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Post by ShaphneFan on Sept 11, 2012 18:25:13 GMT -5
Hey I've made a continuity thread if you want to talk about it there.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 11, 2012 18:38:18 GMT -5
Hey I've made a continuity thread if you want to talk about it there. I just commented on it! I feel like I'll be repeating myself a lot on that thread though.
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Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 12, 2012 22:26:38 GMT -5
On a different topic(we already have 2 arguments about Scooby Canon, let's not make this a third) I found an interview between Newsrama and the director of Mystery Begins/Curse of the Lake Monster Brian Levant talking about various things which help me give the movie(the article was around Mystery Begins and I don't know if there is any more interviews with the director) as well as the cast and crew even more respect. The bold quotes were the things that stood out the most to me(I don't know if posting the article itself it allowed or not but someone tell me if it isn't so I can remove the article immediately) www.newsarama.com/tv/090912-scooby-doo-movie.htmlI felt like Mystery Begins/Curse of the Lake Monster felt like a true Scooby-Doo episode and what would the Mystery Inc teenagers be like in real life/21st century.I like the first 2 movies like Shaggy, Velma, seeing the monsters I grew up with in real life, etc but it had it's faults(to many fart jokes, Sarah Michelle Gellar making Daphne into basically Buffy without powers(I like that she made her more tough and she was a decent Daphne but come on), them making Fred into an buffoon(What's New and Pup named Scooby-Doo and to extent SDMI doesn't help) and Freddie Prince Jr's Fred in the first movie basically having a wooden/little to no personality and I'm glad he tried a little more to give Fred a little more persona in the 2nd movie, etc) . It's interviews like the ones with Nick Palatas(http://www.scoobyaddicts.com/Interviews.aspx?id=5&name=Nick%20Palatas), Kate Melton(http://www.scoobyaddicts.com/Interviews.aspx?id=4&name=Kate%20Melton) as well as behind the scenes,cast commentary that showed me the the Mystery Begins/Curse of the Lake Monster cast and crew have huge love for the Scooby-Doo(and how hard it must be for actors to do the Shaggy voice). I saw the behind the scenes and interviews for the first 2 movies and while I saw they had some respect and love for the Scooby universe it always felt more like a satirical look at the Scooby universe(Velma being the one who makes up the plans, Daphne tired of being the dasmel in distress, Shaggy stoner jokes) and the only thing more satirical/cartoony is a Pup named Scooby-Doo in my eyes. I just can't wait for the final movie in this trilogy. Thanks for reading.
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Post by j3h on Sept 12, 2012 22:45:36 GMT -5
(we already have 2 arguments about Scooby Canon, let's not make this a third) (I don't know if posting the article itself it allowed or not but someone tell me if it isn't so I can remove the article immediately) Posting the article is fine since you provided credit and a link back to the source. Thank you. Hey I've made a continuity thread if you want to talk about it there. Also I appreciate you creating the continuity thread. I would like that to be the "catch all" for general continuity discussion. Since it is titled "continuity", it is much easier to find the subject opposed to all the other threads that have morphed into full continuity debates. I just commented on it! I feel like I'll be repeating myself a lot on that thread though. Which is why I would like to use one thread opposed to multiple ones, so all members do not feel they need to carry on the same conversation in multiple spots and needlessly repeating themselves. Yes some repetition was needed to get things into the "continuity" thread, but it seems to be up to date and proceeding onward.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 14, 2012 0:08:21 GMT -5
Also I appreciate you creating the continuity thread. I would like that to be the "catch all" for general continuity discussion. Since it is titled "continuity", it is much easier to find the subject opposed to all the other threads that have morphed into full continuity debates. I just commented on it! I feel like I'll be repeating myself a lot on that thread though. Which is why I would like to use one thread opposed to multiple ones, so all members do not feel they need to carry on the same conversation in multiple spots and needlessly repeating themselves. Yes some repetition was needed to get things into the "continuity" thread, but it seems to be up to date and proceeding onward. I agree that it was good to create a continuity thread. And I agree that that thread should be used for main/general/any continuity discussion. At first it was like "Sigh, another discussion about continuity..", but now I really like the new thread. I agree that it's good for the thread to be clearly labeled Continuity, so that people know what the discussion inside the thread is about. I don't want people to feel like they have to repeat themselves on a bunch of different threads. Are you saying people aren't allowed to mention/talk about continuity views on any other thread? (That's how I feel right now.) Continuity is a big part of Scooby, and if you feel that way, I'm worried that it will come up in future discussions on other threads (especially the ones that continuity has already been discussed on (like this one)). I'm not trying to make a big argument about it or challenge you to a big war (that would not be good at all, and I would be banned I'm sure).
