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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 8, 2021 14:20:17 GMT -5
I'm the director of two marketing agencies and the UK rights holder for Playmates Toys. My former colleagues are literally the people that decided the name of the new company. So you know people specifically at that studio that just got renamed? My knowledge on the UK's licensing and the Europe studio aren't great in which you probably could be of much more help than I can. But around here we have been following a lot of the changes going on since the AT&T purchase of Time Warner, in my case i've been on it since the appeals case because colleagues of mine were really interested in how that played out.
This seems like it is a part of that, but are you saying this is just more a marketing reason more important to the Europe studio itself rather than anything in the bigger picture? And such we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions or expectations from it?
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Post by Ark on Apr 8, 2021 16:13:12 GMT -5
Scooby Apocalypse is neat as a comic, but I'm not sure how well it would go over as an anime. I like the idea personally, but it would likely confuse many new to the franchise and push younger audiences away. Not that Warner has already done that in various ways, but yeah. Now Scooby Apocalypse as an adult tabletop game? That would be freaking neat, and I'm more than just a little sad that CMON decided to go with a mystery-style game over making a Scooby add-on for their Zombiecide, though probably for the same reason I was against the anime above. It looks like an awesome game still and I backed it, with all the minis and everything, so here's to hoping that CMON does some Scooby Zombiecide stuff too.
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Post by russm on Apr 8, 2021 16:19:44 GMT -5
Scooby Apocalypse is neat as a comic, but I'm not sure how well it would go over as an anime. I like the idea personally, but it would likely confuse many new to the franchise and push younger audiences away. Not that Warner has already done that in various ways, but yeah. Now Scooby Apocalypse as an adult tabletop game? That would be freaking neat, and I'm more than just a little sad that CMON decided to go with a mystery-style game over making a Scooby add-on for their Zombiecide, though probably for the same reason I was against the anime above. Well with clear marketing and appropriate age rating it wouldn't be a problem. Plus they did it with SD:MI, major character death, violence, occult stuff... You don't have to go full on gore and make it an 18 certificate thing. THere would have to be a lot of adaptation as there is a lot of material )and a lot of taling heads) to sift through as a film/mini-series would need a lot more focus and pace than Apocalypse had.
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Post by Ark on Apr 8, 2021 16:22:10 GMT -5
Yeah, something in-between the actual comic and Mystery Incorporated could be neat. It's not a bad story, especially if they made Shaggy look more like Shaggy again. Do you give them guns and stuff though? Idk. It's a fun setting, but SA is more than just a bit violent. Comics get away with this because they don't have to draw all the frames and scenes, but film doesn't have that.
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Post by scoobyfan27 on Apr 8, 2021 17:34:01 GMT -5
Scooby Apocalypse is neat as a comic, but I'm not sure how well it would go over as an anime. I like the idea personally, but it would likely confuse many new to the franchise and push younger audiences away. Not that Warner has already done that in various ways, but yeah. Now Scooby Apocalypse as an adult tabletop game? That would be freaking neat, and I'm more than just a little sad that CMON decided to go with a mystery-style game over making a Scooby add-on for their Zombiecide, though probably for the same reason I was against the anime above. Well with clear marketing and appropriate age rating it wouldn't be a problem. Plus they did it with SD:MI, major character death, violence, occult stuff... You don't have to go full on gore and make it an 18 certificate thing. THere would have to be a lot of adaptation as there is a lot of material )and a lot of taling heads) to sift through as a film/mini-series would need a lot more focus and pace than Apocalypse had. SDMI violence is extremely light though like it’s PG at MOST and the character death is all off screen and only implied. Courage the Cowardly dog absolutely BLOWS anything Scooby-Doo has done violent wise out of the water. So I don’t think SDMI is innapropiate for children. Also what “occult” stuff does it have? Most of it is fake and the only real monsters are alien creatures from another dimension. Not really occult more like sci-fi to be honest. If anything the Which Witch is Which episode of SDWAY shows more occult stuff than SDMI tbh. SDMI deals more with cosmic horror rather than occult stuff.
