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Post by scooby1 on Nov 5, 2015 16:00:11 GMT -5
I think the show is alright, It's not as good as SDMI, in my opinion, but it is still okay. And I don't know what you are saying I'm making up, the ratings are a 6.1/10 and a 7.1/10. Thats from an unbiased site. And I'm not sure what you don't understand, if a show goes on a hiatus and gets its schedule changed around 3 or four times then its obviously not doing well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Look if you disagree with my opinion thats fine but, in my mind, the only thing that makes sense for this schedule change and hiatus is the bad ratings. Hey scooby1, how's it going? If I may just interject to clear up some confusion on this issue - BCSD did very well in the ratings, in terms of the actual numbers that television studios and networks actually use to determine those things. Random, individual websites aren't considered or even looked at. Those are more for an individual who, for instance, finds that if they normally agree with the other people's opinions on a certain site, say, Rotten Tomatoes, then they will sometimes use that site as a guide to whether or not they might like a specific show or movie about which they're curious. Even then, that curiosity often gets them to watch and decide for themselves. Either way, "ratings" is a fairly specific, technical and scientific term (as far as television goes) for a whole set of different numbers concerning various age groups and genders (demographics) and who was watching what when - and INTERPRETING ratings is a little like astrology. There seems to be all these patterns and ideas that make sense, but you're never really sure WHY or what they mean for the future. BCSD's rating were solid and the vast majority of feedback has been basically positive and can be summed up like: "I thought I would hate it because of how it looks, but I actually love it, despite the look, which I'm getting used to." There is also, certainly, a loud, vocal group who feel the show has somehow ruined Scooby Doo and their childhoods have been destroyed, etc. The old "if it wasn't broken" idea. I still wonder what was so broken about the original program that they had to add Batman and Don Knotts, then what was so broken about THAT, they had to add Scooby Dum and then put Scooby Doo in the Olympics against Yogi Bear - and then why THAT was so broken they were forced to remove most of the gang and put Scrappy in there, and why that was so broken, Daphne became a reporter and there were 13 ghosts, which broke and suddenly the whole gang are tiny children muppet babies, which ended up having to be fixed by (I know I'm not going in exact order but you get my point) turning the franchise into Buffy the Vampire Slayer in Crystal Cove and making the gang all lust for each other? If I were to define the concept of "Scooby Doo" as a comedic animated mystery show about a group of four teenagers, Fred, Velma, Daphne, Shaggy and their talking Great Dane, Scooby, who travel around in a van called the Mystery Machine solving mysteries concerning monsters and ghosts," not many people could argue with me that this is not the essence of Scooby Doo. My question is, of course, how many iterations of the show actually follow that exact formula? I would say that BCSD attempts to "fix" Scooby Doo far less than virtually every single Scooby series since "Where Are You?" We just made it MORE comedic, in every sense. The thing is, BCSD was never supposed to be on CN at all, but they actually LOVE the show SO much they decided to air it there first to give it more exposure. They didn't mess with BCSD's schedule, they messed with THEIR OWN schedule, to accommodate BCSD. Normally a show would premiere and you'd get a new episode every week. But CN decided to get behind it and burn through most of our completed episodes to show everybody their great new show and what it's all about. They've aired about 4 months worth of episodes, so it isn't actually a "hiatus" in the normal sense. We're actually hurrying up to finish more episodes so they can air them! It takes 9-10 months to create one animated episode of a series. What you're seeing is actually the exact opposite of what you're suggesting is so obvious. CN loves BCSD and moved things around in their own schedule to air it, to get people excited about this show they love, before moving it back to it's normal channel and schedule on which it was always meant to be at Boomerang. There was no reaction to "ratings" which triggered moving things around. Trust me, television can't move that quickly. You have sponsors and studios and networks all over the planet all coordinating, sometimes, YEARS in advanced on scheduling, so what CN did shows remarkable faith in the show. WB and CN are very pleased with the ratings and reaction to BCSD and, while I'm sincerely sorry you don't care for BCSD, it's really not going away. Thank you jcb for clearing this issue up, I think that it is fascinating that it takes so long just to make one animated episode. But back to the rating, if you have a copy of them or could even just give us some real numbers that would help me understand a bit better because you said in a post before that you didn't even know that BCSD's schedule changed. Now all of a sudden you claim to know that the ratings are very good and cartoon network loves the show. Look I want to believe that is true because, as I said before I think BCSD is alright, I never said it was bad. And I think you might have contradicted yourself a little bit in your post. You said that cartoon network moved around its schedule for BCSD but then you said in the following sentences that it takes forever to get scheduling changes approved for a show. Thanks again for explaining how everything works but I would just like some hard facts to back up what your saying.
