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Post by Doo on Aug 20, 2013 16:21:05 GMT -5
Found some interesting facts on some of the unlicensed episodes: 1. Sandy Duncan and Phyllis Diller (guest stars of Episodes 6 and 7) refused to give the licensing rights to Hanna Barbera, but gave Jim Henson (Muppet Show creator) the rights to release episodes where they guest starred. 2. Sonny and Cher gave HB licensing rights to release "The Secret of Shark Island" on VHS ( www.amazon.co.uk/Scooby-Doo-The-Secret-Shark-Island/dp/B0000574X2) in the UK, but not the rights to release it on DVD in the US. |
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Post by ahkyahnan on Aug 26, 2013 12:04:44 GMT -5
That is pretty interesting. Where did you find it? Sounds like an interesting read.
Mark
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Post by groovyscooby on Aug 28, 2013 10:44:02 GMT -5
Cool!!!! Nice find, Doo!!!!
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Post by Doo on Aug 28, 2013 10:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 4, 2014 1:36:13 GMT -5
I really wish they would get these things sorted out and release the missing episodes already.
They left out the arguably stronger episodes of "The New Scooby-Doo Movies".
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Post by Doo on Apr 7, 2014 16:23:11 GMT -5
I agree!
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Apr 9, 2014 13:21:21 GMT -5
Interesting!! Thanks for the info, Doo. I wonder why they refused to give rights to HB!!
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 9, 2014 18:59:31 GMT -5
Interesting!! Thanks for the info, Doo. I wonder why they refused to give rights to HB!! Yeah, it is pretty strange, considering the fact that they DID agree to have themselves animated after all and even voiced themselves, so why not let them distribute the episodes? Maybe they were ashamed of being associated with a kid's cartoon? I don't know... It makes sense that The Pussycats weren't included, since that involved a whole different company and Warner Bothers was probably too cheap to get the rights to them. It's a shame we might never get these "lost" episodes. I'd like to see them in high quality. |
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 9, 2014 21:05:18 GMT -5
This is a bit misleading here. It was never stated WHICH of the remaining episodes had problems. Just because it was not on the one set, does not automatically mean they could not secure rights to it. Given this is WB, one of the chief studios who LOVE to do things in volumes, it is quite possible they just kept a good number of nine to do for the eventual later set. Especially if they originally thought they would have it resolved much earlier, they could have planned to say 'Get the Best of the New Scooby Movies Volume 2, see Scooby meet the Addams Family, Josie and the Pussycats and Sonny and Cher again!, Sounds like good marketing to me. But either way the set will 100% not be released until all nine are cleared, how far they are into that is not confirmed, but let's take a look at what remains of that:
Breaking down what you see here it makes this idea all the more logical. Phyllis Diller, Tim Conway, Sandy Duncan had all stayed friendly to the franchise with interviews from cartoon network on scooby.
IF there were contract negotiation problems on the characters for Josie and the Addams Family, these both have obviously been cleared due to WB selling both Josie series on DVD and the first Addams on DVD.
That being said Turner sold episodes of the 70s Addams show on VHS, but the 90s show is held up because the music contracts aren't cleared for dvd yet, and if they could sell Sonny and Cher on VHS, chances are good they too are not hold outs. The problem is only that they need to renegotiate for home video, so if the episode made it to VHS in the past, then it should not have any rights problems on DVD, since home media clauses cover both formats.
(Side bar on this subject: HB's Pound Puppies and 90s Addams Family seem to be in the same boat, where music things are halting both from being released, given both had sporadic VHS appearances, i'm assuming it's only on a few select episodes to be cleared, but these are clear exceptions to the rule, as while WB owns the Shows, and does not have to clear the characters (like they had to do on these new scooby movies because the contracts were made prior to home media clauses being in them) but a third smaller part is the issue)
WB and Sony aren't exactly at each other's throats, given WB openly sells Sony products on their website, so i'm not really thinking Jeannie is a problem.
This only leaves Davey Jones and Jerry Reed. And in fact the only negative thing on the situation i've heard in the rumor mill is that the Jerry Reed estate is apparently "very greedy" (not my words). Especially given the fact that by Shaggy saying a lyric to one of his songs to the episode, they would have to no doubt recontract BOTH his likeness and the music rights. This being the main reason i see most people speculate that the Jerry Reed episode is the soul holdout.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 9, 2014 21:34:20 GMT -5
Well, the fact that they labeled it "The Best Of The New Scooby-Doo Movies" leaves me believing that they never intended on a second volume, and it's been nearly a decade since.