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Sept 14, 2012 5:37:33 GMT -5
There will always be crossover conversations between the threads. What j3h was saying is that it would be good to keep the main continuity conversation on the continuity thread.
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Post by j3h on Sept 14, 2012 9:04:36 GMT -5
ScoobyAddict answered before I got here, but yeah, what she said. In my own long windedness, Of course continuity is going to pop up in these types of specific topics, but all I ask is that if it starts morphing into a discussion about all inclusive continuity and territory that you know has been stated again and again, just suggest something like "we discussed this somewhat in the continuity thread over here (link), if we need to further expand on that, let's do it over there". That way, for example, a thread about the two live action prequels doesn't become a full second topic about if Velma could have went to the same school between pup named scooby and the guest star animated new scooby movies. Sure the shows can get mentioned or referenced and discussed here when relevant, but when it starts being the main discussion I would prefer it being taken into the continuity thread for all to find in the future. Does that make sense? Sorry for the confusion that it sounded like it was forbidden to discuss it at all outside of the new "main" continuity thread.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 14, 2012 15:51:57 GMT -5
There will always be crossover conversations between the threads. What j3h was saying is that it would be good to keep the main continuity conversation on the continuity thread. ScoobyAddict answered before I got here, but yeah, what she said. In my own long windedness, Of course continuity is going to pop up in these types of specific topics, but all I ask is that if it starts morphing into a discussion about all inclusive continuity and territory that you know has been stated again and again, just suggest something like "we discussed this somewhat in the continuity thread over here (link), if we need to further expand on that, let's do it over there". That way, for example, a thread about the two live action prequels doesn't become a full second topic about if Velma could have went to the same school between pup named scooby and the guest star animated new scooby movies. Sure the shows can get mentioned or referenced and discussed here when relevant, but when it starts being the main discussion I would prefer it being taken into the continuity thread for all to find in the future. Does that make sense? Sorry for the confusion that it sounded like it was forbidden to discuss it at all outside of the new "main" continuity thread. Yes, it does make sense, now. To me, it did seem like you were trying to forbid any continuity discussion outside of the Continuity thread. That's why I was getting frustrated and being argumental about it. I'm sorry if I came across as being condescending. It just didn't make sense to me that there couldn't be any talk of continuity outside of the Continuity thread. I agree that the Continuity thread should come first when talking about continuity. And, I agree that other continuity discussions should try to be relevant to the thread they are on.
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Post by j3h on Sept 14, 2012 18:43:42 GMT -5
We're all good }group hug{
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 14, 2012 23:59:07 GMT -5
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 18, 2012 14:30:13 GMT -5
That's a good question, and it makes sense that you would ask that. I don't see the different live-action appearances the same as I do the animated. With the animated, I just view it as each show having it's own style. The characters don't necessarily have different facial features in the different shows, it's just shown in a different ways- "What's New" has its own style, same with SDMI, etc. But both sets of live-action movies have the same background and everything. It's like it takes place in the real world. They are shown in the same way when it comes to style, but the characters look different. It's something that's hard for me to explain, but I hope you understood what I said there. I'm going to try to explain more of what I meant there, because I think it might have gotten a bit confusing. Even though each show has it's own animation style, I view them all as being on one continuity. When a show has a different style, they aren't just showing the characters differently, they have a different animation style for the whole show. When it comes to Mystery Begins/Lake Monster it's like they are using the live-action style, but just changing the characters' appearances. When the 2002 and 2004 movies came, it was like showing the live-action version of the characters. It was like "This is how the characters would appear in the real world.". So how can there be the 2002 and 2004 characters in live-action form and the Mystery Begins/Lake Monster characters in live-action form in one continuity? All four movies are in live-action style, but the characters have different facial features in 2 of them. The part I made bold is the part that I think explains how I feel the best. Does that make sense at all? I don't see how there can be more than one live-action version of the characters on one continuity because when there are different animated versions, the characters' appearances fit with the show/movie it is in. Does anyone understand what I was trying to say? Does anyone understand why I feel the way I do? (That's basically what I'm asking.)
