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Post by scoobygeek on Apr 30, 2014 21:12:01 GMT -5
Having watched Scooby Doo since the early 80's, I noticed considerable differences in this episode, from when I used to watch it years ago, to the DVD release that is available today. First difference was when the Mystery Machine sped off on the dock after collecting the coffin, and a figure of the Vampire appeared in the dust. Originally, that figure was colored all red. In the new DVD, the Vampire's full color is shown. Second, Mr Drakyl had a different voice, one that was higher pitched, back in the 80's. The DVD version Drakyl has a rough, grindy voice. Third, the Vampire used to laugh and then covered his face with his cape in the 80's version. He no longer does this on the DVD version. Finally, back in the 80's, probably due to time restraints and commercial placements, I never saw the scene where Shaggy and Scooby are chased by the Vampire on golf carts. This scene never aired on prime time TV, until years later, when cable TV formats permitted. The same went for the very end scene, where Lisa fed the boys burgers as a thank you. This episode used to end with the policeman saying "he'll have a long time to think about that, Miss. Come on, you."
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Post by Doo on May 2, 2014 16:16:32 GMT -5
If you saw it in the 80s (instead of 1977 when on the date originally aired), then it could have had the ending cut because the station was trying to make time for extra commercials. I'm not sure about the other two though.... which DVD is it? I have the Scooby-Doo's Spookiest Tales DVD and I didn't notice either of those things....are you talking about the newest "Scooby Doo and the Vampires" DVD?
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Post by mattpricetime on May 2, 2014 19:46:37 GMT -5
Spookiest Tales has an alternate print used, i believe Vampires uses the "normal" one. (or did i just reverse that?)
Just for a quick history lesson to explain to those who are completely alien to what I just said. A lot of these shows have "normal"/"original" masters sitting in the vault. In order to show them copies are made. Cartoon Network for example made all of theirs many years ago when the channel got started. Hence why some cartoons that look fine on Boomerang today had to be remastered or restored for DVD, Boomerang is reflecting what they looked like 10 years ago.
However due not per some channels some of the alt copies that exist have been edited as they saw fit. Warner Home Video in a couple instances have been accused of using some of these alt copies to put some things out on DVD, instead of going to the vault. Warner Archive in contrast is stuck to just use what's in the vault. Which in itself sometimes creates problems since in some cases some things were never on the show masters themselves or in some cases intersentials, openings, credits were on their own masters to be quickly substituted for repackaging. And now as a result some of those type things might be really lost, and not just lazily not used.
In this case however the version you originally saw, and have seen in reruns on CN/Boom is the official version, and the one circulating on whichever of those dvds it is, is the alternate. Who made and why they made it is something i'm not sure about, but it is without a doubt just an alternate cut.
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Post by Doo on May 2, 2014 19:59:02 GMT -5
Looking back at this thread, I think I may know where you saw this version. When Scooby used to air on USA, they cut down the episodes a lot when they ran them (in some instances, about 4-5 minutes of the episode was completely cut out). I remember in USA's copy of the episode, the ending of it was completely cut off, as well as many other scenes, including the 2-minute long scene where Shaggy and the dogs were chased by the vampire on the golf carts (in USA's copy, they cut from where Shaggy said "leave it to old Shag to find a safe hiding place" straight to where Shaggy and the dogs found the rest of the gang in the coffin room).
That still doesn't explain the different voices and the vampire scene though.
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Post by mattpricetime on May 3, 2014 0:16:36 GMT -5
I suppose it's possible there were two versions of it around. Where as the one with the other voice and slight changes was the one to get given to USA to cut down, and the other version was also around or got "unearthed" upon Cartoon Network making copies.
This however is a fascinating bit of a historic puzzle. Does anyone else have memories of what version it was you saw and when? We might be able to match up some things as to how it happened.
