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Post by candy1026 on Aug 5, 2018 20:34:49 GMT -5
What official source says that Fred, Velma, and Daphne were removed to promote Scrappy? It's what everyone says, but where did it come from?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 15:37:39 GMT -5
I don't recall anything about the "straightman & women" being cut because of Scrappy, however in-universe the reason for the change was that Fred, Velma and Daphne got jobs but only Fred & Daphne could regularly travel with "Triple S" since NASA isn't exactly vacation friendly hence why Daphne & the boys visited Velma rather than Velma visiting them at least with Fred & Daphne both being some form of writers it helped them to travel as you can go anywhere to get a story.
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Post by Old School Scooby Fan on Aug 28, 2018 13:32:11 GMT -5
I am thinking, in-universe, Fred and Daphne were probably graduated from high school and/or took jobs to help pay for their college tuition, and Velma got a job with NASA. I wonder how Daphne managed to reunite with the three S's in "The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show" in 1983? I heard stories of Daphne rejoining the cast because she was working undercover while serving as a reporter for a teen or fashion magazine - is this true? And would Daphne be 18 years old in this 1983 incarnation, and Shaggy being 19?
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Aug 29, 2018 0:17:55 GMT -5
I don't consider the Scrappy shorts to be canon to the original Hanna Barbera timeline. I personally believe The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo show comes straight after the first Scrappy series with the full gang in universe canon. I consider Shaggy to be at least 25 and Daphne to be 24 in the 1983 season and I would imagine the two attended college to get their jobs during the gap between 1980 to early 1983.
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Post by Old School Scooby Fan on Aug 31, 2018 16:33:01 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that the absence of Fred, Daphne and Velma is likely due to them being in college from September 1980 (technically, November 1980 due to a voice actors' strike) through Summer 1983, and Daphne had acquired a job in 1983 as a reporter for a teen magazine, while Shaggy was probably unemployed during 1980 and 1981. He did get hired by the Fearless Detective agency in 1982, but he wasn't involved with such agency in 1983 and Daphne rejoined the cast as an reporter also serving as an undercover sleuth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 17:56:36 GMT -5
I also think Shaggy was in college during that time too-he was just doing his p.e. survival test so he could later teach gym at Grimwood and doing that survival test and other sports related stuff like racing and gymnastics probably allowed him to still travel with Scooby & Scrappy. Scooby could have also been a service dog like they're currently implying (given how Shaggy behaves if he is told "no Scooby" or someone tried to hurt Scooby) with Scrappy probably being a trainee dog during that time. Then the Detective stuff happens just as Daphne is about to return. Velma began NASA work and Fred began his books. Although i sure would like to know how Fred let Shaggy drive the Mystery Machine for a few years given he loves his van more than his girls.
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Post by candy1026 on Sept 3, 2018 12:44:29 GMT -5
Thanks providing insight, but I'm not for in-universe explanations. In Sherlock Holmes, the in-universe reason Sherlock survived going over the waterfall was that he pulled some obscure fighting moves and never went over at all. That's the watsonian explanation. The out universe was people wanted Conan to write more Holmes stories. That's the Doylist explanation. That's what happened out of universe. We could theorize all day what the watsonian explanation is, because it's fiction and the stories themselves give us little to go by. The Doylist explanation that many people subscribe to is that "The franchise was altered to focus more on Scrappy" However, that doesn't make sense to me because, well, exactly how would changing a half hour story to three seven minute shorts allow for greater focus on Scrappy? It's exactly the same amount of time, just divided differently. It seems weird and irrelevant to how much focus each character gets. But I guess the bottom line is, is there any real source for the Doylist explanation? That's what I'm looking for. Does anyone know?
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 3, 2018 19:23:14 GMT -5
I don't think Scrappy was the sole reason they decided to get rid of Fred, Daphne, and Velma. By the time Scrappy was introduced the formula of the show was becoming stale to audiences and writers were having a hard time coming up with new mysteries that hadn't been done in previous seasons. To keep executives happy and the show alive they decided to change up the formula by keeping Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy, who were the stars of the show, going solo facing real monster.
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Post by mattpricetime on Sept 5, 2018 0:25:44 GMT -5
Out of universe the more neutral explanation is generally that because the show was being retooled into a 7 minute comedy format, six main characters was simply too many to write around. Scooby and Shaggy were the stars they couldn't be replaced. Scrappy was the new feature and already had a workable gimmick with how to interact with Scooby and Shaggy that was able to be enlarged in the new format. This left the other three as the ones most likely to be dropped and they were.
Obviously when the next retool came and they went to 11-minute mysteries they brought one character back for similar reasons. Not as long of a format as the twenty-something minutes but more room to work around. You of course may also notice when Fred and/or Velma returned as guest stars those episodes were always expanded into the full twenty something minute format too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 7:35:31 GMT -5
Yeah trying to work Fred or Velma into an 11 Minute format just doesn't work. Daphne was a "John Stewart" for lack of a better term so writing for her was way easier than anyone else. I presume had new Mysteries continued a little longer...Fred would have been added back as those episodes were less akward than Velma's since Fred was a writer.
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