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Post by UltimateScoobyFan on Sept 19, 2012 9:33:07 GMT -5
I did not like these movies at all. I remember I bought mystery begins and thought ill give it a chance. Wasnt a huge fan of it but it was ok. Curse of the lake monster I downloaded, and I thought it was awful. I wont buy it. There was literally like no scooby in the whole movie. It focused pretty much only on the romanic relationships of the characters.. it was terrible. In my opinion.
The original live action movies(2002 & 2004) I love! I adore those movies. The actors, the story and scooby(he looked way better and way more like a real great dane lol).
These two new ones I did not like at all. They could of gotten better actors, better story line, and come on WB a little more money and effort could of been put into the CGI for Scooby, its not like you hadent done it before. But I understand they were tv movies so money is a little slim for the progect I assume. I dont know thats my opinion.
I was 10 years old in 2002 and I remember the original live action movie was like the highlight of my young life lol. I remember I had just started using my parents computer and I would google pictures of scooby and what he was gonna look like in the movie. So maybe that movie just holds a special spot in my childhood haha.
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Post by laescoobyfan on Sept 19, 2012 21:34:47 GMT -5
I did not like these movies at all. I remember I bought mystery begins and thought ill give it a chance. Wasnt a huge fan of it but it was ok. Curse of the lake monster I downloaded, and I thought it was awful. I wont buy it. There was literally like no scooby in the whole movie. It focused pretty much only on the romanic relationships of the characters.. it was terrible. In my opinion. The original live action movies(2002 & 2004) I love! I adore those movies. The actors, the story and scooby(he looked way better and way more like a real great dane lol). These two new ones I did not like at all. They could of gotten better actors, better story line, and come on WB a little more money and effort could of been put into the CGI for Scooby, its not like you hadent done it before. But I understand they were tv movies so money is a little slim for the progect I assume. I dont know thats my opinion. I also bought the Mystery Begins DVD and gave it a chance. I watched it several times. I thought it was okay. Then Curse of the Lake Monster aired and I cried during it, because of how terrible it was. I was really sad. But then I really started to think about things. I really started to think about all of the contradictions that came with the two movies. And I came to a conslusion to not believe in them. They just don't make sense at all to me. Everything was already revealed!! Anyway, I ended up breaking the Mystery Begins DVD and throwing it in the trash. I'm against those movies 100%. I also liked the first two live-action movies and think Scooby looked a lot better in them. I think it was unnecessary for the movies to be made in the first place. Why make two movies to answer questions that have already been answered? I mean what's the point of making movies that are full of contradictions?
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Post by freddaphne29758 on Sept 21, 2012 19:15:38 GMT -5
I did not like these movies at all. I remember I bought mystery begins and thought ill give it a chance. Wasnt a huge fan of it but it was ok. Curse of the lake monster I downloaded, and I thought it was awful. I wont buy it. There was literally like no scooby in the whole movie. It focused pretty much only on the romanic relationships of the characters.. it was terrible. In my opinion. The original live action movies(2002 & 2004) I love! I adore those movies. The actors, the story and scooby(he looked way better and way more like a real great dane lol). These two new ones I did not like at all. They could of gotten better actors, better story line, and come on WB a little more money and effort could of been put into the CGI for Scooby, its not like you hadent done it before. But I understand they were tv movies so money is a little slim for the progect I assume. I dont know thats my opinion. I was 10 years old in 2002 and I remember the original live action movie was like the highlight of my young life lol. I remember I had just started using my parents computer and I would google pictures of scooby and what he was gonna look like in the movie. So maybe that movie just holds a special spot in my childhood haha. I was 8 in 2002 but I wasn't a big fan of the first 2 movies because of various reasons(except for a few scenes Sarah Michelle Gellar wasn't Daphne to me but was more like Buffy in Daphne's Clothes(i know she played Buffy but still), Freddie Prince Jr. acting wooden as Fred in most of the scenes in the first one to me , movie as a whole felt more like a parody of a cartoons,Mystery Machine didn't feel right, etc). Beside being the definite Scooby-Doo origin movie for me and a perfect introduction(say way I feel about Where Are You, and What's New Scooby-Doo) for Scooby fans compared to Pup Named Scooby(i already explained why my thinking is this so I don't need to explain why again. ) I'm not going to lie it had some good moments (Matthew