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Post by Doo on Mar 10, 2019 11:51:55 GMT -5
all this is horrible I was excited thinking that the next movie would be better than the disappointment of 13th ghost (that is a very good movie but we all know that it could have been much better) and now it seems that it will not even have the tone of the original.if it is not up to the original because they do it. They will dirty their good memories and make a senseless sequel that ignores the original and will surely be childish and nothing dark like the original that everyone loves.They should rest in peace the good movies and series and not spoil them by doing such bad sequels.they simply have to focus on creating new movies that have nothing to do with things from the past (if they are going to do so badly) they show the lack of ideas that seem to have to reuse old ideas because they do not occur to them new. and even though they have a base of such good old ideas, they do it badly. do not fool these two movies of 2019 do not seem to be a gift to the fans as we thought.I just hope that return to zombie island is good but every time I have less hope. I'm minded to agree with this. While I'm happy they're remaking some of the classic movies and series for the fans to celebrate the 50th anniversary, they should be putting some work in to make sure the films are consistent with the originals. Just pumping out senseless faux sequels for the sake of doing it doesn't do anybody any good.
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Post by slicknickshady on Mar 10, 2019 20:20:35 GMT -5
Listened to the interview. Turned it off after he said - and I rewinded that part twice! - that Curse Of 13th Ghost and Return To Zombie Island wouldn't be connected to any post-WAY incarnations, the gang would be like the WAY personalities, and Zombie Island was reduced to a WAY side adventure. Is he serious??? Is WB serious??? How are you creating a sequel to an incarnation you're ignoring? Are you kidding me??? I knew I had good reason to worry about RTZI after seeing Cot13G. I'm sure Tim Sheridan has been a quality writer on different projects and franchises, but this...is a no. There is a difference between cartoon logic and laziness, and this is the latter. The gang was still young and timeless even as mature adults in the original Zombie Island. How do you set not just a film but an arc conclusion when they're teens after a film where they reunited as adults. That. Makes. No. Sense. Somebody PM me when this AT&T restructuring includes a good overhaul of the writing team. (Apologies for my harshness. The only reason for my strong words is because we all know and have seen that they can do better.) I'm against a Zombie Island sequel for a variety of reasons but this is really dumb and childish. Fans need to get the idea of a cohesive Scooby continuity out of their heads. DC has tried to make a cohesive continuity for their characters and all it's gotten them is several convoluted universe reboots. Scooby-Doo was never meant to have a continuity. A bunch of writers don't need lose their jobs because some fans are in denial about this. And I don't care if I come off as rude here. Calling for a bunch of people to LOSE THEIR JOBS over meaningless continuity score-keeping is crossing the line and reeks of entitlement. You are wrong. Continuity matters. The current team is Clueless.
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Post by scubidu on Mar 10, 2019 20:39:24 GMT -5
I'm against a Zombie Island sequel for a variety of reasons but this is really dumb and childish. Fans need to get the idea of a cohesive Scooby continuity out of their heads. DC has tried to make a cohesive continuity for their characters and all it's gotten them is several convoluted universe reboots. Scooby-Doo was never meant to have a continuity. A bunch of writers don't need lose their jobs because some fans are in denial about this. And I don't care if I come off as rude here. Calling for a bunch of people to LOSE THEIR JOBS over meaningless continuity score-keeping is crossing the line and reeks of entitlement. You are wrong. Continuity matters. The current team is Clueless. You know, usually I don't care about continuity, but when we talking about a movie sequel, it shouldn't be a luxury demanding that this sequel is coeherent to the original movie's continuity. IT'S THE LEAST I EXPECT.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 10, 2019 21:15:21 GMT -5
You are wrong. Continuity matters. The current team is Clueless. You know, usually I don't care about continuity, but when we talking about a movie sequel, it shouldn't be a luxury demanding that this sequel is coeherent to the original movie's continuity. IT'S THE LEAST I EXPECT. I'm not saying it's wrong to ask about continuity, I'm saying it should be low on anyone's priorities when engaging with a work of art. If the Zombie Island sequel followed the continuity of the original film 100% without any errors, it would still be an unnecessary project. Obsession with "maintaining continuity" is what ruined X-Men comics for awhile because writers started to focus too hard on fixing plot holes only to create new ones instead of telling good stories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 16:50:38 GMT -5
And the good thing about a loose or non-existent continuity in shows from Hanna-Barbera is the fact that the viewer can have fun with when they want or if they don't want it. Why spoil that fun? Sure I like trying to figure out continuity, but Many people in the general public are actually stating something along the lines of "Just because something takes place in the HB universe, doesn't mean that one show is connected to the other."...and Sheridan pretty much confirmed that anyways by stating that these new movies are infact extended WAY episodes (like how the ones from Loch Ness-Samurai Sword were WNSD's 4th season substitute and a pilot season when it comes to the big 4 and retrospecials as extended eps). There is little if anything to connect past series together at all. If there is any sort of continuity that makes any sense in this show, it is broken up into divergent sets per trios or quartets or are self contained with the only consistent thing being that WAY is the pivoting point. WAY-SDS is it's own thing, Scrappy-Doo Show-New Mysteries is it's own thing, 13 & the Superstar 10 are their own thing, Pup-Samurai Sword is it's own thing, Mystery Incorporated is self contained, Be Cool is self contained and of course the live action is self contained...though as a head canon I've always thought Goes Hollywood and now possibly Arabian Nights, The SD Project and Night of the Living Doo are Daphne's ideas of video pilots for Coast to Coast given their satiring of the franchise...I think the Scooby-Doo project would have been most successful of the pilots shot if that was the case.
