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Post by federer91 on Feb 13, 2019 8:22:09 GMT -5
I enjoyed it more, then some recent DTV movies, but when you take into consideration the original TV show, i have mixed feelings. For me they went slightly overboard with the comedy bits, but that's on me, since i expected a more dark film. The Vincent gags and the early Fred moments were awesome. Daphne taking the lead and the way he found out, that they had a whole other side, that he didn't knew about, brought a lot of laughs. But the whole cheerleading stuff, by the second part was too much and we could have made without it. Every time they want to make Fred more loose, he comes out like a moron...
I was skeptical about the way they were going to portray Flim Flam, but i was pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't mind if he made some more appearances in future films to be honest, he fit quite well with the others here. Don't know why people are making such a fuss about his age. Firstly, why is it that important and secondly, kids Flim Flam's age in the original series, can grow quite fast in just a few years, so it's not that unbelievable.
By now, with all the series, movies, spin-offs, it's nearly impossible to pin-point the gangs ages everywhere, as to make a clear continuity.
I'm more displeased with the copped out demon. I wanted them to show Fred and Velma the real stuff and make a big group chasing of the 13th ghost. If they are going to make "The 13th Ghosts" canon, then do it all the way. Velma can always be the skeptic, the rational one, with this being one of the few exceptions. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Also the demon looked to familiar to another creature from a past movie (can't remember which one it was right now). They could have had more imagination in his design.
I always love the episodes set in the winter/snow, but it was like 15 minutes of them running from the avalanche. The first car chase was awesome, but then it got lazy. Stuff like this make me have mixed feelings about the film.
I really wish for Zombie Island they go the darker root, because after this my faith in them has lowered.
PS. Daphne really rocked the style and outfit. Unpopular opinion, but i would like if she continued with this style, instead of her classical one.
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Post by Doo on Feb 13, 2019 12:52:18 GMT -5
Okay, here are my thoughts on the film finally.
It was just mediocre, honestly. The continuity errors really annoyed me and almost ruined the movie for me. I think this is because of WB's advertising kinda hyped me up that "After 33 years, the mystery will finally be solved!". I normally don't mind cliffhanger endings that can be interpreted a number of ways, in fact I'd say I enjoy them as it makes you really think and examine the movie with a close lens. However, after WB's advertising, I was expecting there to be an actual conclusion and there really wasn't.
The opening scene was very neat and gave me a lot of hope when I first watched the film. Very dark, and the forest spirits sorta looked like the Shadow Demon which I thought was cool. The intro was meh. Inexplicably, Zomba and Nicara (two of my favorite demons) were left out of the intro and not mentioned. The Shadow Demon was misrepresented as one of the demons, but he wasn't, it was just some dude's shadow in the episode. Queen Morbidia was the actual demon in that episode. The wording "broke the Shadow Demon's curse" in the episode also annoyed me. What curse? It was literally just some random guy's shadow that wasn't evil at all. Also, the Cyclone Demon from "Ship of Ghouls" being referenced as one of the demons was a pretty big continuity error. This demon was the combination of Maldor, Zomba, Morbidia and the Mirror Demon after they were released from the chest. If we're to presume 12 were caught, then Captain Ferguson's ghost should have been the demon represented here. Though someone on my blog commented that Ferguson says in the episode he'd only been dead for 50 years, so if we're to believe the Chest of Demons is ancient, this doesn't make sense. As much complaints as I had though, it was really cool that they did reference the old series and Vincent's narration was fun. I was disappointed that Scrappy was cut out from all scenes as others have said.
The scared of teenagers joke was funny at first, but then reusing it again at the end made it become a bit annoying. The policeman telling the gang they couldn't solve mysteries anymore was interesting, though it's odd they listened to that part and not the fact that Scooby needed to be on a leash due to leash laws. The references to the old Scooby villains at the rummage sale was neat. Someone on my blog also commented that the Black Samurai was a real ghost, so if the mask is going to be in the rummage sale, it doesn't make sense that Velma wouldn't believe in ghosts.
