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Post by russm on May 17, 2020 13:39:59 GMT -5
This is why I prefer just Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne. This group is easy to write with. You don't have to deal with any of the characters being pushed to the side or being out of character. It's not difficult to write for multiple characters, even the writers of Peppa Pig can carry that off. These folk are supposed to be professional writers after all.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on May 17, 2020 14:56:02 GMT -5
This is why I prefer just Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne. This group is easy to write with. You don't have to deal with any of the characters being pushed to the side or being out of character. It's not difficult to write for multiple characters, even the writers of Peppa Pig can carry that off. These folk are supposed to be professional writers after all. I know. It's just mostly Scooby that has this problem.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on May 17, 2020 15:10:07 GMT -5
It's not difficult to write for multiple characters, even the writers of Peppa Pig can carry that off. These folk are supposed to be professional writers after all. I know. It's just mostly Scooby that has this problem. The problem was built in from the beginning. Joe and Ken could have fleshed out Fred and Daphne if they wanted to but they didn't.
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Post by kon on May 17, 2020 17:19:52 GMT -5
This is why I prefer just Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne. This group is easy to write with. You don't have to deal with any of the characters being pushed to the side or being out of character. However, Daphne wasn't written with more depth or receive more focus in that group (she was still relegated compared to Scooby, Shaggy and Scrappy). Fred or Velma could fill the same role. In fact, Daphne's behavior and role in that group weren't so different from Fred in the original group. Daphne just look better due to reasons not related to the writing quality. She was the only "sane man" in this group and she was the leader (when that was pretty uncommon for a female character). Also, the lack of Velma makes her look more competent that Fred look in the original group.
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Post by elemage on May 17, 2020 20:51:06 GMT -5
Might as well do a detailed review of the movie, since I'm watching it right now:
- The way Shaggy and Scooby met was pretty forced. They could've just had Scooby, a stray dog, wandering the beach, and the cop enforcing leash laws or something. Instead, Scooby stole a ham and instead of hauling him off to the pound, the cop just lets him go because the law says he has to if he's got a owner? LOL wut?
- I also think Shaggy meeting Fred, Velma and Daphne literally the same day he met Scooby is a little forced too. I mean, who meets their entire circle of friends in one day in real life?
- However, as soon as Shaggy does meet Scooby or the trio, I loved it. The first 13 and a half minutes of this movie are PERFECT.
- And then Simon Cowell shows up. Are we back in 2005? Also, dear God. Why make me suffer through Will Forte's Shaggy's horrible singing?
- I do like that someone FINALLY pointed out how utterly useless Shaggy and Scooby are to the team. Best friends or not, they provide absolutely nothing other than chaos. Unfortunately the only reason they'd actually call it out is because this movie will obviously show why they ARE "useful".
- I liked the Takamoto Bowl sequence, and how deeply the others care about Shaggy and Scooby. But then Shaggy and Scooby got abducted by the Blue Falcon and I knew I wouldn't see Mystery Inc. together until the end. YAWN.
- Brian is hot AF, but wow, he's about as interesting as S&S are by themselves. (AKA not very)
- I hate how utterly incompetent Brian is, and I wish the entire Gang was together.
- Shaggy is so insecure and annoying throughout this whole ordeal, I wish he would've stayed behind with Fred, Daphne and Velma. Then again, Shaggy's always been the WORST.
- Ew, I did not need to see pterodactyl poop.
- Shaggy's emotional copyright is so forced and so annoying. I hate Shaggy usually, but I definitely hate him here.
- At leas the movie starts hitting that sweet spot again once all of Mystery Inc. is back together, even if Scooby's with Dick.
- I thought they were going to reveal that Shaggy was also a descendant; of Alexander the Great, thus allowing him to do the lock with Scooby. That solves both the problem of him thinking he's useless, as well as keeping him and Scooby equals.
Final thoughts:
Will Forte was a horrible choice. I have no complaints about Gina Rodriguez, she was fine. Zac Efron was so... stiff. Amanda Seyfried was easily the standout cast member. But they should've just carried over Frank, Grey, Matt and Kate (well, ideally it would be the return of Mindy, but we all know they'd have used Kate if they'd used the regular cast). Let's be honest. I think one of my favorite movie reviewers said it best; it's a great Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe movie, but a horrible Scooby-Doo movie. And I furiously agree. This is not a Mystery Incorporated movie, it's a Blue Falcon/Scooby team-up movie. Fred, Daphne and Velma are relegated to the C-plot for most of the movie (with the B-plot being Dick Dastardly, and the A-plot being the Falcon Fury crew), Shaggy is insufferable, and Scooby didn't need him there at all.