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Post by russm on Mar 11, 2019 17:36:53 GMT -5
...and Sheridan pretty much confirmed that anyways by stating that these new movies are infact extended WAY episodes... The question is 'is that a good thing' can the WAY format and writing style sustain a movie? The reported issues with 13th Ghost looks like a vision problem, they couldn't decide what they were going for so fell between two stools (Still haven't finished it, keep getting put off by the Fred/Daphne jealousy thing, but I digress). Another issue is that recently the writers don't seem to have much sympathy or 'duty of care' towards the characters they are writing, writing more a parody of the characters and not getting their context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 18:42:20 GMT -5
If they feel more like parody then that should make them...live action trash shouldn't it? And if it does...somebody should apologize for Flim Flam and Vincent having to suffer that.
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Post by scoobnick on Mar 12, 2019 12:22:12 GMT -5
the problem with trying to make these sequels extended WAY episodes is threefold. 1- thats already been done before in the New Scooby doo Movies, which most people think show that the WAY formula cant sustain an hour long show. 2. detracts from the original shows which had a very different mindset then where are you, which was mostly, guy in mask trying to scare everyone away, both !3 Ghosts and ZI dealt with monsters actually being real. 3 denies us a satisfying ending to those adventures. seriously i would love to travel back to moonscar island, but not if the story is a pale imitation of the 1998 film.
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Post by Doo on Mar 13, 2019 18:42:47 GMT -5
I have to say, after listening to the podcast, I'm a bit less frustrated by this movie now. It seems he tried to make the movie stay true to the 13 Ghosts series, though studio meddling within WB prevented him from making it completely the story he wanted. It heartens me that there was at least some effort to make it a genuine sequel to the original show, even if it didn't entirely come across that way in the finished product. Although it's not a perfect explanation, I also kind of liked his explanation about leaving the ending open for interpretation for fans who didn't believe real ghosts existed in the Scooby universe. Not everyone has watched 13 Ghosts or the Scrappy episodes, and I thought it was an interesting way to present the story. That being said, of course I would have preferred them to capture all 13 ghosts and for us to get a proper finale. However, I think the podcast has made me at least understand and respect why the writers did what they did. There's still of course the glaring continuity errors like Vincent's castle being an "Air Boo 'n' Boo" (one of the stupidest lines in the film IMO) and others.
I'm not sure how I feel about this and Return to Zombie Island being extended Where Are You episodes. I definitely am nostalgic for the original series, so it makes me happy to know that the writers are basing films off of that show. But I feel like to do that with such a big film like Zombie Island almost delegitimizes the original adventure, as it makes it seem like (in Tim's words) just a "side adventure." I think we can all agree that Zombie Island was a pretty groundbreaking and well-loved revival film, so to make it seem like "just another regular Scooby episode" makes it less special and less important.