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Post by Ark on Apr 8, 2021 17:47:20 GMT -5
Witch's ghost has more occult references than any other Scooby movie that I can think of. That aspect was an issue for my parents as a child back then, but I'm not sure that's something which would concern parents today.
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Post by dizagaox on Apr 8, 2021 18:07:43 GMT -5
Pure speculation, but I think HBSE should focus on reviving HB characters that haven't been in the spotlight recently.
Space Ghost's DC Comics reworked characterisation would be a good opportunity to do something tailored for streaming audiences.
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Post by dizagaox on Apr 8, 2021 18:14:19 GMT -5
This seems like it is a part of that, but are you saying this is just more a marketing reason more important to the Europe studio itself rather than anything in the bigger picture? And such we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions or expectations from it?
Unfortunately, it's mostly marketing. You can't have a studio with "Cartoon Network" in the name, if they're about to do adult animation or plan to have shows airing on rival networks. Being HBSE allows them more freedom to take on projects not just aimed at Cartoon Network and Boomerang audiences, and not have concerns of helping competitors.
For example, if they are co-producing Velma, that show would have a Cartoon Network-branded logo slapped on the end of it, but air on HBO Max in the US and most likely non-WarnerMedia channels internationally. They wouldn't want the Cartoon Network branding on a show that might have Velma cussing, or actual violence. Being under the Hanna-Barbera branding affords them more flexibility, whilst maintaining a recognisable name.
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Post by wileyk209 on Apr 9, 2021 10:56:30 GMT -5
Interesting! I think this is the first time Hanna-Barbera Studios has officially been active since its demise in 2001, right? H-B's demise began in 1998 when they relocated to the Warner Bros. Animation lot. The Cartoon Network Studios subsidiary produced the CN originals of the time ("Dexter's Laboratory," "Cow and Chicken," "The Powerpuff Girls" and "Johnny Bravo") separately from the rest of Warner Bros. Animation, who handled much of the production of the first four direct-to-video Scooby-Doo movies (it was especially evident with the higher-quality animation, and Jean MacCurdy as executive producer, as she was president of Warner Bros. Animation until 2001), along with their first "Tom and Jerry" short, "The Mansion Cat." These movies and that short, despite being produced at WBA, had Bill Hanna involved as a producer alongside Joe Barbera before his death, and so they carried the Hanna-Barbera brand name. In 1999-2000, the Cartoon Network Studios unit moved out into their own facilities, where they've remained since. The absorption into Warner Bros. Animation was finalized with Hanna's death, when Time Warner decided to retire the Hanna-Barbera brand name, having most of WBA's output featuring legacy H-B characters and franchises only carry the Warner Bros. Animation name and logo (though the 2002-2009 direct-to-video Scooby-Doo movies still featured a Hanna-Barbera logo at the end, a recreation of the 1968-74 "Zooming H-B" logo), and Cartoon Network Studios's output mostly went back to the CN Studios name (as the first season of "Dexter's Laboratory" and several of their "What a Cartoon!" shorts did). Also, I REALLY doubt Hanna-Barbera Studios Europe will be involved with any Scooby-Doo stuff, as while Warner Bros. Animation used a Hanna-Barbera logo (based off the 1974-79 "Rainbow H-B" logo) on the Jetsons/WWE crossover direct-to-video movie, the "Wacky Races" reboot and "Yabba-Dabba-Dinosaurs," most of the Scooby-Doo movies and shows produced since 2010 just use the WB Animation logos. Generally, Warner seems to not consider Scooby-Doo part of the Hanna-Barbera family, even if some of the newer stuff references other H-B properties (such as the "Mask of the Blue Falcon" movie, or "The Sword and the Scoob" featuring Thundarr the Barbarian references and a character named Mr. H.B., and "Scooby-Doo and Guess Who" having episodes guest-starring the Funky Phantom crew, and Mr. Peebles and Magilla Gorilla), and of course there's "Scoob!" basically kicking off a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe.