Lillard and Linda Cardellini felt like Shaggy and Velma come to life, How Scooby would probably look like in real life, Freddie Prince Jr played a little better as Fred in the second movie, how part of it is like how they showed what the gang probably be like in real life in their 20s, my first introduction to Fraphne and to an extent Shelma in a few scenes). Personally, to me the TV movies despite minor differences like Fred being a brunette(and ironic in a way because he acted exactly like/more like Fred Jones should act and even look more like the iconic 60's Fred in one scene of Curse of the Lake Monster than Freddie Prince Jr did in both movies) and Velma being Asian(my sister said she thought Velma was always Asian) but as a whole felt more like an accurate portrayal of the Scooby-Doo universe(more accurately like what the original 60's Where are you gang would be like in the 21st century) because to me it did things better like the Mystery Machine and it's origin, the gang looks more like 21st century teenage version of the original gang, Robbie Amell Fred felt like how Fred from the original cartoons would be in real life(all-american jock who is kind of a jerk but overall is a pretty good guy), they actually got Frank Welker to play Scooby(closest thing we'll ever get to Don Messick), Scooby looks more like Cartoon (What's New and Where Are You) Scooby, I felt more connected to the TV movie gang than I was to the the first 2 movie Mystery Inc, Hayley Kiyoko and Nick Palatas were just as good Shaggy to me like Matthew and Linda were) I'll admit Curse of the Lake Monster wasn't as good as it should be but it was still better than the 2002 movie to me. But yeah to me it's kind of unfair that the people think the TV Movie cast are a horrible portrayal of the Mystery Inc gang compared to the the 2002/2004 movies since the cast are mostly teenagers- to people in their early 20s who TV were shows on Nickelodeon , Disney and Cartoon Network compared to the first 2 movie cast who have a much more distinguished movie/TV career and most of the reasoning I heard is because of things like Fred is blonde and Velma is Asian which shouldn't be that important to me since they look and acted like the iconic cartoon Mystery Inc. gang in many ways.and part of me didn't want them to deal with real monsters and annoyed by all the the music numbers they did in Curse of the lake monster and wanted them to say something like going to a spring dance(The Creeper) or going to Hawaii(Tiki Witch Doctor) at the end (i like seeing the classic cartoon villains like the Tiki Witch Doctor, Zombie from Which Witch is Witch and Wolfman in Curse of the Lake Monster and how they came up with the Mystery Inc name) but overall they were great movies and it basically has a TV movie budget which is lower than a big budget film like the first 2 movies and the TV movies still did better job than the first 2 movies and had a cast and crew that I felt had more respect for the original cartoon source(based on interviews, behind the scenes, etc and many scenes of both movies) than the first 2 movies did. No I don't hate the 2002/2004 movies (just the opposite actually) but I am glad the movies help paved the way for a better and in my opinion, more faithful live action Scooby-Doo portrayal in the form of the TV movies(same way I feel about Amazing Spider-man and Batman Begins) especially since the first 2 movie were showing them as an adult and the TV movies are trying to show teenage version of Mystery Inc(of course that means things like getting suspended, getting summer jobs,going to the dance and dating, etc). So part of that ability to relate to them and how I feel they are more like the 60s Where Are You Cartoons come to life is probably why I like them more than the 2002/2004 movies. Thanks for reading this long paragraph. By the way what did you guys think of the interview I posted earlier.
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Post by ScoobyAddict on Sept 23, 2012 17:09:05 GMT -5
Thanks for your post freddaphne29758....The interview was really interesting! I agree that Nick Palatas was a good Shaggy for those movies. He had the look of shaggy, and the voice, though there were times it kind of seemed forced. I can't imagine doing Shaggy's voice is easy though. I didn't mind Hayley Kiyokyo as Velma, I just thought Linda Cardellini was awesome as Velma, so i was disappointed to see a new Velma. I also though Matthew Lillard was born to play Shaggy. He had the look and the voice and it seemed more natural to him.
I didn't mind Kate Melton as Daphne. I liked her better than Sarah Michelle Gellar. I didn't like Freddie Prince Jr. as Fred either. I also didn't like Robbie Amell as Fred. That may be because I don't really like his actual personality. I find him to be high on himself (I get that impression from his twitter posts) and so that impression carried over to the movie and I just didn't like him.
I am not a big fan of any of the live action movies. I do like some of the actors more than others though. I think the true story has come from the cartoon series and that the live action movies were the perception of the directors/writers/producers. If they happened to add in info from the cartoons, that was at their discretion.
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