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Post by barneynedward on Mar 13, 2019 20:02:56 GMT -5
I still say Asamad van Ghoul kept the real Asmodeus from escaping when Shaggy opened the chest. Also Velma is not simply a mere skeptic, she is more likely a militant atheist. Skeptics doubt the supernatural but their minds can be changed. Atheists are so convinced that it's all bunk and humbug that there is no changing their minds. I have to say, after listening to the podcast, I'm a bit less frustrated by this movie now. It seems he tried to make the movie stay true to the 13 Ghosts series, though studio meddling within WB prevented him from making it completely the story he wanted. It heartens me that there was at least some effort to make it a genuine sequel to the original show, even if it didn't entirely come across that way in the finished product. Although it's not a perfect explanation, I also kind of liked his explanation about leaving the ending open for interpretation for fans who didn't believe real ghosts existed in the Scooby universe. Not everyone has watched 13 Ghosts or the Scrappy episodes, and I thought it was an interesting way to present the story. That being said, of course I would have preferred them to capture all 13 ghosts and for us to get a proper finale. However, I think the podcast has made me at least understand and respect why the writers did what they did. There's still of course the glaring continuity errors like Vincent's castle being an "Air Boo 'n' Boo" (one of the stupidest lines in the film IMO) and others. I'm not sure how I feel about this and Return to Zombie Island being extended Where Are You episodes. I definitely am nostalgic for the original series, so it makes me happy to know that the writers are basing films off of that show. But I feel like to do that with such a big film like Zombie Island almost delegitimizes the original adventure, as it makes it seem like (in Tim's words) just a "side adventure." I think we can all agree that Zombie Island was a pretty groundbreaking and well-loved revival film, so to make it seem like "just another regular Scooby episode" makes it less special and less important.
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Post by vakanai on Mar 14, 2019 1:39:38 GMT -5
I still say Asamad van Ghoul kept the real Asmodeus from escaping when Shaggy opened the chest. Also Velma is not simply a mere skeptic, she is more likely a militant atheist. Skeptics doubt the supernatural but their minds can be changed. Atheists are so convinced that it's all bunk and humbug that there is no changing their minds. I wouldn't call her a militant atheist, because for a little while there she really did believe that the Chest of Demons and ghosts were real. I'm guessing that once it was discovered the 13th Ghost was a fake she was so relieved that everything could be explained again and that she could return to her normal view of reality that she went a little overboard on dismissing the paranormal. But if she was a militant atheist, she'd never have accepted it even for the brief while that she did. So maybe she was just a tad over enthusiastic about being able to be a skeptic again. Still felt like bad writing though, dismissing her friends experiences like that. Velma's supposed to respect her teammates, even if she is a little bit snarky to them.
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Post by russm on Mar 14, 2019 3:38:37 GMT -5
...Velma's supposed to respect her teammates, even if she is a little bit snarky to them. Perhaps the writers have forgotten that the gang are friends. But it's been a trend to forget that, they didn't act like friends in Be Cool, SD:MI had the same thing to a lesser extent and now the 'it's 4 people who act like they barely know each other' feel is coming into the movies as well which is sad. As for the militant athiest... 'Incredible claims require incredible evidence.' is the atheist's code. So, you want me to believe there is an invisible pink unicorn living in your basement then the onus is on you to prove it not on me to genuflect to your belief just because it's your belief. The 'militant' part is often where the person refuses to follow the social conventions surrounding a particular belief system. It's something that conservative American Christianity gets very excited about.
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Post by Doo on Mar 14, 2019 9:40:33 GMT -5
Perhaps the writers have forgotten that the gang are friends. But it's been a trend to forget that, they didn't act like friends in Be Cool, SD:MI had the same thing to a lesser extent and now the 'it's 4 people who act like they barely know each other' feel is coming into the movies as well which is sad. You don't think they acted like friends in Be Cool? Sure they teased each other quite a bit and their personalities were pretty different, but IMO they still acted like they were close friends. I believe JCB has even said somewhere on here that his intentions were to make the gang's friendship an underlying theme of the series.
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Post by ruben MG on Mar 14, 2019 9:43:48 GMT -5
Perhaps the writers have forgotten that the gang are friends. But it's been a trend to forget that, they didn't act like friends in Be Cool, SD:MI had the same thing to a lesser extent and now the 'it's 4 people who act like they barely know each other' feel is coming into the movies as well which is sad. You don't think they acted like friends in Be Cool? Sure they teased each other quite a bit and their personalities were pretty different, but IMO they still acted like they were close friends. I believe JCB has even said somewhere on here that his intentions were to make the gang's friendship an underlying theme of the series. that's true in bcsd friendship was a main theme
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Post by russm on Mar 14, 2019 11:05:02 GMT -5
You don't think they acted like friends in Be Cool? Sure they teased each other quite a bit and their personalities were pretty different, but IMO they still acted like they were close friends. I believe JCB has even said somewhere on here that his intentions were to make the gang's friendship an underlying theme of the series. that's true in bcsd friendship was a main theme Perhaps it's just me but I felt too often they had little or no chemistry, it was one of my main issues with the show, that and the characters of Daphne and Velma. At times they were tight, but others it felt like they were just 4 random people who had just met shoved in a van.
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