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Post by Maybeth on Dec 28, 2014 16:07:57 GMT -5
I'm a fond Fraphne fan. I think they're very cute together!
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 4, 2015 14:30:48 GMT -5
I'm a total Shaphne addict. I loved the way it was executed by HB, they slowly built up the relationship and it finally became a thing in "The New Scooby And Scrappy Doo Show". The two developed as characters together until the very end, where their relationship was set in stone by "13 Ghosts". They're closer than Fred and Daphne have ever been, and they play off of each other very well. The Fred and Daphne relationship is just based on stupid old stereotypes by non-Scooby fans that WB has been milking since "Bravo Dooby Doo". The two have nothing in common and Fred is always very harsh towards Daphne, even going for other women. Daphne has been reduced to a love sick idiot with no self-respect, and Fred completely lost any common sense he had for his love of traps. Just because he's a "jock" and she's a "pretty rich girl" doesn't mean they have to be paired up. The Shpahne relationship was sweet and didn't detract from the show or get in the way of the gang. They're such a lovely couple and it works so well. I'd love for it to make a comeback. On the bright side, they were at least a canon couple for HB's final Scooby production and original timeline. I also agree about HB's Fraphne, as that didn't detract from the show much, neither did WB's early attempts at resurrecting the pair. I'll also add that I never shipped any Scooby characters until my series marathon until last year. By the time I got to "No Thanks, Masked Manx", I just knew Shaphne was a thing and I fell in love with it instantly. I didn't care about relationships before that, and I thought Fraphne was the way it was supposed to be because of WB and the live action movies, before I was a Scooby Addict. I even thought Shelma was cute in "Curse Of The Lake Monster", and still do, but that's a completely unrelated universe with very different characters. My eyes were opened up by the series marathon, and I was sick and tired of Fraphne by the end of Mystery Incorporated, it and Shelma caused too much drama for the group. (P.S. I totally shipped Toph and Aang, I never cared much for "Kataang".) I didn't care for Kataang either, but I think Sokka and Toph are better together.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Jan 11, 2015 21:23:29 GMT -5
I'm a total Shaphne addict. I loved the way it was executed by HB, they slowly built up the relationship and it finally became a thing in "The New Scooby And Scrappy Doo Show". The two developed as characters together until the very end, where their relationship was set in stone by "13 Ghosts". They're closer than Fred and Daphne have ever been, and they play off of each other very well. The Fred and Daphne relationship is just based on stupid old stereotypes by non-Scooby fans that WB has been milking since "Bravo Dooby Doo". The two have nothing in common and Fred is always very harsh towards Daphne, even going for other women. Daphne has been reduced to a love sick idiot with no self-respect, and Fred completely lost any common sense he had for his love of traps. Just because he's a "jock" and she's a "pretty rich girl" doesn't mean they have to be paired up. The Shpahne relationship was sweet and didn't detract from the show or get in the way of the gang. They're such a lovely couple and it works so well. I'd love for it to make a comeback. On the bright side, they were at least a canon couple for HB's final Scooby production and original timeline. I also agree about HB's Fraphne, as that didn't detract from the show much, neither did WB's early attempts at resurrecting the pair. I'll also add that I never shipped any Scooby characters until my series marathon until last year. By the time I got to "No Thanks, Masked Manx", I just knew Shaphne was a thing and I fell in love with it instantly. I didn't care about relationships before that, and I thought Fraphne was the way it was supposed to be because of WB and the live action movies, before I was a Scooby Addict. I even thought Shelma was cute in "Curse Of The Lake Monster", and still do, but that's a completely unrelated universe with very different characters. My eyes were opened up by the series marathon, and I was sick and tired of Fraphne by the end of Mystery Incorporated, it and Shelma caused too much drama for the group. (P.S. I totally shipped Toph and Aang, I never cared much for "Kataang".) I didn't care for Kataang either, but I think Sokka and Toph are better together. I've been meaning to watch that show again for quite some time now. I'll have to keep an eye out for that pairing if I ever get around to it! I loved The Last Airbender and used to watch it pretty often during the original airings and reruns. I tried keeping up with Korra, but missed out on the second season due to being in college. I did enjoy what I saw though! On topic, I'm still a Shaphne addict. I just remembered how in the first live-action film it really seemed like they were going for a Shaphne pairing until the random Fraphne kiss at the end. Still I can dream can't I?