Anybody else wonder if Bernie (Alan) was a reference to Bernie Gumpshure, that sheepdog that replaced Scooby in "It's a Wonderful Scoob"?
I thought it was interesting they used the summer camp excuse again for Velma and Fred being gone. Daphne pulling that thin sheet off of the Misstery Machine in her garage was quite cringeworthy, as it's unlikely Fred and Velma would have never seen that or asked what it was. I mean it's a gigantic vehicle, not a tricycle or something lol. I enjoyed Daphne's new mature look and role in the film. All the 13 Ghosts references were neat too, like the rubber duck and the Lotsa Luck Joy Juice, the phantom car was kind of a reference to Rankor I suppose, and my favorite, how Asmodeus turned into the same giant demonic head that the ghosts did originally when let out of the chest in "To All the Ghouls I've Loved Before." (Surprised no one's mentioned that)
One of the worst scenes was in Vincent's castle, when Shaggy says he mailed the chest to Vincent's home in the Himalayas, to which Vincent replies that it was an "Air Boo 'n' Boo." The Himalayas castle was most certainly his, as we see all his possessions there and I believe he even says it's his during the original series. That's a pretty gigantic continuity error to create just for that incredibly lame joke. Also, why would Shaggy send the chest in the mail? He knows how dangerous it is, and why would he risk that with the 13th ghost still out there?
The original pairings during the split ups was neat, as well as the inclusion of Flim Flam. I wish they would have included Weerd and Bogel though. I also wish they would have included Scrappy, instead of that lame "What's a Scrappy?" joke, which also created countless continuity errors with episodes from The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries and The Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show (from 1979). There's also the fact that, in "The Crazy Carnival Caper" from that same era, it's said the gang graduated from high school already. This film, given the sheriff saying they're 17, would contradict this.
Fred being at cheerleading camp wasn't even remotely funny and was borderline obnoxious.
I didn't like how they relied on the "only the living can open the chest" line to determine Asmodeus was a fake. This wasn't consistent even in the original series. It's said that only the living can open the chest in the first episode, but Zomba and Time Slime attempt to open the chest despite that they are not living. Zimbulu also successfully opens the chest and releases the demons. Would have been better if they wouldn't have relied on an already weak part of the original series as a main plot point.
The absolute stupidest scene was Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby's "trap" where they dress up as the 14th ghost, and it's literally just a white sheet with eyes and a mouth drawn on. That costume is so lame that it's more terrifying than all 13 ghosts combined. How do they expect Asmodeus to believe this? There also is no 14th ghost, which Asmodeus is well aware of. It's a horrible plan that makes no sense. I mean, wtf did they think was going to happen?
Mortifer being the 13th ghost was a huge letdown. His explanation didn't make much sense either, as who would want to buy an extremely dangerous chest full of the worst demons possible? Why would he want to sell something so dangerous in the first place? I didn't mind the 13th ghost being Vincent's ancestor, but the ending didn't make much sense. I guess it's supposed to be open ended, and I'd love to believe that Asmodeus really did redeem himself. It's unclear by what Velma said how much she lied about or not. Speaking of Velma, she was very obnoxious and unlikable in this film. The gang flying off in the "Flying Mystery Machine" (it was actually the Mystery Flying Machine in the series) was a cool ending, I guess.
I'll admit I'm worried about Return to Zombie Island now, but hopefully WB will realize how badly they screwed up this one based on fan comments. Overall, it was a nice movie but had some serious continuity errors and stupidly written scenes which dropped its enjoyability significantly IMO. The Easter eggs were neat though, and if you don't consider it canon with 13 Ghosts, I guess it had a pretty good plot to it. 6/10
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Post by Whyboy on Feb 23, 2019 11:36:09 GMT -5
The Chest of Demons is a bed of lies as Cartoon Corner suffers through Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost. ENJOY
#ScoobyDoo #13GhostsOfScoobyDoo #ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost
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Post by vakanai on Feb 26, 2019 17:19:20 GMT -5
I can't say whether it was good for fans of the old series or not (still need to get around to watching that), but for me it was pretty alright. Not my favorite entry, but entertaining, which is all I really want.
