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Post by russm on Apr 30, 2014 16:10:43 GMT -5
there have been jokes about Velma being gay for years, perhaps the relationship with Hot Dog Water was the developers way of giving a wink to that old saw. i fully expect there to be more gay or lesbian couples in toons in the future,and having a gay or lesbian couple in scooby would make no difference to me watching the show. This may be more my misfiring memory but wasn't there some reports that about ~20 mins of the first live action film hit the cutting room floor because it implied something was going on between Daphne & Velma.
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Post by russm on Apr 30, 2014 16:18:46 GMT -5
i'd wager we'd all still watch it. I would provided they 1. Didn't make a complete hash of it like they did the relationships in SD:MI and 2. It wasn't the focus of the show.
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Post by scoobnick on Apr 30, 2014 16:49:04 GMT -5
there have been jokes about Velma being gay for years, perhaps the relationship with Hot Dog Water was the developers way of giving a wink to that old saw. i fully expect there to be more gay or lesbian couples in toons in the future,and having a gay or lesbian couple in scooby would make no difference to me watching the show. This may be more my misfiring memory but wasn't there some reports that about ~20 mins of the first live action film hit the cutting room floor because it implied something was going on between Daphne & Velma. in the cut scene, Velma and Daphne shared a kiss, where they 'switched souls'. it was a nod to the lengthy lesbian kiss Sarah Michelle Gellar shared with Selma Blair in Cruel Intentions.
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Post by scoobnick on Apr 30, 2014 16:51:01 GMT -5
i'd wager we'd all still watch it. I would provided they 1. Didn't make a complete hash of it like they did the relationships in SD:MI and 2. It wasn't the focus of the show. i would imagine i would not be the main focus, and it hopefully would not be completely botched in its execution.
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Post by Doo on May 2, 2014 16:29:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing this if they did it right (and not extreme like the Shelma relationship in SDMI). But, like others have said I don't think they would do any lesbian relationships in Scooby because it is a kids show and it probably wouldn't get past the censors.
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Post by scoobnick on Dec 13, 2014 19:57:07 GMT -5
you'd be surprised doo much they can sneak past the sensors. video games have been doing that sort of thing for years. kids, in my view, get things a lot better than we give them credit for. If its done in a tasteful way I see no reason why it cant be part of the show.
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Post by ahkyahnan on Dec 20, 2014 14:50:30 GMT -5
Interesting topic. I'd certainly support a gay character, but I'd prefer a new character whose personality was well thought out and fully developed from the beginning, rather than resorting to TV's frequent tactic of just taking a character whose not dating anyone and suddenly turning them into 'the gay one' just to look like they're diversity minded.
I actually see that as an insult to the LBGT community. Like if a girl likes a guy, and he breaks up with her, it's just 'natural' somehow that she'll spontaneously change her sexuality. (For the girls on this site, is that what happens when a guy dumps you...even for a dog?) And they always choose the most 'stereotypically gay' character too. Lots of TV shows have done that, like Mad About You for example, and to me it always seemed a desperate attempt to 'catch up' to other shows that were handling the subject in a much better fashion, so I'm kinda glad SD:MI didn't go down that road. Maybe re-think the subject and incorporate it with more forethought in the next serious SD series.
Sorry for the soapbox thing, but this particular tendency in TV has always bugged me a bit, and I think it would be much more respectful to LBGT viewers to properly create a character from the outset of a new series and do it right.
Mark
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Post by scoobnick on Dec 27, 2014 2:53:43 GMT -5
I agree mark. the whole " Lets have a gay situation on our show!" was often a rating tactic to draw viewers into shows, most often involving a lesbian kiss for the "shock value' especially in the mid -90s." Sweeps bait" i think is the term for stunts like that.
