Ep 27 discussion SPOILER ALERT

[pegasuscoconut]

I thought this episode was great, It was really deep when scooby said "I made a promise to my friends" and It was epic when he revealed that pericles survived. Daphne's personality change was heartbreaking but I know she'll pull through. I was also surprised that crybaby clown wasn't caught, definitely a first for scooby doo, anyone have any ideas who he is? (I have a feeling it's either baylor hotner or Mr E) haha two wild guesses. Based on what the translator said, these are givens for the next few episodes, hot dog water will join the gang, daphne will then come back after dumping baylor hotner, Velma will get a new boyfried, and fred's parents will return to crystal cove! We still have to see What became of Mr E and especially Ed machine though. I also wonder what the story arc will mostly be about once pericles is back in the picture. there must be a mystery having to do with the treasure! what do you guys think about all this?

[rocksunner]

It looks to me like Baylor Hotner is the prime suspect. He could want the five million to put it into his "Green Jeans" campaign in Africa. One subtle clue is the whey bar he gave Fred; whey is a milk product.

I would also suspect the new Mayor, Janet Nettles, except she and the Clown were in the same room at the same time. It has to be Baylor. Catching him will also have the benefit of freeing Daphne to re-join the gang.

[sagg]

Ditto on your last point, rocksunner.

[rocksunner]

More indications for Baylor:

1) He told Daphne he has delivered animal babies around the world. That might get him thinking about a baby-themed costume.

2) He's researching for the fourth Dusk movie, "Dusk 4: Still Dusk". The books are already so badly out-of-fashion that they cost their author her university position. His career is probably in bad shape, so he needs money.

3) His part in the movies is a were-turtle, good preparation for a bulky, shell-like costume.

[rocksunner]

Here's a really wild possibility -- the Clown is Randy's dad (last seen in "The Legend of Alice May").

Motive: revenge on Crystal Cove and Mystery Inc. for his son's kidnapping.

Clue: presence of Randy's mom at the town meeting. Why was she there? She doesn't live in Crystal Cove (Fred knocked on her door in some other town). Answer: in case the Clown (her husband) needed help.

[dangerpronek]

I would lean more towards it being Baylor then Randy's dad, considering he didn't even have a name & also they've shown his wife in many episodes in the background. I believe she was even on the Dinkley tour bus once.

I can defiantly see it being Baylor, mainly because every boy the girls have ever "dated" like, Bram, Winser (the dude Velma dated in Phantasour), Rung, the police that flirted with Velma in Camp Scare & kinda Amour (Or what ever his name was in the Mummy movie)
So it's very likely that Baylor will be evil one way or other. Whether he's the Cry Baby Clown or not..ehh I'm not really sure. He went straight to Daphne's house after eating at the Bloody Stake with her, the gang went to Town Hall & Cry Baby Clown was there.
For some reason I'm wondering if possibly Daphne might have something to do with the Cry Baby Clown mystery. Maybe she's helping Baylor? Or maybe, JUST maybe she wanted the gang to get back together & put this little mystery into action? It's not very likely but it's a small guess.

Daphne's personality has changed dramatically. I think that she'll be coming back to the Mystery Incorporated team sooner or later for sure. It was really sad at the end of the episode when Fred realized she wouldn't ever be coming back, or so he thought. But I guess he's getting a little bit of "payback" for what he did to her. I think Daphne knows what she's doing to him by not coming back.

I was VERY happy to see how awesome the four members of Mystery Incorporated were getting along. Shaggy, Velma & Scooby are all being very comforting & friendly to Fred. They're really sticking by him this time. Which is nice to see compared to the constant bickering that everyone saw in the other season 1 episodes.

I'm SO stoked to see the rest of this season & I'm praying CN will publish episode 28!!!!!!
Does anyone know any names for that episode yet?? Just wondering.

[Doo]

I really loved the episode.

I thought it was interesting that Velma was the masked person. I didn't really expect that, I thought it was Mr. E or Angel.

I also didn't expect Daphne to ignore Fred, I thought for sure she would come back with the gang by the end of the episode.