I really wish they would clear these things up, as the Jerry Reed and Sandy Duncan episodes were my favorites back in the day. Phyllis Diller, The Pussycats, Davey Jones, and The Addams family were excellent guests as well, and the Tim Conway episode is hilarious. They really excluded some of the better episodes from a "Best Of" set.
They also edited the intro to remove the guest stars, although I'm not sure if that has anything to do with this.
This is also sort of related, we have yet to receive proper releases of the Scrappy era, excluding "13 Ghosts". I really wish they would hurry and get these out sometime soon. They're never on TV and I hate digital downloads.
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 9, 2014 22:03:43 GMT -5
The Best of Set, contains a "1" on the side which was the pattern back then to indicate another release was to accompany it. If they had planned to give up it would more than likely had been not given a "1" and just had black space there like the Top Cat, Dastardly and Pitstop sets.
The Season sets of Scooby in general were stalled and the 13 Spooky Tales and the Scooby and the ____ sets took over the lines. It was thought maybe this would become the regular new method, but the give-a-way it was not was the fact Warner Archive doesn't have Dynomutt Season 2, Richie Rich Season 1 & 2 and the Puppy's Further Adventures Season 1, these were obviously the shows that would have been put out on DVD sets had the Scooby sets have been finished. (don't ask why exactly they chose to keep Dynomutt and not Captain Caveman's segments but they did...) And since if brands like the Flintstones, Smurfs, and Animaniacs had to fight to come back to retail based on commercial tie ins, i'm firmly confident none of the above three are getting on retail dvd without scooby doo.
This was of couse speculation, but is pretty much now all but confirmed. Given WB internally renamed Scooby Doo Spooky Games as "Scooby Doo Laff-a-lympics: The Complete First Collection", it appears they have not given up on one day offering these complete verisons on DVD...problem is HB season sets at retail are at a snails pace of 1 per year (not counting of course all the budget lines) which unless they chuck some more down to Warner Archive....we could be waiting waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy too many years.
However if they chose to split the difference like Popeye and put the more popular parts of these franchises at retail and the less popular parts at Warner Archive, this pace would probably be a lot more feasible. But then again Warner Archive did tell us in the past some things weren't "firmed up" yet, so that may in fact be the very thing currently being discussed. Once they have it all firmed up i would expect the pace might very well quicken up. But at this point i just reallllllllllllllllllly want some of these things complete already. But patience has got me this far, and at least some new to dvd scooby episodes each year is a fair for now deal.
Alright i've typed enough for the night, carry on.
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Post by j3h on Apr 11, 2014 11:20:49 GMT -5
Is it true at one point, some or all of the missing new Scooby-Doo movie episodes were available on iTunes, but are no longer?
I remember a member at one point said they were, but are no longer available to purchase (which could indicate a rights issue popped up or revealed itself forcing them to be pulled)
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Apr 12, 2014 8:11:46 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info mattpricetime! It's good to hear there is a chance those episodes could be released someday!
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Post by ahkyahnan on Apr 14, 2014 12:05:32 GMT -5
Thanks MattPriceTime & Sophia Peletier for some nice analysis and insights on all this.
Couple notes I have myself, the Davey Jones and Jerry Reed episodes might also be held up due to song licensing issues, if they were using original recordings of those songs rather than re-recording them for the episodes. The Record Company they were signed to at the time would likely still own rights to the recordings themselves, and might have to be licensed separately from the rights to use the singers/actors likeness and voice. Most recording artists to not own or have control over the recordings they made while signed to a record label, the label does and can issue or not issue those recordings as they wish. I know of other TV shows that made use of popular recordings that have had the same issues, or simply replaced those songs with other recordings to be able to release the show on DVD.
One promising sign last week I wanted to bring up...though not directly related...is that Warner Archive released the complete Jonny Quest series from the 80's on DVD last week. (Got my copy today.) The reason I see it as promising is that it's been some time since WA released a classic-era HB show from their vaults. They were cranking them out pretty regularly for a while and then seemed to stall, so I was glad to see this one. (Still waiting on Clue Club.)
Mark
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Post by Ark on Jun 11, 2018 20:01:41 GMT -5
Is it true at one point, some or all of the missing new Scooby-Doo movie episodes were available on iTunes, but are no longer? I remember a member at one point said they were, but are no longer available to purchase (which could indicate a rights issue popped up or revealed itself forcing them to be pulled) I doubt this is true but theres a small possibility |
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