The sad part is there were a handful of changes that could've saved this movie from jump; have Shaggy be left behind by Blue Falcon. Not only does this test Shaggy and Scooby's friendship in a more real way, we've never seen Scooby be by himself for an entire movie. Have Shaggy be descended from Alexander the Great; not only does this add an element of fate into Shaggy and Scooby's friendship, it also makes Shaggy an equal partner in the prophecy instead of making it all about Scooby. Y'know, since they're co-leads. Instead of having Dick Dastardly yeet Mystery Inc. off of his ship, they could've escaped on their own merits while on the island, which could still end up with Scooby being captured. And the final battle shouldn't have involved Blue Falcon at all, it should've been Mystery Inc. doing what they do best.
It's a cute movie, but this isn't Mystery Inc.
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Post by elemage on May 17, 2020 21:03:08 GMT -5
The franchise forgot it was supposed to be about more than just Shaggy and Scooby All the way back in 1969. Even in the earliest episodes Fred, Daphne and Velma were treated like afterthoughts Who existed simply to give The otherwise slapstick comedy franchise the illusion of being a mystery series. This actually stared around The Scooby-Doo Show. Velma was given plenty of screen time in WAY. Joe and Ken have admitted in one interview that they didn't like writing for Fred and Daphne. You're 100% right. WAY and TNSDMo treat the entire group as a team, and while Fred and Daphne are very much boring in those days they do get ample screentime. It wasn't until TSDS that they really started to focus on Shaggy and Scooby. Which makes sense, since TSDS aired around the same time as Laff-A-Lympics, which of course only featured S&S. I would say that S&S started being focused on (and subsequently Flanderized) in TSDS, while Daphne got her due in TNS&SDS onward, and Fred finally started getting fleshed out starting in APNSD. Velma was fleshed out from jump, but they didn't really start giving her more depth until WNSD.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on May 17, 2020 22:42:52 GMT -5
The sad part is there were a handful of changes that could've saved this movie from jump; have Shaggy be left behind by Blue Falcon. Not only does this test Shaggy and Scooby's friendship in a more real way, we've never seen Scooby be by himself for an entire movie. Have Shaggy be descended from Alexander the Great; not only does this add an element of fate into Shaggy and Scooby's friendship, it also makes Shaggy an equal partner in the prophecy instead of making it all about Scooby. Y'know, since they're co-leads. Instead of having Dick Dastardly yeet Mystery Inc. off of his ship, they could've escaped on their own merits while on the island, which could still end up with Scooby being captured. And the final battle shouldn't have involved Blue Falcon at all, it should've been Mystery Inc. doing what they do best. It's a cute movie, but this isn't Mystery Inc. You do raise an interesting point here. Shaggy could've found out about Scooby's chosen one status from Dastardly if they still wanted to do the jealousy arc. He could also empathize with Dastardly being separated from his dog (though that would give Daphne less to do). I heavily disagree on Shaggy being Alexander's descendant. Chosen One/Blood Right storylines are already forced and having two would be pushing it.
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Post by wileyk209 on May 18, 2020 17:01:21 GMT -5
It's a cute movie, but this isn't Mystery Inc. Well yeah, it's meant to kick off a "Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe" Warner Animation Group is planning. They probably made "Scoob!" the first one and put the Mystery Inc. characters in it because it's currently the most popular out of all the H-B franchises (so much that Warner Bros. Animation generally doesn't consider Scooby-Doo part of the H-B family anymore!) We might get a movie about Captain Caveman next, or maybe they will reintroduce Space Ghost or Birdman or someone...
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Post by scoobylover on May 18, 2020 17:17:36 GMT -5
Thought it was a cute movie but not the Scooby-Doo movie I wanted at all. I loved the characters, the animation was incredibile, I adore the album, tho everything felt soooo rushed in the movie and unnecessary. I loved the jokes tho
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on May 18, 2020 17:38:25 GMT -5
It's a cute movie, but this isn't Mystery Inc. Well yeah, it's meant to kick off a "Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe" Warner Animation Group is planning. They probably made "Scoob!" the first one and put the Mystery Inc. characters in it because it's currently the most popular out of all the H-B franchises (so much that Warner Bros. Animation generally doesn't consider Scooby-Doo part of the H-B family anymore!) We might get a movie about Captain Caveman next, or maybe they will reintroduce Space Ghost or Birdman or someone... They're not going to do solo movies of other HB characters until they're certain people want this. We're more likely to see SCOOB 2: QUEST FOR MYSTERY or whatever than a Wacky Races film
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Post by barneynedward on May 18, 2020 18:22:27 GMT -5
Well yeah, it's meant to kick off a "Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe" Warner Animation Group is planning. They probably made "Scoob!" the first one and put the Mystery Inc. characters in it because it's currently the most popular out of all the H-B franchises (so much that Warner Bros. Animation generally doesn't consider Scooby-Doo part of the H-B family anymore!) We might get a movie about Captain Caveman next, or maybe they will reintroduce Space Ghost or Birdman or someone... They're not going to do solo movies of other HB characters until they're certain people want this. We're more likely to see SCOOB 2: QUEST FOR MYSTERY or whatever than a Wacky Races film I I think the reported haunting in the end scene should have also mentioned spooky happenings occurring in the old abandoned Muddlemore Mansion in Massachusetts.