I also thought that it was strange that the town residents were always complaining about them mystery solving, and now they want the gang to catch Crybaby Clown.

I was also a little surprised that Daphne found a boyfriend so quickly after Fred left. I thought she would be mourning over the loss of Fred for a while.

I also like the interesting twist at the end, when Crybaby Clown got away.

Can't wait to see more episodes (hopefully they'll be online in the next week or so)!

[FraphneAddict]

I really liked this episode, it was a great way to start off season 2. I was hoping that we'd get to see Fred traveling around the world searching for his parents and that Daphne would escape in the middle of the night to go and find him, but... oh well.

I was very suprised to find out that the masked figure was Velma, I assumed it would be Mr. E or even Mayor Jones, but I should of figured it out since the figure wore glasses.

I almost cried when Daphne and Baylor left the Bloody Stake and Daphne called Fred a "hobo." But I actually did cry when Daphne said that she never wanted to see him again...ever. It was really heartbreaking to see Daphne change so dramatically like that.

I was suprised that Daphne moved on so quickly, and to a movie star no less. I think that when Brad and Judy come back to Crystal Cove they will help Fred understand his feelings for Daphne and encourage him to fight for her.
I keep telling myself that no matter what I see or hear, Mitch Watson said this: "Never give up on true love," when I begged him to keep Fred and Daphne together.

I hope that by episode 28, Shaggy's hair will grow back and that Fred will cut off all of the extra hair until it's back to how it was during season 1. It was really starting to annoy me.

I was a bit suprised that Crybaby wasn't captured; I guess the creators wanted to really prove the point that every member of the gang, including Daphne, is needed, and not just Velma for her brains and Fred for his traps and leadership.

I really hope that episode 28 will be posted soon, I can't wait any longer! And... that Fred and Daphne will be together again.

[pegasuscoconut]

Hey, I just though of something, what if crybaby clown is really franklin fruitmeyer! Think about it, Mitch Watson said that things set up in the pilot would pay off in episode 52. What if the hole in fruitmeyer's was only discovered by proffesor raffalo but was actually made by fruitmeyer.
They are also both clowns, fruitmeyer has the same slippers as crybaby clown and fruitmeyer's was shown for the first time since episode 1 in episode 27! Fruitmeyer could also be searching for the treasure and the crybaby clown could be a way to blackmail the town into giving him money for his search!, just a thought though...what do you guys think!

[Doo]

I think it's definitely possible.

[sagg]

On hindsight, wasn't it interesting to see when the masked figure tossed the pics of Mystery Inc. in the mayor's office on her desk, that Velma's was the only one covered? That should have tipped me off. And Velma knows some martial arts moves, too. Noticed how she deftly avoided Scooby and Shaggy when they thought she was an opponent...

[rocksunner]

Did anyone else find Fred's mental condition really disturbing? The way he set out door to door to find his parents... doesn't he know at least the rudiments of investigation after all the cases he's been on? And his insistence in spite of everything that Daphne would be there.

I have to think that the shock of the revelation of the Freak has made Fred temporarily lose his mind. I hope he will recover once Daphne is back with the gang.

[24994j]

I'm new here, a life-long Scooby fan and I love the kinda "turned-on-its-head" formula of this series.

HOWEVER, (just follow me on this) I think Scooby talks way too much. Now, I'm not saying that he's a lesser part of the gang, nor am I saying that he should shut up...but he has way too much dialogue on this show. One of Scoob's greatest characteristics is that he can speak, and over the last 40 years his level of language has been more than enough to get by and communicate. Take the scene in the barn with the cow, it just bothers me that he is speaking in long (intelligent) sentences.

When it comes down to it, Scooby is a dopey but lovable pooch whose loyalty knows no bounds, and his greater verbal skills have kinda dampened his image to me. Frank Welker's been doing the voice for a decade now, but his voice as Scooby in this first episode (S2) seems unfamiliar and bitter (nothing like I've ever heard before), and I just don't like it.

Could someone please tell me that I'm not the only person feeling this way?

[Doo]

I agree 24994j.