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 13, 2015 21:53:45 GMT -5
I didn't care for Kataang either, but I think Sokka and Toph are better together. I've been meaning to watch that show again for quite some time now. I'll have to keep an eye out for that pairing if I ever get around to it! I loved The Last Airbender and used to watch it pretty often during the original airings and reruns. I tried keeping up with Korra, but missed out on the second season due to being in college. I did enjoy what I saw though! On topic, I'm still a Shaphne addict. :) I just remembered how in the first live-action film it really seemed like they were going for a Shaphne pairing until the random Fraphne kiss at the end. Still I can dream can't I? (rofl) I missed the last part of Korra along with the second and third seasons. The live action sounds kind of like what they did in ATLA, they had a steady friendship between two characters than a random kiss at the end which I never understood. In my opinion I think Zutara had way more chemistry than Kataang could ever have and it was supposed to be canon until Bryke changed his mind.
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Post by Jeepers on Feb 8, 2015 18:20:18 GMT -5
I'm a serious Shaphne fan and have been ever since I can remember. I even recall being a kid and mentioning Shaggy and Daphne in a relationship and my mom or someone saying: "No sweetie, I think she's supposed to be with Fred." I believe Shaphne first occurred to me while watching the Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? episode: Never Ape an Ape Man. As soon as Daphne offered Shaggy a special Shaggy-snack with all those crazy foods in a pizza crust covered in chocolate sauce or whatever, I knew it was love. This love of Shaphne followed me to The New Scooby-Doo movies, 13 Ghosts, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo and beyond. I see hints of Shaphne all over, even contributing to a topic on fan-fiction net that points out all the subtle Shaphne references in different Scooby-media throughout the years. Fraphne always seemed very forced to me, like it was hinted just because that's what people expected to happen because she was the pretty girl and he was the jock-type. Plus I have this long theory where Shaggy/Daphne was implied from the very beginning because of the complimentary colors of their very design and their obvious definitive 60's styles; styles that Fred and Velma didn't share in as overtly. (Yeah, graphics/art training overload there; no one wants to get me started on that.) As much as I love the golden-era movies, ( Zombie Island, Alien Invaders, Witch's Ghost, Cyber Chase), the obvious Fraphne irritated me quite a bit. The thing I loved about Shaphne was that it was always implied but never stated outright. During 13 Ghosts it is implied that there is a relationship as Daphne and Shaggy appear to be living together, go on vacations together and seemingly share the same hotel room and go to family functions together but it's never said. (Which may be a curse seeing as how everyone is content to ignore that these instances ever happened now.) Shaphne left room for debate, imagination and even room to ignore ships altogether in the series if that's what floats your boat. Scooby-Doo was, for a long time, a form of media that proved in spades that not everything has to have romance to be entertaining. Now that's gone and I honestly wish it was back even more than I wish for Shaphne to return because that way Shaphne, Fraphne, Shelma and Frelma fans are all appeased because nothing is definite. The implied doesn't ostracize anyone and it doesn't clutter up the episodes and mysteries like the thrown-in-your-face-romance does. Overt series romance has also ruined Daphne's character development in my opinion. In the beginning of the franchise, Daphne was just a pretty face. A bit clumsy, sometimes clever but still just a beauty queen. The New Scooby-Doo Movies and 13 Ghosts really started to fill out her personality and shape who she was. We got to know Daphne during the late 70's/early 80's and I really, really enjoyed that. She took on a leadership role, proved her worth and we finally saw what was behind the short mod dresses, heels and impeccable hair; a determined woman with thoughts, feelings and a mind of her own. Zombie Island continued in this same vein in a way, what with Daphne being successful as a reporter but after that she regressed. Daphne Blake is once again the clumsy beauty queen only now it's worse! She's a lovesick, clingy, clumsy beauty queen and I find that I don't like her one bit. I personally blame Twilight, 50 Shades and all that other crappy, needy "romantic" media that teaches young girls they need a man to be complete, content human beings. Shelma as a pairing was never my thing but it never actively bothered me until Mystery Inc came out and Velma tried to force Shaggy to choose between she and Scooby. I can honestly tell you that I had endured sickeningly pathetic Fraphne for every episode up to that point; that was the moment I quit Mystery Inc. for good and never looked back. (I even hesitate to watch the newer movies because that scarred me so badly.) Frelma never appealed to me either and I'm not sure why as many Shaphne shippers ship Frelma. A part of me feels like that would be too perfect, too compact for all of the gang to be involved with each other; I usually don't like things like that unless that's how it is from the beginning. (Situations like I Know What You Did Last Summer; especially since that was pretty realistic in that both couples were torn apart and the gang wasn't the same.) Another part of me feels like they're too much alike to get along well enough to be in a realistic-relationship. (Because that's what Scooby-Doo is about; realism!) But honestly, they're both too similar and I don't like that about the Frelma pairing. I'd much rather see both of them in a relationship outside of the gang. (Like when Fred was attracted to Lena in ZI or Velma's interest in Beau ( ZI) and Ben Ravencroft ( Witch's Ghost).) Oh wow. This is much longer than I originally intended it to be. *blushes* P.S. I shipped Zutara and stopped watching the show when I found out that Kataang would become canon. Yes, I know: how shallow of me. In all fairness, though it wasn't just the Kataang pairing that turned me off. It was the suspicion that the Kataang pairing was going to throw Aang even further to the forefront of the show and push Zuko, who I found infinitely more interesting, to the back-burner. Feel free to tell me if I was wrong.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Feb 17, 2015 22:45:59 GMT -5
I'm a serious Shaphne fan and have been ever since I can remember. Excellent post, Jeepers! I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the pairing! <3 Shaphne is probably my third favorite couple out of things I "ship". They'll always have a place in my heart regardless of whether or not WB continues with the forced Fraphne paring.
