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Post by mattpricetime on Sept 4, 2019 17:41:24 GMT -5
Picked it up today in store regardless of what the press releases and Wbshop said the dvd was stocked in stores I went to today.
Now let me say that the movie twist was one that I figured out well from the leaks and all but I was waiting for the cat creatures to be revealed to be fakes as in the conversations I've had here on the writing time periods but let me say holy Scooby snacks when the beginning continuing from where the last film ended and them once more leaving something open ended has made me from possibly daydreaming to seriously suspicious.
Even if the current direction of the dtv may not be my fan ideal but I am totally interested in seeing if they actually continue this in the next one.
Little things I loved in this: The opening credits were cool Reluctant werewolf reference The cat creature chase scene with the aped Austin Roberts style song Elvira's small role
One thing is also it appears the Velma will use any thing to discredit a supernatural possibility is a character trait that is going to stay. But the others not really believing her is even more blatant than it was in Curse now. Not my preferred Velma writing but eh I can live with it.
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Post by scoobnick on Sept 4, 2019 23:50:29 GMT -5
Velma being a diehard ghost skeptic is something that is rather aggravating at this point. Early Velma had no problem believing in ghosts and witches and the like.Something like that Velma, rather than the rigid, unyielding Velma we've gotten, would be better
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Post by russm on Sept 5, 2019 2:42:58 GMT -5
Velma being a diehard ghost skeptic is something that is rather aggravating at this point. Early Velma had no problem believing in ghosts and witches and the like.Something like that Velma, rather than the rigid, unyielding Velma we've gotten, would be better There is no need for such crude characterisations in the gang of the show. The gang have pulled the masks of villains often enough that they should have the working hypothesis that any 'supernatural' thing is a guy in a mask or a special effect until proven otherwise. Even Shaggy and Scooby should have realised this by now. Though of course that would spoil the fun. There is a different between scepticism and dogmatism. Having a character dogmatically insisting that there is no such thing as the supernatural is just as crude and lazy as dogmatically insisting that everything is due to the supernatural. There could be an interesting interplay between Velma's 'incredible claims require incredible evidence' approach, staying the others wilder flights of fancy and focussing on the task at hand and the rest of the gang trying to show her where things didn't fit, to consider the possibility that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of her her philosophy. A friendly Mulder and Scully kind of vibe going on in the background. But I think WB isn't interested in putting that kind of effort in the writing.
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Post by SpiderScooby on Sept 5, 2019 11:11:13 GMT -5
I can't say I hated it, but the whole movie was forgettable. I just don't know why they feel the need to make such blatant continuity errors. I know WB wants these movies to be as close to classic Scooby as possible. But would it really be so bad to just acknowledge the cat creatures/zombies were real in the first film? Like, what's the point in denying it? They've basically replaced Fred being trap obsessed with Velma being in denial. That and the Scrappy line from 13th Ghost are really annoying. If they're planning a Reluctant Werewolf sequel I'm not really looking forward to it.
I don't mean to rant. I just wish they would put a lot more care into these sequels.
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Post by wileyk209 on Sept 5, 2019 18:47:29 GMT -5
Velma being a diehard ghost skeptic is something that is rather aggravating at this point. Early Velma had no problem believing in ghosts and witches and the like.Something like that Velma, rather than the rigid, unyielding Velma we've gotten, would be better Agreed. I only really enjoyed that kind of skeptical thing with Daphne in "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo." In fact, having Velma believing in a ghost is something I did in my Funky Phantom crossover fanfic! Earliest I recall Velma being skeptical like that was in "Scooby-Doo and the Goblin King" (one of the few direct-to-video movie with real supernatural beings, no less) when she fainted among seeing an actual fairy!
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Sept 6, 2019 11:33:15 GMT -5
Strangely enough I enjoyed this film than the 13th Ghosts one, I mean at least they left the ending as it happened type ending leaving Velma looking crazy.
Pros
Liked the Zombie Island scenes reanimated to fit these films, that was neat to see.
Shaggy and Scooby just over all cracked me up this entire film. They oddly enough left a warm happy feeling.
I also liked how for once the gang tried to respect Shaggy and Scooby's wishes. It was hilarious how much it was driving the guys insane trying to act like nothing was going on.
Loved loved the Reluctant Werewolf reference, if they mess with that film too so help me. Though how did Velma know about it? That was a Shaggy and Scooby only adventure, I take it he told the gang about when they reunited at some point?
Negatives
Velma kept making me want to slam my head against the wall every time she'd deny evidence of what happened last time. Its weird too because 90s Velma accepted things as is while this Velma just UGH!
Daph felt like background material to me in this film compared to the others.
Fred's obsession with the mystery machine makes me think he's nuts. As much as I hated Fred from the original series this Fred makes me sad.
The ending in my opinion was adorable, love how animals just over all like Shaggy : )
Another question: Is this a continuation of the 13th Ghosts film due to the mystery machine being sold?
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Post by Doo on Sept 6, 2019 17:11:53 GMT -5
I finished watching Return to Zombie Island on Wednesday, and I must say I have mixed feelings about this film.
I feel like the film doesn't really work at all as a sequel to Zombie Island like they set it up to be. The tone is completely inconsistent with the original, and several details, like in Curse of the 13th Ghost, have significant continuity errors. Some examples of this are Coast to Coast with Daphne Blake being a "school project," their trip to Moonscar Island as a "summer vacation" and Simone and Lena's house being a hotel with a guest book that the gang apparently signed last visit, which they didn't.