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Post by elemage on Mar 4, 2019 0:03:47 GMT -5
Aside from Velma and the lack of Scrappy, I loved this movie... Until the last 13 minutes. Ironically enough, the last 13 minutes of the 13th Ghost ruined the entire movie for me.
And dear God, Velma is INSUFFERABLE in this movie. She almost ruins the movie singlehandedly, just like she almost ruined the KISS movie singlehandedly. I can't even blame it on the actresses, because Mindy and Kate can absolutely make Velma likable in other stuff. Meaning someone deliberately went out of their way to write Velma this way and that infuriates me.
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Post by snesgamer83 on Jul 27, 2019 1:38:23 GMT -5
Updated opinion: It was bad. Flat-out. They focused WAY too much effort on the "kiddos" when their prime audience was supposed to be the older fans who have waited for years to see 13 Ghosts conclude. As a result, certain elements of the story I suspect were altered (it's still "cool" to hate on Scrappy for modern kids - therefore he wasn't included, they were afraid to have a Scooby movie without an unmasking - hence a masked villain, etc.) to fit them when really it wasn't supposed to be "their" movie - they can have the next few dozens of Scooby movies for themselves, they should've just let the "oldies" have this one.
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Post by scoob16 on Sept 18, 2019 12:52:53 GMT -5
My review is super late on account of being absent from the forum, but I'm gonna post it since I rewatched it last night to celebrate Scooby's 50th anniversary. Everything up until the last few scenes were almost perfect. The exposition, the references and Easter eggs, Flim-Flam's re-introduction, the chase song ("Scoobystition" might be my favorite chase song from the latest movies)... All except for Vincent's constant puns. I thought Vioncent was kind of out of character and not as serious as he was in the show. He reminded me more of his SDMI horror movie actor persona ((Maurice LaMarche's voice had a hand in that but his performance was fine). But in the last few scenes they turned it all around, first with Velma's "What's a Scrappy?" line. And then by having Mortifer pose as Asmodeus and the 13th ghost actually being fake. The story Velma sold Van Ghoul seemed like an unexpected yet welcome conclusion, but when she said she made it up, I was extremely disappointed. As a whole though it was a fun movie that kept the tone and style of the show, both comedic and dark.
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 18, 2019 14:06:33 GMT -5
My review is super late on account of being absent from the forum, but I'm gonna post it since I rewatched it last night to celebrate Scooby's 50th anniversary. Everything up until the last few scenes were almost perfect. The exposition, the references and Easter eggs, Flim-Flam's re-introduction, the chase song ("Scoobystition" might be my favorite chase song from the latest movies)... All except for Vincent's constant puns. I thought Vioncent was kind of out of character and not as serious as he was in the show. He reminded me more of his SDMI horror movie actor persona ((Maurice LaMarche's voice had a hand in that but his performance was fine). But in the last few scenes they turned it all around, first with Velma's "What's a Scrappy?" line. And then by having Mortifer pose as Asmodeus and the 13th ghost actually being fake. The story Velma sold Van Ghoul seemed like an unexpected yet welcome conclusion, but when she said she made it up, I was extremely disappointed. As a whole though it was a fun movie that kept the tone and style of the show, both comedic and dark. I figured Velma thought she made that explanation up without realizing how close she really was to the truth. I think Asamad was merely bound into slavery to Asmodeus and saw an opportunity to redeem himself when Shaggy and Scooby opened the chest while under ghostly mind control by preventing the real Asmodeus from escaping, meaning that only 12 demons actually escaped.
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Post by scoob16 on Sept 19, 2019 6:42:01 GMT -5
I figured Velma thought she made that explanation up without realizing how close she really was to the truth. I think Asamad was merely bound into slavery to Asmodeus and saw an opportunity to redeem himself when Shaggy and Scooby opened the chest while under ghostly mind control by preventing the real Asmodeus from escaping, meaning that only 12 demons actually escaped. That sounds like a very plausible theory. I like it.
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