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Post by snesgamer on May 7, 2017 17:31:28 GMT -5
Yes I know she has the "look" and in some incarnations the stereotypical feminist/women's lib people associate with it these days - and I'm all for representing the times in a cartoon - but it's just that forcing a relationship like the one with Hot Dog Water is too typical, easy, and limiting in a way.
I think one could do a lot more with her to crush stereotypes by actually making her a straight girl than just catering to the "not typically girlish look and short hair must = lesbian" trope.
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Post by scoobnick on May 7, 2017 20:35:57 GMT -5
we've never HAD a portrayal of Velma as a lesbian, well prior to Mystery Inc. the relationship with Msrcie was the only one of the main relationships that wasnt over the top (fred-Daphne)and/or had one of the partners try to change the other's personality (velma/ Shaggy)
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Post by barneynedward on May 11, 2017 17:58:59 GMT -5
I think in the main continuity (so far) Velma is Shaggy/Winsor-sexual.
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Post by Doo on Jun 3, 2017 14:15:53 GMT -5
Interesting point. I guess I disagree that Velma/Marcie was forced, but it does seem like a cop out to make the shorthaired non-feminine girl the lesbian of the group. At least with the boy-crazy Daphne of the current DTV movies, I don't think it would be realistic to have her be a lesbian though. Would be interesting to see a non-stereotypical lesbian relationship in Scooby though, at least in my opinion.
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Post by barneynedward on Jun 10, 2017 19:39:36 GMT -5
I think they should handle her the same way 'Friends' handled chandler. Keep her straight but have people keep mistaking her for gay. That would be funny, especially if she can't understand why they'd think that.
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Post by scoobnick on Jun 10, 2017 19:46:16 GMT -5
i actually think making velma a lesbian is actually pretty bold. like I said we've never had that kind of relationship in scooby before, and mystery inc pushed quite a few boundaries, in terms of relationships, and connected plots and the like. heck, people actually DIED in the series, when was the last time a character died in Scooby Doo, and stayed dead?
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Post by Ark on Jun 11, 2017 18:11:43 GMT -5
i actually think making velma a lesbian is actually pretty bold. like I said we've never had that kind of relationship in scooby before, and mystery inc pushed quite a few boundaries, in terms of relationships, and connected plots and the like. heck, people actually DIED in the series, when was the last time a character died in Scooby Doo, and stayed dead? Morgan Moonscar. Jk |
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Post by magicdog on Aug 7, 2017 11:43:47 GMT -5
I must admit that there are times when one takes a second look at their favorite cartoons many years after having first viewed them, they see something they couldn't see because they were too young to understand it. That does include homosexual overtones in certain characters. Truly, though, I never saw Velma as a lesbian and even into adulthood I don't see her as anything more than a, "Plain Jane with a brain".
I'm actually a bit resentful when people automatically stereotype her as such.
I do think the gang's characterizations were meant to be virtual opposites of one another in the name of variety: Fred was handsome and muscular while Shaggy was thin and geeky. Daphne was the beauty, Velma was the plain Jane with glasses. Plus, Velma's look (designed in 1968-69) was a look not uncommon in a lot of [otherwise straight] girls at that time - and not a lesbian fashion statement.
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 15:56:57 GMT -5
If you dare to remember, she sang a pretty intimate song at Daphne during Scooby-Doo 2002 but I don't think we should take that too seriously, or anything in that movie for that matter.
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Post by Ark on Oct 1, 2017 16:09:38 GMT -5
Gunn made fun of Velma a few times in the live action movie but it was edited out. Somebody asks Velma if she's actually a guy. Watch the deleted scenes.
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Post by Ark on Oct 1, 2017 16:11:22 GMT -5
From his own Twitter:
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Post by rightinthetockles on Oct 1, 2017 16:22:03 GMT -5
I remember that now that you mention it. It's been eons since I watched that movie but I think I got rid of my VHS player
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Post by snesgamer on Oct 7, 2017 23:21:31 GMT -5
If you dare to remember, she sang a pretty intimate song at Daphne during Scooby-Doo 2002 but I don't think we should take that too seriously, or anything in that movie for that matter. Haha, yeah - the live-action movies are probably my LAST source for "canon" Scooby info. They're a prime reference of a medium that didn't really care about its source material beyond the superficial elements, and that lazily incorporated every casual opinion into it (aka they made Scrappy a villain and monster JUST to satisfy the very loud fans who hate him, even though him turning into a monster goes against almost everything his character is) |
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Post by russm on Oct 8, 2017 7:41:24 GMT -5
It's been in the wider fandom for a while, esp in fan fiction.
But the point of the show is that it is a fun show aimed at kids. SD:MI turned into a dysfunctional soap opera at times forgetting that things are there for the fun.
In as far as relationships in the show they should either be supportive or for gentle comedy. I don't give a flying Scooby Snack if Velma is portrayed as a lesbian or not, but I will object if it is simply a vehicle to introduce 'drama' and 'tension' in the show.
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Post by scoobnick on Oct 9, 2017 12:10:44 GMT -5
i agree with russm. Mystery Inc could have been subtitled Haunts of our Lives, for all the soap opera stuff. the only relationship that felt normal and well-done was Velma's with Marcie, Velma tried to completely change Shaggy's character, and Daphne- Fred was the insipid Romeo And Juliet type we've seen 10000 times at this point. and scooby was the 5th wheel. If you are going to do Scooby Doo : Dating service, you might as well pair up EVERYBODY.
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