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Post by scoobylover on Nov 5, 2015 16:59:11 GMT -5
[/quote]Thank you jcb for clearing this issue up, I think that it is fascinating that it takes so long just to make one animated episode. But back to the rating, if you have a copy of them or could even just give us some real numbers that would help me understand a bit better because you said in a post before that you didn't even know that BCSD's schedule changed. Now all of a sudden you claim to know that the ratings are very good and cartoon network loves the show. Look I want to believe that is true because, as I said before I think BCSD is alright, I never said it was bad. And I think you might have contradicted yourself a little bit in your post. You said that cartoon network moved around its schedule for BCSD but then you said in the following sentences that it takes forever to get scheduling changes approved for a show. Thanks again for explaining how everything works but I would just like some hard facts to back up what your saying.[/quote]
You have contradicted yourself by saying that you think BCSD is alright and all of your complaints are based on the fact that you are too closed minded about Scooby-Doo's changes! I know this might be out of place but I kinda feel I can put the ones who like traditional Scooby better and don't feel to accept changes on the same level as the people who can't accept gay marriage just because they feel that 'traditional' straight weddings is the only thing that feels right for them. Some accepts canges hardly especially older people because they've lived longer with that version of things (could be Scooby, could be marriage).. I don't know if you get this even though it's a dumb thought.
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Post by jcb on Nov 5, 2015 17:12:02 GMT -5
Hey scooby1, how's it going? If I may just interject to clear up some confusion on this issue - BCSD did very well in the ratings, in terms of the actual numbers that television studios and networks actually use to determine those things. Random, individual websites aren't considered or even looked at. Those are more for an individual who, for instance, finds that if they normally agree with the other people's opinions on a certain site, say, Rotten Tomatoes, then they will sometimes use that site as a guide to whether or not they might like a specific show or movie about which they're curious. Even then, that curiosity often gets them to watch and decide for themselves. Either way, "ratings" is a fairly specific, technical and scientific term (as far as television goes) for a whole set of different numbers concerning various age groups and genders (demographics) and who was watching what when - and INTERPRETING ratings is a little like astrology. There seems to be all these patterns and ideas that make sense, but you're never really sure WHY or what they mean for the future. BCSD's rating were solid and the vast majority of feedback has been basically positive and can be summed up like: "I thought I would hate it because of how it looks, but I actually love it, despite the look, which I'm getting used to." There is also, certainly, a loud, vocal group who feel the show has somehow ruined Scooby Doo and their childhoods have been destroyed, etc. The old "if it wasn't broken" idea. I still wonder what was so broken about the original program that they had to add Batman and Don Knotts, then what was so broken about THAT, they had to add Scooby Dum and then put Scooby Doo in the Olympics against Yogi Bear - and then why THAT was so broken they were forced to remove most of the gang and put Scrappy in there, and why that was so broken, Daphne became a reporter and there were 13 ghosts, which broke and suddenly the whole gang are tiny children muppet babies, which ended up having to be fixed by (I know I'm not going in exact order but you get my point) turning the franchise into Buffy the Vampire Slayer in Crystal Cove and making the gang all lust for each other? If I were to define the concept of "Scooby Doo" as a comedic animated mystery show about a group of four teenagers, Fred, Velma, Daphne, Shaggy and their talking Great Dane, Scooby, who travel around in a van called the Mystery Machine solving mysteries concerning monsters and ghosts," not many people could argue with me that this is not the essence of Scooby Doo. My question is, of course, how many iterations of the show actually follow that exact formula? I would say that BCSD attempts to "fix" Scooby Doo far less than virtually every single Scooby series since "Where Are You?" We just made it MORE comedic, in every sense. The thing is, BCSD was never supposed to be on CN at all, but they actually LOVE the show SO much they decided to air it there first to give it more exposure. They didn't mess with BCSD's schedule, they messed with THEIR OWN schedule, to accommodate BCSD. Normally a show would premiere and you'd get a new episode every week. But CN decided to get behind it and burn through most of our completed episodes to show everybody their great new show and what it's all about. They've aired about 4 months worth of episodes, so it isn't actually a "hiatus" in the normal sense. We're actually hurrying up to finish more episodes so they can air them! It takes 9-10 months to create one animated episode of a series. What you're seeing is actually the exact opposite of what you're suggesting is so obvious. CN loves BCSD and moved things around in their own schedule to air it, to get people excited about this show they love, before moving it back to it's normal channel and schedule on which it was always meant to be at Boomerang. There was no reaction to "ratings" which triggered moving things around. Trust me, television can't move that quickly. You have sponsors and studios and networks all over the planet all coordinating, sometimes, YEARS in advanced on scheduling, so what CN did shows remarkable faith in the show. WB and CN are very pleased with the ratings and reaction to BCSD and, while I'm sincerely sorry you don't care for BCSD, it's really not going away. Thank you jcb for clearing this issue up, I think that it is fascinating that it takes so long just to make one animated episode. But back to the rating, if you have a copy of them or could even just give us some real numbers that would help me understand a bit better because you said in a post before that you didn't even know that BCSD's schedule changed. Now all of a sudden you claim to know that the ratings are very good and cartoon network loves the show. Look I want to believe that is true because, as I said before I think BCSD is alright, I never said it was bad. And I think you might have contradicted yourself a little bit in your post. You said that cartoon network moved around its schedule for BCSD but then you said in the following sentences that it takes forever to get scheduling changes approved for a show. Thanks again for explaining how everything works but I would just like some hard facts to back up what your saying. The contradiction you're referring to was actually my point. It takes a long time to schedule and program a network, so CN's decision to move stuff around to premiere the show on it is a big deal and great show of faith in BCSD - precisely because doing so is normally decided way in advanced. It was originally going to launch on Boomerang, but once CN saw the final shows, they loved them and considered giving them bigger exposure. Because we weren't sure what CN was going to do, I did NOT know what our schedule would be. Also, I'm not allowed to say anything about certain subjects until it is officially announced because things may change, so technically, until something IS officially announced, I do not KNOW it is a fact. I think the BASIC rating numbers (not the complex breakdowns the studio and networks look at) are actually listed in the main Wikipedia page on BCSD in the episode breakdown chart in the last row under "U.S. viewers in millions," which again doesn't show international or the context under which a studio or network decides if they are pleased. Either way, those numbers are considered solid ratings for this show for those specific DAYS and TIMES (which shifted at one point) against what else was airing and within the target demographics. Everybody (the studio and network) are very happy with the show. You're just gonna have to take my word for it. Or not. I'm only the writer - and you know all the old Hollywood jokes about that.