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Post by scoobygeek on May 3, 2014 14:30:20 GMT -5
Spookiest Tales has an alternate print used, i believe Vampires uses the "normal" one. (or did i just reverse that?) Just for a quick history lesson to explain to those who are completely alien to what I just said. A lot of these shows have "normal"/"original" masters sitting in the vault. In order to show them copies are made. Cartoon Network for example made all of theirs many years ago when the channel got started. Hence why some cartoons that look fine on Boomerang today had to be remastered or restored for DVD, Boomerang is reflecting what they looked like 10 years ago. However due not per some channels some of the alt copies that exist have been edited as they saw fit. Warner Home Video in a couple instances have been accused of using some of these alt copies to put some things out on DVD, instead of going to the vault. Warner Archive in contrast is stuck to just use what's in the vault. Which in itself sometimes creates problems since in some cases some things were never on the show masters themselves or in some cases intersentials, openings, credits were on their own masters to be quickly substituted for repackaging. And now as a result some of those type things might be really lost, and not just lazily not used. In this case however the version you originally saw, and have seen in reruns on CN/Boom is the official version, and the one circulating on whichever of those dvds it is, is the alternate. Who made and why they made it is something i'm not sure about, but it is without a doubt just an alternate cut. "Spookiest Tales" definitely has the alternate version of Vampires, Bats and Scaredy Cats. The other episodes on "Spookiest Tales" are as I remember them from years ago. I never saw the "Vampires" DVD....yet. Wow! Thanks to everyone for joining in on this one. I thought I was crazy or my memory was starting to go!!! Yes, there are definitely alternate versions, as well as commercial cuts made in the 80's. Examples of commercial cuts that I can think of off the top of my head are: Harem Scarum Sanitarium - 80's version - cut scene was where Shag and Scooby dressed up in scrubs and told Dr Coffin that he should see a doctor. Cut ending - after the arrest of "Officer Oldfield" and company, Shag asks "what about Dr Goosebury?" (Tewksbury), Fred answers "he had nothing to do with it" "How do you like that? He slept through the whole thing!" gang laughs. End of show. Yet at the true end, Daphne remarks at how well Scooby dances, and the two dogs try to get a last dance with him, but he runs off, scared. No Faced Zombie - the episode used to cut out at the point where the gang explains that Mr Dally and the night watchman were tied up in the storeroom. Now, I get to enjoy the scene at the true end, where Mr. Dally opened up the cafeteria for the gang as a thanks, and all the duplicate Scoobs are chowing down on burgers. Grand Prix Race - Scooby chases the phantom bone during the race that Mr. Osborne can finally sponsor. this was also cut in the 80's Chiller Diller Movie Thriller - after the studio chief Jim Moss (Shaggy called him "the detective???") is seen behind bars at Boothville Jail, the US commercial version used to end. Now the gang goes to Hollywood so Scooby Dee can get her Golden Rover award.. Also, the Milo Booth on the train wrestling with Fred used to be bald back in the 80's. Versions circulating around today have him with a full head of hair when Veema cries out "It IS Milo Booth". Ozark Witch Switch - after the arrest of Aggie Wilkins and Zeek Harkins, the gang remembers the Morse code S M in the dirt from earler, and tells the sheriff that "S M means sawmill, and that's where you will find she tied up the Hatfields"..... end of episode. Now, the Hatfields invite the gang for dinner, and it turns into "feeding time at the zoo." and so the mystery gets more and more mysterious......muhahahaha
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Post by Ark on Jun 11, 2015 19:32:08 GMT -5
Spookiest Tales VHS vs iTunes version. Very clear differences. I think Spookiest Tales has the final vault version.
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Post by scoob16 on Jul 21, 2015 1:42:59 GMT -5
I recently stumbled upon old Scooby episodes dubbed in Greek back from when I watched them on TV when I was in kindergarten. Aw, the memories... :')
Anyway, I also found "Vampire Bats and Scaredy Cats". It's dubbed in Greek, so you can't tell the difference between voices, but it definitely shows the vampire appearing red into dust. And when the gang meets the ferry captain, and Daphne asks "Who's that?", the shot looks as if it's from the inside of the Mystery Machine. In the Spookiest Tales version, it shows the shot of solely the captain waving them to stop. I think I'll post the differences sometime. But the Spookiest Tales DVD definitely has another version. I don't know about the Vampires DVD though.
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Post by Doo on Aug 6, 2015 19:50:10 GMT -5
That's interesting that they'd make two different versions.
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Post by Ark on Jun 9, 2016 13:18:17 GMT -5
It's just odd that there's so many versions of something I had always thought would be the same. Weird.
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Post by Chorake on Nov 9, 2018 16:43:28 GMT -5
Made some direct audiovisual comparisons of the two cuts:
Frank Welker's Dracul (rough cut) vs. Casey Kasem's Dracul (finished cut):
Side by side comparison of a scene that has some stark animation differences and framing choices (rough cut is on the right/the Teletoon airing):
Also, just to be sure, the version of the episode that's on BOTH the VHS and DVD of the Spookiest Tales compilation IS the rough/unfinished cut, right?
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Post by Ark on Jan 12, 2019 23:07:25 GMT -5
Nope. VHS is the rough, DVD is the final second one. Just checked. That's super weird.
Chorake, thank you so much for doing these comparisons!
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Post by creepsandcrawls on Jul 18, 2019 23:44:11 GMT -5
Anyone Know where I can find the original rough cut from VHS spookiest tales Online? If so, send the link
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Post by tubbychurch on Jun 24, 2021 5:29:13 GMT -5
Omg just discovered this forum after years of obsessing over the voice change and thought I was going crazy!! A grown woman obsessed with Scooby-Doo, I’m so glad I’m here and have found my people.
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Post by fraphnelover16 on Dec 27, 2021 7:26:47 GMT -5
I prefer the original, rough cut over the final, weird cut. The rough cut was obviously better.
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