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Post by Jeepers on Feb 18, 2015 10:14:20 GMT -5
I'm a serious Shaphne fan and have been ever since I can remember. Excellent post, Jeepers! I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the pairing! <3 Shaphne is probably my third favorite couple out of things I "ship". They'll always have a place in my heart regardless of whether or not WB continues with the forced Fraphne paring. Thank you! They'll always have a special place in mine too no matter what happens. You know now I'm pretty curious as to what your other two favorite ships are, haha.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Feb 19, 2015 22:09:16 GMT -5
Excellent post, Jeepers! I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the pairing! <3 Shaphne is probably my third favorite couple out of things I "ship". They'll always have a place in my heart regardless of whether or not WB continues with the forced Fraphne paring. Thank you! They'll always have a special place in mine too no matter what happens. You know now I'm pretty curious as to what your other two favorite ships are, haha. They're two MxM parings from my favorite video game franchise. Are you a gamer? If so, you might know of them. I love Shaphne, but actually controlling a character and seeing/controlling the developing relationships myself made me connect to them much more than watching a relationship blossom on a TV show.
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Post by Jeepers on Feb 20, 2015 9:28:44 GMT -5
I do game, not a lot in recent years but I do game so I might know. And I agree, controlling characters makes you closer to them. That's why I was really happy when they sort of went Scooby-Doo video game crazy a couple years ago when the PS2 was still out. I love taking charge and being in the mystery instead of just watching it. I really wish they would make more Scooby games.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Feb 20, 2015 21:11:14 GMT -5
I do game, not a lot in recent years but I do game so I might know. And I agree, controlling characters makes you closer to them. That's why I was really happy when they sort of went Scooby-Doo video game crazy a couple years ago when the PS2 was still out. I love taking charge and being in the mystery instead of just watching it. I really wish they would make more Scooby games. My favorites come form the video games Dragon Age (Anders/Garrett Hawke) and Mass Effect (Kaidan Alenko/John Shepard). The company is pretty LGBT friendly in their games and the allow the player to pursue a romance with a character of the same gender. It's what attracted me to the games and I fell in love with them and the characters. I'd love for them to release more Scooby games too! On topic, I converted my sisters in Shaphne fans! They thought it was supposed to be Fred and Dapphne because of Mystery Incorporated. They actually enjoy the episodes with just Shaggy/Daphne very much. They love 13 Ghosts!
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Post by Jeepers on Feb 20, 2015 21:18:25 GMT -5
Heard of Mass Effect and very vaguely know of Dragon Age but I'm not a big RPG person so there goes that, haha.
I honestly don't know how anyone could hate the episodes with just Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby. The gang is so much closer, if only in terms of friendship, and the mysteries/cases usually end up getting solved a lot quicker with just the three of them. There's a certain dynamic that these three characters have and I really enjoy watching it play out and I think that's what other people who favor these series' like about it too.