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Post by scooby1 on Nov 5, 2015 17:35:41 GMT -5
Look I don't know what you don't understand, I said the show was alright and I am allowed to have that opinion, just because I don't say everything scooby related is the best thing on earth doesn't make me a close mined person. As for gay marriage, I'm not even sure how you tried to incorporate that into a scooby doo discussion but that is a completely different thing that you are talking about, some people on this site might like BCSD but not agree with gay marriage, who are you to judge them for that? Anyway back to the scooby doo discussion, I actually think SDMI is the best scooby foo yet, so to say I am closed minded is just wrong, so before you judge someone get to know their opinions and get your facts straight.
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Post by scooby1 on Nov 5, 2015 18:10:50 GMT -5
Thank you jcb for clearing this issue up, I think that it is fascinating that it takes so long just to make one animated episode. But back to the rating, if you have a copy of them or could even just give us some real numbers that would help me understand a bit better because you said in a post before that you didn't even know that BCSD's schedule changed. Now all of a sudden you claim to know that the ratings are very good and cartoon network loves the show. Look I want to believe that is true because, as I said before I think BCSD is alright, I never said it was bad. And I think you might have contradicted yourself a little bit in your post. You said that cartoon network moved around its schedule for BCSD but then you said in the following sentences that it takes forever to get scheduling changes approved for a show. Thanks again for explaining how everything works but I would just like some hard facts to back up what your saying. The contradiction you're referring to was actually my point. It takes a long time to schedule and program a network, so CN's decision to move stuff around to premiere the show on it is a big deal and great show of faith in BCSD - precisely because doing so is normally decided way in advanced. It was originally going to launch on Boomerang, but once CN saw the final shows, they loved them and considered giving them bigger exposure. Because we weren't sure what CN was going to do, I did NOT know what our schedule would be. Also, I'm not allowed to say anything about certain subjects until it is officially announced because things may change, so technically, until something IS officially announced, I do not KNOW it is a fact. I think the BASIC rating numbers (not the complex breakdowns the studio and networks look at) are actually listed in the main Wikipedia page on BCSD in the episode breakdown chart in the last row under "U.S. viewers in millions," which again doesn't show international or the context under which a studio or network decides if they are pleased. Either way, those numbers are considered solid ratings for this show for those specific DAYS and TIMES (which shifted at one point) against what else was airing and within the target demographics. Everybody (the studio and network) are very happy with the show. You're just gonna have to take my word for it. Or not. I'm only the writer - and you know all the old Hollywood jokes about that. I did look at the numbers on wikipedia and they are good, I tried to compare them to SDMI but I couldn't find SDMI's rating on wikipedia unfortunately. But I did notice that when they did move BCSD to a different time slot the rating did go down, which confused me because normally when a show is doing well you don't move it to a time slot that gives it worse rating (meaning viewers watching). I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this discussion jcb. I do take your word very highly though, even though we don't agree on everything, and thanks again for answering my questions and being on this site.
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Post by scoobnick on Nov 8, 2015 23:54:41 GMT -5
the fact that they are showing so much scooby is not an indication of low ratings. bcsd is not legends of chima for example, which had pretty low ratings, but which still went on for 3 seasons. as jcb is involved in the show, his opinion matters more than what a fw random reviewers have to say on the topic. i personally am enjoying the show. its a different take of scooby. i would compare this version of scoobby to the many iterations of batman. while none of them can match Batman the Animated Series, many of them have been good - Batman Beyond, the Batman- and each took a slightly different take on an iconic character. likewise, each new scooby show is a different take on scooby.
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