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Post by matt on Apr 9, 2021 13:36:31 GMT -5
Interesting! I think this is the first time Hanna-Barbera Studios has officially been active since its demise in 2001, right? H-B's demise began in 1998 when they relocated to the Warner Bros. Animation lot. The Cartoon Network Studios subsidiary produced the CN originals of the time ("Dexter's Laboratory," "Cow and Chicken," "The Powerpuff Girls" and "Johnny Bravo") separately from the rest of Warner Bros. Animation, who handled much of the production of the first four direct-to-video Scooby-Doo movies (it was especially evident with the higher-quality animation, and Jean MacCurdy as executive producer, as she was president of Warner Bros. Animation until 2001), along with their first "Tom and Jerry" short, "The Mansion Cat." These movies and that short, despite being produced at WBA, had Bill Hanna involved as a producer alongside Joe Barbera before his death, and so they carried the Hanna-Barbera brand name. In 1999-2000, the Cartoon Network Studios unit moved out into their own facilities, where they've remained since. The absorption into Warner Bros. Animation was finalized with Hanna's death, when Time Warner decided to retire the Hanna-Barbera brand name, having most of WBA's output featuring legacy H-B characters and franchises only carry the Warner Bros. Animation name and logo (though the 2002-2009 direct-to-video Scooby-Doo movies still featured a Hanna-Barbera logo at the end, a recreation of the 1968-74 "Zooming H-B" logo), and Cartoon Network Studios's output mostly went back to the CN Studios name (as the first season of "Dexter's Laboratory" and several of their "What a Cartoon!" shorts did). Also, I REALLY doubt Hanna-Barbera Studios Europe will be involved with any Scooby-Doo stuff, as while Warner Bros. Animation used a Hanna-Barbera logo (based off the 1974-79 "Rainbow H-B" logo) on the Jetsons/WWE crossover direct-to-video movie, the "Wacky Races" reboot and "Yabba-Dabba-Dinosaurs," most of the Scooby-Doo movies and shows produced since 2010 just use the WB Animation logos. Generally, Warner seems to not consider Scooby-Doo part of the Hanna-Barbera family, even if some of the newer stuff references other H-B properties (such as the "Mask of the Blue Falcon" movie, or "The Sword and the Scoob" featuring Thundarr the Barbarian references and a character named Mr. H.B., and "Scooby-Doo and Guess Who" having episodes guest-starring the Funky Phantom crew, and Mr. Peebles and Magilla Gorilla), and of course there's "Scoob!" basically kicking off a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe. Yeah I guess Scooby is the one that they really adopted from the Hanna Barbera properties so I guess maybe they don’t think of it with the others
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Post by dizagaox on Apr 9, 2021 20:09:05 GMT -5
Also, I REALLY doubt Hanna-Barbera Studios Europe will be involved with any Scooby-Doo stuff Cartoon Network UK produced Mystery Incorporated, when CNSE sat under CN UK though they didn’t animate it. They have also been a support animation studio for WB Animation since Day 1.
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Post by wileyk209 on Apr 9, 2021 21:55:17 GMT -5
Also, I REALLY doubt Hanna-Barbera Studios Europe will be involved with any Scooby-Doo stuff Cartoon Network UK produced Mystery Incorporated, when CNSE sat under CN UK though they didn’t animate it. They have also been a support animation studio for WB Animation since Day 1. Maybe they had a bit of involvement, but Warner Bros. Animation handled the bulk of the pre and post-production, with the animation services done in Korea. And again, with that show, despite mostly being under the WB banner, it's had quite a few H-B references, especially with "Mystery Solver State Club Finals" and "Heart of Evil."
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Post by dizagaox on May 10, 2021 4:55:17 GMT -5
Anyone doubting HBSE's power, they moved Bedrock from development at HBO Max to a series order at FOX.
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Post by russm on May 11, 2021 1:50:31 GMT -5
Anyone doubting HBSE's power, they moved Bedrock from development at HBO Max to a series order at FOX. What's Bedrock? Asking from the other side of the pond.
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Post by Doo on May 11, 2021 10:20:35 GMT -5
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