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Post by candy1026 on Jul 30, 2018 0:49:06 GMT -5
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Post by russm on Jul 30, 2018 15:21:36 GMT -5
To quote a ex-colleague of mine where reviewing a document, 'it's just words on a page' TBH I just lost the will to read it after the first couple of paragraphs, it was rambling and lacked focus. It came to a conclusion, but I'm still not sure it it answered the question. |
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Post by candy1026 on Jul 30, 2018 20:08:00 GMT -5
That's true. I like processing information by reading it whether then watching a video about it, so I included the longest doc I could find. I guess the video gets to the point better though.
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Post by russm on Jul 31, 2018 2:46:26 GMT -5
That's true. I like processing information by reading... So do I, documents are my stock in trade (that and Visio diagrams) and that document while it wasn't word-salad it wasn't far off it. It read as a first-draft brain-dump, useful for the author, but not useful for public consumption. The 'people just don't like change' argument is irrelevant as it can be applied to anything in the franchise that is new or different. Didn't like 'Shaggy and Scooby Get A Clue'? Well too bad, guess you just can't handle change, and so on. |
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Post by snesgamer83 on Aug 2, 2018 21:08:23 GMT -5
I don't think Scrappy's problem laid in people not liking change - his addition is actually what SAVED Scooby-Doo and a good part of why we still have the franchise today ironically enough.
I don't think people liked the REPLACEMENT - as in, I think a lot of people blamed Scrappy for the removal of Fred and Velma, the drastic shortening of episode lengths, and total workover of the show's formula as we saw in the 7-minute shorts. Had none of that latter stuff happened, I highly doubt Scrappy would have all the negative reception he does today - people aren't as viciously antagonistic towards the even more annoying side characters like Scooby-Dum and Flim-Flam, for example.
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Post by russm on Aug 3, 2018 2:49:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately the 'people don't like change' was chunk of the argument in the article, I think, and it has been made by others.
There was a lot of disruption to the franchise at that time and rightly or wrongly Scrappy was the one who copped the blame.
I do know as a child I didn't like the Scrappy episodes, yes I found him annoying and a one-trick pony, but the big thing was that as soon as I saw Scrappy it meant it wasn't the Scooby Doo show I had been looking forward to watch.
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Post by candy1026 on Aug 4, 2018 2:48:40 GMT -5
I don't really agree with you there. There was more to Scrappy then 'puppy' power. Is that what you mean by being a 'one trick pony'? I thought he was kind, adventurous, optimistic, and eager to try new things. And he grew and learned and changed. How is that a one trick pony? Are you sure you weren't simply annoyed by Scrappy and didn't pay enough attention to see other parts of him?
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Post by russm on Aug 4, 2018 7:48:19 GMT -5
Let's set a wider context; I'm 50, so I grew up not in an era of on-demand see everything 24/7 children's TV. You got a couple of hours per day, tops. The Scrappy I saw then was only the 'puppy power!' and 'lemme at 'em' variety. He was then a one trick-pony, that was the Scrappy I saw, that was the Scrappy who took away the Scooby Doo I wanted to watch. For me Scooby Doo was the whole gang, Fred, Daphne, Shaggy and Velma, that is what I wanted to watch. Scrappy took that away, Scrappy whose only skill was shouting 'puppy power'. That was the Scrappy of my childhood.
Roll forward many decades and I got back into Scooby Doo by watching it with my children, especially my youngest. And you know what, I still prefer the whole gang over the ones with Scrappy in, and I would say I even prefer Shaggy and Scooby Get a Clue over those.
I have seen some where Scrappy is better, where the whole gang us present, and he was more ok, catchphrases are still annoying but more effort had been put into him. But that is not the Scrappy who informed my first impressions of him. I am more tolerant of him, I particularly like his run in Apocalypse.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Aug 5, 2018 18:51:38 GMT -5
I mostly blame the shorts and the fact that the majority of the viewers always like to follow the mainstream opinions.
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Post by russm on Aug 6, 2018 6:07:25 GMT -5
I mostly blame the shorts and the fact that the majority of the viewers always like to follow the mainstream opinions. So I was mainstream before there was a mainstream? Cool. |
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Aug 6, 2018 16:12:48 GMT -5
I mostly blame the shorts and the fact that the majority of the viewers always like to follow the mainstream opinions. So I was mainstream before there was a mainstream? Cool. Except during the 1980's Scrappy was popular so it was about half hate and half fans. From what I heard, it was around 1997 when the mainstream hatedom broke out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 21:07:28 GMT -5
Well if ABC (and later WB), TBS, USA, TNT, TCM & Cartoon Network were only airing the Scrappy episodes in the late 80's throughout the 90's with pup being the most recent series before "the big 4" and "Bravo-Dooby-Doo!" as the most recent 11-minute New Movies format with the Scrappy Mysteries personas intact...you eventually somebody's going to get sick of Scrappy after the Pup reruns transferred to cable exclusiveness. Scrappy is most tolerable in Mysteries, 13 and the Superstar 10 but they relied on him too much. Fred's job also permitted travel so he could have been a regular during Mysteries and possibly Ghosts. That might have cooled the Scrappy hate a bit and maybe 13's cliffhanger would have been resolved. Also...the 1986-1988 gap of reruns might not have been so much as New Mysteries seemed to suggest Fred & Velma's jobs were like Daphne's intended to retool them into being more like the audience of the day just as they had always been. If the New Mysteries format had continued up through 1997 then maybe Fred's mystery writing career could have taken a Goosebumps direction during the 1992-1994 era and Velma's space career could have prepared for the millenium turn just like how the shorts for Shaggy & Scooby show them becoming braver a bit and the seasons with Daphne returning were about her reporter's arc to introduce the idea of threats that don't involve property scams.
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Post by russm on Aug 7, 2018 4:40:22 GMT -5
So I was mainstream before there was a mainstream? Cool. Except during the 1980's Scrappy was popular so it was about half hate and half fans. From what I heard, it was around 1997 when the mainstream hatedom broke out. Dislike does not equate to hate, do not put words into my mouth. I may dislike Scrappy, I may find him annoying, but that does not mean hate. Also what happened in 1997? |
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Post by scoobnick on Aug 7, 2018 14:07:30 GMT -5
Messick died in 1997, for starters. Now i was not really a Scrappy fan, he gfot better as the 80s progressed, I actually think he reached his peak in Boo Brothers. But fandom being what it is, scrappy has never gotten the acceptance of a good chunk of the fandom, for the reasons russm mentioned. a bad first impression is very hard to overcome.
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Post by lightbrownhair on Aug 29, 2018 14:09:55 GMT -5
I always liked Scrappy-Doo when i was a child. I don't know why so much people hate him, i suppose it's because of Fred, Daphne and Velma had left. The Scooby-Doo franchise is not as popular in France, so i don't know people's opinion in my country. I also can find him to be annoying to some degree (maybe too much presence?) but he absolutely didn't deserve so much hate, and even less to ben made the villain of the first movie. It was terribly OOC, i don't even understand how the writers could have written this and find it funny or believable...Scrappy loved his uncle.  One more time, i am sorry for my imperfect English. |
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