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Post by elemage on May 18, 2020 18:34:47 GMT -5
This is why I prefer just Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne. This group is easy to write with. You don't have to deal with any of the characters being pushed to the side or being out of character. A smaller group of characters doesn't translate to better writing. Scooby-Doo as a franchise doesn't have the greatest writers in the world to begin with, but thanks to an interview with Curse of the 13th Ghost/Return to Zombie Island's writer, we KNOW there's a heavy level of corporate interference. Add in the facts that this movie was hastily rewritten from S.C.O.O.B. being a spy agency with the Mystery Inc. kids as secret agents, the fact that it credits 7 different writers, and the fact that this is your standard superhero movie and NOT a Scooby mystery, and there was no way this movie was ever going to properly do Mystery Inc. justice. Especially with the added strain of laying the groundwork for a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe. You can do a great story with multiple characters. Look at Infinity War or Endgame. They juggled dozens upon dozens of characters, mostly because you didn't need to deal with origins since most viewers knew who each character was. And with a franchise like Scooby-Doo, you can also jump right into the thick of it without needing any backstory. Personally if I were to ever do a Scooby-Doo movie, I think I'd have the A-plot be a mystery involving all six members of the Gang but mostly spotlighting Velma and Scrappy, a romantic B-plot with Fred and Daphne, and then a comedic C-plot to give Shaggy and Scooby something to do.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on May 18, 2020 18:43:07 GMT -5
This is why I prefer just Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne. This group is easy to write with. You don't have to deal with any of the characters being pushed to the side or being out of character. Add in the facts that this movie was hastily rewritten from S.C.O.O.B. being a spy agency with the Mystery Inc. kids as secret agents, the fact that it credits 7 different writers, and the fact that this is your standard superhero movie and NOT a Scooby mystery, and there was no way this movie was ever going to properly do Mystery Inc. justice. Especially with the added strain of laying the groundwork for a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe. That's not what the original idea was. S.C.O.O.B. was suppose to be a superhero team lead by Blue Falcon that was made up of Scooby, Atom Ant, Captain Caveman, Grape Ape, and Jabberjaw. This original concept is referenced during the credits.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on May 19, 2020 12:51:02 GMT -5
This is why I prefer just Scooby, Scrappy, Shaggy and Daphne. This group is easy to write with. You don't have to deal with any of the characters being pushed to the side or being out of character. You can do a great story with multiple characters. Look at Infinity War or Endgame. They juggled dozens upon dozens of characters, mostly because you didn't need to deal with origins since most viewers knew who each character was. And with a franchise like Scooby-Doo, you can also jump right into the thick of it without needing any backstory. Personally if I were to ever do a Scooby-Doo movie, I think I'd have the A-plot be a mystery involving all six members of the Gang but mostly spotlighting Velma and Scrappy, a romantic B-plot with Fred and Daphne, and then a comedic C-plot to give Shaggy and Scooby something to do. I stated in a previous reply it's mostly just Scooby that has this problem. And to mention the amount of side characters episodes seem to have. Also, we don't need anymore forced teen romance in the series. With your idea why not have Fred tag along with Velma and Scrappy so he can have interaction with the latter and Daphne tag along with Scooby and Shaggy. The C Plot would need to be given to the villain and side characters.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on May 19, 2020 19:49:55 GMT -5
I do like that someone FINALLY pointed out how utterly useless Shaggy and Scooby are to the team. This is objectively not true? Shaggy & Scooby are always the ones who find the monster, always the ones who risk their lives to lure the monster, and usually end up being the ones who actually catch it (even if by accident). This plot was already done better in Monsters Unleashed which came to the same conclusion. These plots are hollow not because Shaggy & Scooby are "useless" (because again, they obviously aren't) but because they would be done better with Daphne who actually is pointless in the original show. The writers obviously feel more comfortable reinforcing Shaggy & Scooby's main character status than developing Daphne.
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