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Post by Maybeth on Dec 28, 2014 15:55:10 GMT -5
Interesting topic. I'd certainly support a gay character, but I'd prefer a new character whose personality was well thought out and fully developed from the beginning, rather than resorting to TV's frequent tactic of just taking a character whose not dating anyone and suddenly turning them into 'the gay one' just to look like they're diversity minded. I actually see that as an insult to the LBGT community. Like if a girl likes a guy, and he breaks up with her, it's just 'natural' somehow that she'll spontaneously change her sexuality. (For the girls on this site, is that what happens when a guy dumps you...even for a dog?) And they always choose the most 'stereotypically gay' character too. Lots of TV shows have done that, like Mad About You for example, and to me it always seemed a desperate attempt to 'catch up' to other shows that were handling the subject in a much better fashion, so I'm kinda glad SD:MI didn't go down that road. Maybe re-think the subject and incorporate it with more forethought in the next serious SD series. Sorry for the soapbox thing, but this particular tendency in TV has always bugged me a bit, and I think it would be much more respectful to LBGT viewers to properly create a character from the outset of a new series and do it right. Mark I agree on that being a tactic rather than the actual plot in many shows. I don't think there were any romantic feelings in the relationship Velma had with Marcy. They were good friends and no solid signs in the show proved anything other but that. It wasn't confirmed by the creators either. I wouldn't support that kind of relationship, but I would have to agree, that if it existed in any show, they would have to develop it from the beggining and not just push it this way all of a sudden for the ratings.This happened in 'The Legend of Korra', where a friendly relationship between two characters was suddenly turned into a romantic one, in one episode and was confirmed by the creators. The fun thing was that both characters begun as rivals since they had a crush on the same man. And after things didn't go well, the creators chose to 'change their sexuality'...
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Post by scoobnick on Jan 4, 2015 16:07:50 GMT -5
i tend to think Marcie was gay and i think she was very interested in Velma.
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 4, 2015 16:12:37 GMT -5
i tend to think Marcie was gay and i think she was very interested in Velma. Yeah, I agree fully.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Jan 11, 2015 21:19:37 GMT -5
I'm not really educated in the subject, but I'd bet there would be outrage towards an openly gay or bi character in a children's cartoon. For now, I think at best we'd get an implied LGBT character, like the whole Velma/HDW situation. I'd be all for one in a Scooby cartoon though if handled properly! Vlema/HDW was really sweet.
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 13, 2015 22:25:02 GMT -5
I'm not really educated in the subject, but I'd bet there would be outrage towards an openly gay or bi character in a children's cartoon. For now, I think at best we'd get an implied LGBT character, like the whole Velma/HDW situation. I'd be all for one in a Scooby cartoon though if handled properly! Vlema/HDW was really sweet. :) I don't think so. In Korra , Korrasami was canon (yay!), and there was more fangirling than anything (gulity), of course they didn't kiss, but they did hold hands. Bryke confirmed it and there was anger from a few, but it's 2015 and most people by now have learned to accept it. As an openly bi person, there isn't really as much outrage in today's world which I find great.
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Post by Matt_the_miner_49er on Jan 15, 2015 22:29:22 GMT -5
I don't think it was intended to be a relationship per say. You see this a lot with people who are extremely competitive toward each other, they spend so much time studying each other that they kind of fall in love. They don't want to see each other fail, but they will stab each other in the back if it means putting themselves ahead. I think of bodybuilders, especially Schwarzenegger/Ferrigno or Schwarzenegger/Franco. I'm a huge gym rat and I see these competition guys together and you would swear they are gay. They train together, they touch and look at each other 24/7, they always hang out together, they totally seem like a couple, but all the time one is doing little things behind the scenes to sabotage the other one. I think its more a case of keep you enemies closer...but sometimes you end up liking your enemies lol
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 16, 2015 0:33:04 GMT -5
I don't think it was intended to be a relationship per say. You see this a lot with people who are extremely competitive toward each other, they spend so much time studying each other that they kind of fall in love. They don't want to see each other fail, but they will stab each other in the back if it means putting themselves ahead. I think of bodybuilders, especially Schwarzenegger/Ferrigno or Schwarzenegger/Franco. I'm a huge gym rat and I see these competition guys together and you would swear they are gay. They train together, they touch and look at each other 24/7, they always hang out together, they totally seem like a couple, but all the time one is doing little things behind the scenes to sabotage the other one. I think its more a case of keep you enemies closer...but sometimes you end up liking your enemies lol Well in the finale Marcie ended up holding off the evil robot things for Velma to give her more time ahead of the old mystery incorporated gang. They also worked together when Marcie was part of the gang and when they worked for Mr.E, so I feel like you would be right for a while until the competition turns into friendship, and friendship turns to romance.
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