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Post by russm on Feb 21, 2015 6:27:27 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how anyone could hate the episodes with just Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby. Well to answer your question (some serious, some not) 1. I prefer Velma to Daphne - but to clarify this doesn't mean I dislike Daphne 2. I like the interaction between the whole gang, there is more opportunity for interplay, humour and revealing facets of their characters (but the writers have to be up to this) 3. Velma 4. If you are going to strip the show down then IMO it should be just Shaggy and Scooby (though I think it would be fun to have an episode or two with just Daphne & Velma - Totally Spies comes to mind but more serious) 5. Did I say I really like Velma? 6. I prefer shipping to be either at sea on in Fan Fiction not in the shows as it just annoys too many people or worse, drives them away. For example I suspect that the Shaphne fans would scream the place down if there was conspicuous Shelma in Be Cool or a future movie. 7. Can't find a diplomatic way of saying it, but there is a 7 th reason. 8. None of them say Jinkies or wear glasses. 9. The gang is as close or as distant as the writers choose them to be, I've seen some dire personal interactions in the series where the writers either misjudged the scene, gave the wrong instructions to the VA's, just going out of their way to hack off the viewers or forget they are writing a children's cartoon and think it's an adult soap opera (one in scene particular stick in my mind where the usual gentle ribbing that Shaggy and Scooby get for being a bit chicken turned into Fred, Velma AND Daphne just laying into them - there was real intensity and unpleasantness which just came out of nowhere and derailed everything). 10. Velma 11. It's been scientifically proven on the internet that the wearing of Ascots in cartoons improves the quality of the ozone layer.
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Post by Jeepers on Feb 21, 2015 15:23:50 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how anyone could hate the episodes with just Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby. Well to answer your question (some serious, some not) 1. I prefer Velma to Daphne - but to clarify this doesn't mean I dislike Daphne 2. I like the interaction between the whole gang, there is more opportunity for interplay, humour and revealing facets of their characters (but the writers have to be up to this) 3. Velma 4. If you are going to strip the show down then IMO it should be just Shaggy and Scooby (though I think it would be fun to have an episode or two with just Daphne & Velma - Totally Spies comes to mind but more serious) 5. Did I say I really like Velma? 6. I prefer shipping to be either at sea on in Fan Fiction not in the shows as it just annoys too many people or worse, drives them away. For example I suspect that the Shaphne fans would scream the place down if there was conspicuous Shelma in Be Cool or a future movie. 7. Can't find a diplomatic way of saying it, but there is a 6 th reason. 8. None of them say Jinkies or wear glasses. 9. The gang is as close or as distant as the writers choose them to be, I've seen some dire personal interactions in the series where the writers either misjudged the scene, gave the wrong instructions to the VA's, just going out of their way to hack off the viewers or forget they are writing a children's cartoon and think it's an adult soap opera (one in scene particular stick in my mind where the usual gentle ribbing that Shaggy and Scooby get for being a bit chicken turned into Fred, Velma AND Daphne just laying into them - there was real intensity and unpleasantness which just came out of nowhere and derailed everything). 10. Velma 11. It's been scientifically proven on the internet that the wearing of Ascots in cartoons improves the quality of the ozone layer. Your love of Velma is duly noted. My reply wasn't to dis the other members of the gang, it was more a praise to the writers and creators of 13 Ghosts and how they handled the series and characters and it's hard to believe that anyone who has watched this couldn't even like it just a little bit. I feel that there was a lot more care and consideration put into this than many of the other series' and perhaps if the rest of the gang had been in it, they would have received their own character overhaul, becoming more likable to people who don't quite care for them. As for shipping, I think I and many other shippers agree that the canon Scooby-Doo universe isn't the place for shipping; I also don't remember there being any overt shipping in 13 Ghosts. What Shaphne shippers go off of when speaking of this series in reference is merely speculation and hope so I wouldn't really count that as a valid reason to dislike the series. I also agree that the writing is what affects how the gang interacts, and I do remember some very serious ribbing thrown in Scooby and Shaggy's direction - though I believe I remember most of it being done by Fred, hardly any Velma or Daphne at all, though they all picked on them, true enough; I just mean where the line is drawn (I remember Fred making comments and Shaggy's eyes narrowing like: " hey, that's not cool") -but that goes back into where I was talking about the care and consideration that went into creating this series. The writing is definitely a reason to enjoy the show if you're looking for a gang that actually feels like a group of friends and not just some random people who go to the same school/are thrown in a situation together so your number 9 really works in my favor. In the end, it's all about personal preference but I just don't see how anyone can actively dislike such a well-made and cared for series. Such a pity that it only lasted 13 episodes.
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Post by Soupperson on Jun 7, 2016 12:03:39 GMT -5
Is it really possible to ship both? Shaphne for me!
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Post by ShaphneFan on Jun 7, 2016 13:35:13 GMT -5
Shaphne all the way!
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