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Post by Matt_the_miner_49er on Jan 16, 2015 9:07:14 GMT -5
I don't think it was intended to be a relationship per say. You see this a lot with people who are extremely competitive toward each other, they spend so much time studying each other that they kind of fall in love. They don't want to see each other fail, but they will stab each other in the back if it means putting themselves ahead. I think of bodybuilders, especially Schwarzenegger/Ferrigno or Schwarzenegger/Franco. I'm a huge gym rat and I see these competition guys together and you would swear they are gay. They train together, they touch and look at each other 24/7, they always hang out together, they totally seem like a couple, but all the time one is doing little things behind the scenes to sabotage the other one. I think its more a case of keep you enemies closer...but sometimes you end up liking your enemies lol Well in the finale Marcie ended up holding off the evil robot things for Velma to give her more time ahead of the old mystery incorporated gang. They also worked together when Marcie was part of the gang and when they worked for Mr.E, so I feel like you would be right for a while until the competition turns into friendship, and friendship turns to romance. This is true, but the goal for these types isn't to see their competition fail, in fact they want them to win. They just want to be the one to beat them, not anyone else. I could be wrong, I never thought much about it until I read this thread and then it hit me that I'd seen this type of behavior before lol
It could be personal prejudice also. I do not support the LGBT community (not due to any political or religious sentiment) so I would hate to see it in my favorite show. However, it is my personal opinion so I wouldn't hold it against Scooby in any way. I'd still watch and enjoy it just the same. The only way that I'd stop supporting it if it was, as Mark said earlier in the thread, gay for the sake of being gay, and most people are pretty good at spotting the difference in something that is naturally occurring and something that has been placed for shock factor.
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 19, 2015 17:45:26 GMT -5
kids get things a lot better than we ever give them credit for. for now i agree we'll get an implied (if strongly so), but in afew years , it will be explicit.
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Post by Ark on Apr 11, 2015 9:45:32 GMT -5
What about Beau?
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Post by Soupperson on Jan 1, 2016 10:46:51 GMT -5
I think it was basically confirmed with her hugging that photo. The series isn't part of the main canon so it doesn't matter anyway ;D
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Post by iamnotanaddictimafan on Jan 9, 2016 0:28:28 GMT -5
Why is she called Hot Dog Water, that name doesn't make sense.
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Post by iamnotanaddictimafan on Jan 9, 2016 0:32:37 GMT -5
Well, Scooby is Scooby, but it still remains more of a kids show, so I don't think/I hope they don't go that way... You are being homophobic!
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Post by russm on Jan 9, 2016 8:06:28 GMT -5
Why is she called Hot Dog Water, that name doesn't make sense. It's explained in one of the episodes, basically to save money she used to be bathed in the same water that the hot-dogs were cooked in (not at the same time of course).
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Post by russm on Jan 9, 2016 8:18:12 GMT -5
Well, Scooby is Scooby, but it still remains more of a kids show, so I don't think/I hope they don't go that way... You are being homophobic! Saying you don't want relationships in a show is not homophobic or anything phobic. The inclusion of relationships, and the toxic nature of those relationships, in SD:MI was the single biggest mistake the writers made. Children are really not interested in who is/is not daring who etc so all you are doing by adding it in is wasting space. There are more than enough relationship soap operas on tv, we don't need Scooby Doo added to their number. Whatever the orientation of the relationship, I don't want them in Scooby Doo.
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Post by scooby1 on Jan 9, 2016 11:05:34 GMT -5
You are being homophobic! Saying you don't want relationships in a show is not homophobic or anything phobic. The inclusion of relationships, and the toxic nature of those relationships, in SD:MI was the single biggest mistake the writers made. Children are really not interested in who is/is not daring who etc so all you are doing by adding it in is wasting space. There are more than enough relationship soap operas on tv, we don't need Scooby Doo added to their number. Whatever the orientation of the relationship, I don't want them in Scooby Doo. I just don't think they were a couple. They were just best friends that's all. Never in SDMI did either HDW or Velma say there were in love or anything like that, they just seemed like they were good friends. I'm not even sure how you could think they were a couple because Velma seemed to like Shaggy throughout the entire season even through the last episode.
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Post by Doo on Jan 9, 2016 13:19:02 GMT -5
Well, Scooby is Scooby, but it still remains more of a kids show, so I don't think/I hope they don't go that way... You are being homophobic! No he isn't, all he's saying is that because it's intended to be for kids who don't really care about the romance side of it, he would prefer not to have any of the romance in the series (whether straight or lesbian).
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Post by scoobylover on Jan 11, 2016 16:45:18 GMT -5
So,first of all, I also remember Tony Cervone tweeting that there was obviously more then a friendship between them. So they made the audience decide. Second, they played a lot with the rumor of Velma being lesbian that has been around for years. Third, LGBT characters are being introduced in shows slowly. Like in Clearence and We Bear Bears, finally! This step has to be made if we want our world to evolve.
Talking about Velma and her relationships, no Mark I dont think that could be an offense to the LGBT community at all. Velma is a teenager, she's discovering herself and what better way for the authors to including it in a kids cartoon, in closed-minded times, then by not mention sexuality at all and just let her be. Actually, I think that on the other side, having just gay characters that we know from the beginning that are gay, could be wrong. I mean of course we should know if a character is gay, but he doesnt have to say it to anyone, just let it be. In the storyline he will meet a boy/girl, they would fall in love and that's it. In the whole show you can also never prononuce the word 'gay' and that would mean tollerance at its best. Isnt that the whole point of it? Treating everyone as equal? To me, 'gay' is already a word that can discriminate, but, unluckly, for now and years to come this word is essential for our society. So stepping back to our Velma, Im really sure shes a pansexual discovering herself and thats how the authors inteded her to be, cause just some of the aspects of this show are for kids but most of them wanted it to be a lot more complex tv series so grown-ups could relate to it.
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Post by iamnotanaddictimafan on Jan 21, 2016 17:46:00 GMT -5
Please call her Marcie as I read on the Scoobypedia that her nickname was "cruel."
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Post by barneynedward on Jan 28, 2017 22:28:50 GMT -5
I just though they were friends, but then i saw the intro with HDW holding a picture of Velma and hugging it, then i though they were a couple. Plus the whole break up like think in "Web of the dreamweaver" and the "That'' my Girl!" HDW said in "Come Undone". So what do you think? I think they were a couple kinda? I think Velma only saw her a surrogate sister.
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 28, 2017 23:08:36 GMT -5
no, shes not a surrogate sister barney. this was a relationship between very good friends, and quite possibly more than that. of all the various relationships in MI, it was handled the best, not that that is saying much.
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Post by russm on May 16, 2017 10:23:00 GMT -5
it was via tony as i recall. but as views visa vis gay relationships continue to change. you might be more open about it in toons in the future. i mean how many times did bugs dress up as a chick and kiss elmer in looney tunes. and yes they were a couple. DO you have a link/source for this?
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