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Post by russm on Jul 11, 2020 8:52:30 GMT -5
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Post by MrDracul on Jul 11, 2020 8:54:15 GMT -5
Well, okay, The Waitress can be Velma. Mac and Frank can be Scooby together, using an awkward dog costume.
But I'm only joking. I still think Charlie Day would make for a good Shaggy though.
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Post by barneynedward on Jul 11, 2020 9:56:49 GMT -5
I want a live action drama. Maybe a modernized version of Craig Titley's 1996 script as the pilot. And they better not do the new Velma that denies anything can possibly be supernatural. Personally I'd make it a mystery comedy like Psych. I would even try to create new running gags that could only work in live action.
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Post by russm on Jul 11, 2020 10:41:57 GMT -5
Well, okay, The Waitress can be Velma. Mac and Frank can be Scooby together, using an awkward dog costume. But I'm only joking. I still think Charlie Day would make for a good Shaggy though. Error 404: Cultural reference not found. No idea what show or who the people you are talking about are, the only name I recognised was Danny DeVito.
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Post by MrDracul on Jul 11, 2020 10:45:52 GMT -5
Ah, I apologize, it's just a show he plays in. I've had too much coffee so excuse the rambling.
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Post by Doo on Jul 11, 2020 18:30:27 GMT -5
I would absolutely watch an episode of this just for the pure absurdity of it lol.
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Post by creeper1 on Jul 11, 2020 19:50:13 GMT -5
Any casting ideas? I'm thinking Sean Depner from Riverdale and Deadly Class as Fred. And maybe some newcomers as the others.
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Post by wileyk209 on Jul 11, 2020 21:21:53 GMT -5
To be honest, I feel like live-action is kind of a restrictive format for Scooby Doo. You lose the ability to pull off all those wonderful animation gags. Well of course, "What's New, Scooby-Doo?" barely had ANY animation gags, and actually felt a lot like a live-action teen sitcom at times instead of a cartoon. Of course, The WB was also known for its' teen sitcoms back then. And "Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated" also felt a lot more realistic instead of like a cartoon, but then you have all of those fantasy elements and the explosions and stuff that'd be difficult to regularly pull off in a live-action TV show, compared to a big-budget theatrical Hollywood movie.
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Post by creeper1 on Jul 11, 2020 21:41:24 GMT -5
Each episode should be an hour long.
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