However, on its own as a standalone film, the movie is pretty decent. I really enjoyed some of the references, especially the one to Reluctant Werewolf and that we got some old Zombie Island footage redone in the current animation.
I particularly enjoyed Alan as a character, and the movie had sort of a spooky tone. It was cool there was at least some continuity with the last film about them giving away the Mystery Machine.
One thing I hated about the film is Velma claiming everything was fake again. I don't like that they've added this to her character now. It would make sense to have her be a little skeptic, but she's so overbearing that it almost seems like she's in denial.
I also didn't like the design of the zombies or cat creatures. They seemed more silly-looking than scary, which was one thing I felt did the first film a terrible injustice. I was really hoping for a sequel to Zombie Island that was similar in its dark and mature tone, but after Curse of the 13th Ghost, tbh my hopes were pretty low and they were for the most part achieved.
I thought it was cool they got Elvira to guest star in this, especially after they parodied her in LEGO Scooby-Doo! Haunted Hollywood a few years back.
Overall, the film was pretty lackluster as a sequel to one of the most widely loved films of the Scooby franchise. But for the most part, with the exception of the glaring continuity errors, the film was harmless even though there was absolutely no point in doing it besides a nostalgic cash grab for the 50th anniversary.
That being said, I'll just add a little disclaimer here to end my review. My hopes were pretty low for this film, but in general, I was disappointed that they didn't try to make legitimate sequels to both 13 Ghosts and Zombie Island. It seemed like WB was going for the nostalgia factor with this year's DTVs, but then wanted to put in as little work as humanly possible into making them true sequels, or even consistent with the original. My opinion is that Scooby-Doo needs a drastic shakeup in the writer's room, with some new people that truly care about the franchise and have some ideas which legitimately cater to the adults still interested in Scooby-Doo. Explore some new territory in the franchise, experiment a bit, and don't just go with safe nostalgia but not bother to put the work in. (This somewhat goes for Guess Who as well) I would genuinely like to see either completely unexplored territory in the Scooby franchise tested out, or maybe go back to some of the old stuff with some actual research done on the tone of the original work.
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Post by Doo on Sept 6, 2019 17:16:39 GMT -5
Is this a continuation of the 13th Ghosts film due to the mystery machine being sold? I took it as a continuation given they mentioned the sheriff's warning from the last film as well.
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Post by mattpricetime on Sept 8, 2019 22:27:51 GMT -5
That is the part that really took me the most by surprise after seeing the movie again. After all we heard from Sheridan I really felt this movie would open but with them just having the Mystery Machine back in typical HB style new episode refresh. The idea they continued on from that and still didn't get the Mystery Machine back has raised my suspicions they plan on taking this somewhere.
I don't want to get mine or anybody else hopes up too high, but i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering if this setting up something that they've kept a tight lid on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 10:01:19 GMT -5
Even with the Mystery Machine gone, they still have Daphne's van to get around...oh right Fred hates driving stick shift. Either way this is an interesting idea, if odd to have Velma start dismissing the more bizarre cases as some sort of trick...kind of gives me the feeling that they're going to try to wrap everything before Alien Invaders up as not actually being a legitimate threat so that SCOOB can fully reboot the franchise.
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Post by Doo on Sept 9, 2019 11:48:29 GMT -5
Even with the Mystery Machine gone, they still have Daphne's van to get around...oh right Fred hates driving stick shift. Either way this is an interesting idea, if odd to have Velma start dismissing the more bizarre cases as some sort of trick...kind of gives me the feeling that they're going to try to wrap everything before Alien Invaders up as not actually being a legitimate threat so that SCOOB can fully reboot the franchise. Interesting thought! I wonder if they will find the Mystery Machine again in SCOOB!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:57:18 GMT -5
Maybe...also I wonder if Team Quest has it now. I mean they keep trying to connect Team Quest to Scooby everywhere so why has team up been the only actual time Scooby's solved a case with Jonny? You would think that with every dtv hinting Quest Labs every other year that they would have done something already.
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Sept 9, 2019 15:56:49 GMT -5
Even with the Mystery Machine gone, they still have Daphne's van to get around...oh right Fred hates driving stick shift. Either way this is an interesting idea, if odd to have Velma start dismissing the more bizarre cases as some sort of trick...kind of gives me the feeling that they're going to try to wrap everything before Alien Invaders up as not actually being a legitimate threat so that SCOOB can fully reboot the franchise. Interesting thought! I wonder if they will find the Mystery Machine again in SCOOB! I wish they'd introduce Shaggy's vehicle from the past 80s films, he used to drive a car too in the Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werwolf to the Goul Scool films. If they do a sequell to the Reluctant Werwolf film I hope they have Shaggy introduce it to them than have Shaggy drive that entire film : (
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Sept 9, 2019 16:05:19 GMT -5
Interesting thought! I wonder if they will find the Mystery Machine again in SCOOB! I wish they'd introduce Shaggy's vehicle from the past 80s films, he used to drive a car too in the Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werwolf to the Goul Scool films. If they do a sequell to the Reluctant Werwolf film I hope they have Shaggy introduce it to them than have Shaggy drive that entire film : ( His car in Ghoul School was Daphne's car
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 18:52:34 GMT -5
If Shaggy had the Misstery Machine in Ghoul School... where exactly was Daphne during that time? Interning at the tv station? Or was she learning her random skill of the week at that point?
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