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Post by wileyk209 on Dec 6, 2019 14:31:07 GMT -5
Now, we all know Hanna-Barbera would look for ways to save money and streamline their production processes in those days of cranking out low-budget Saturday morning cartoon shows, like "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?" One thing they often did was recycle background music from other shows, even ones currently in production at the time! (i.e. the later "Quick Draw McGraw" shows reusing Hoyt Curtin's music for "The Flintstones" and "The Yogi Bear Show.") And of course, "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?" was no exception; even with the original music cues Ted Nichols wrote for the show (with many of it being scene-specific for the first four episodes), he'd still reuse some music from previous Hanna-Barbera shows and even anything that was in production at the same time! Here are some examples I remember... Quite a few dramatic-sounding music cues originally written for "The Adventures of Gulliver" and "The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" in 1968 got used a lot in "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?" A very obvious one is a dramatic piece that builds up, often heard right before a scene fades to black (like in "Decoy for a Dognapper" when Fred saves Shaggy and Scooby from the oncoming train, "Never Ape an Ape Man" when Fred convinces Maxwell that his team can solve the case, "A Gaggle of Galloping Ghosts" when Shaggy and Scooby trap the Wolfman in a chandelier and escape from him and then again when Dracula comes out of a sarcophagus to sneak up on the gang, and "Go Away Ghost Ship" when Redbeard attempts to trap the gang in his secret hideout.) I used this cue in my "Robin Hood" YTP where I emulated a Hanna-Barbera cartoon of the era: see that scene HERE. At least a couple other tracks from those shows were remade electronically by Gigi Meroni and Rich Dickerson for "Scooby-Doo and the Monster of Mexico" (such as the scene when Alejo and his brother tell the gang about the "Chupacabra" monster during a storm.) "Decoy for a Dognapper" also reused quite a few music cues originally written for "The Man Called Flintstone," which Ted Nichols also scored. "Foul Play in Funland" and "Bedlam in the Big Top" both used a circus music cue originally arranged by Hoyt Curtin in 1965 for "The Secret Squirrel Show," which also got used in the Flintstones episode "Circus Business." This was often one of H-B's go-to music cues for circus scenes for a long time. Additionally, "Foul Play in Funland" made frequent use of a bleeping-type music track from "The Jetsons" whenever Charlie the Robot was capering around; you could even hear part of the distinct theme melody during this cue. "Bedlam in the Big Top" also used a "circus acrobatics" track that Hoyt Curtin composed for "Wacky Races" in 1968. It also got used when the mummy was caught in "Scooby-Doo and a Mummy Too" and soon became Ted's go-to cue for any wild acrobatic stunts on the show. Gigi Meroni and Rich Dickerson also remade this cue in "Scooby-Doo and the Monster of Mexico." "That's Snow Ghost" used a music cue Hoyt Curtin wrote for "Jonny Quest." It was titled "Quest for Adventure," and I remember "The Funky Phantom" using it a lot as well. "Don't Fool with a Phantom" also used a music track Ted Nichols wrote for "The Cattanooga Cats" when Shaggy and Scooby were doing their taffy dance at the start. This practice of recycling music continued well throughout the 70s; "The New Scooby-Doo Movies" reused quite a bit of music Hoyt Curtin wrote for "The Magilla Gorilla Show" in its' second season. It even continued well into the early 90s, when "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" would occasionally reuse some of Hoyt Curtin's music cues for the 80s "Jetsons" and "Yogi Bear" revival episodes.
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Post by Chorake on Dec 7, 2019 11:27:09 GMT -5
Then you get especially recursive stuff, like cues spun-off of existing Scooby ones originally composed for Josie, ending up right back in New Movies episode underscore.
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Post by wileyk209 on Dec 8, 2019 11:30:05 GMT -5
Then you get especially recursive stuff, like cues spun-off of existing Scooby ones originally composed for Josie, ending up right back in New Movies episode underscore. Yep, I remember that as well! Out of all the Ted Nichols Scooby-Doo music cues, it seems that the ones the most frequently recycled out of any Scooby-Doo shows was the two-part Black Knight Chase/Capture theme (which, like you said, was spun off for "Josie and the Pussycats"). It even got used on "The Perils of Penelope Pitstop" episode "North Pole Peril," and that was the same season as the first of "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?" I also wasn't surprised to hear it used in the 1971 special "The Thanksgiving That Almost Wasn't," when that wolf was chasing the squirrel at one point.
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Post by Old School Scooby Fan on Jan 9, 2020 9:04:49 GMT -5
I did also discover that in the Scooby & Scrappy-Doo segments during "The Scooby & Scrappy-Doo/Puppy Hour", there were background cues recycled from "Richie Rich" and the cartoon spinoff of "The Little Rascals". The episode titled "Picnic Poopers" did recycle a "Little Rascals" cue that I recognize from the episode "Cap'n Spanky's Showboat", when Alfalfa had his final hammock mishap just before the riverboat was completely refurbished, and I recognize Richie Rich cues in "One Million Years Before Lunch", "Basketball Bumblers" and "Comic Book Caper".
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Post by spookydoo on Jan 10, 2020 13:29:01 GMT -5
As someone who has been interested in the Scooby Doo Where Are You! underscore, I thought I could add what I had remembered from my Scooby-Doo marathon from October 2018 to September 2019.
As everyone knows, Scooby Doo Where Are You! was primarily scored by Ted Nichols. It seems that most of the new cues were written for (or at least debuted in) "What a Night for a Knight” and "Mine Your Own Business". There is a lot of reused music from previous shows by Hanna-Barbera, especially from those for which Nichols had composed music.
The Scooby-Doo series which also recycled the classic Nichols score were (as far as I recall): - The New Scooby-Doo Movies (but I think that the second season was not as "willing" to use it as much as the first season did); - The Scooby-Doo Show (the first six episodes of the first season didn't have it; the third season may have even had episodes without any of it); - Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo (a couple of segments from its last season brought it back, however briefly); - The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo (in the first, third and fifth episodes - there's a brief snippet when Vincent closes the door after the expy of Frankenstein's monster has been temporarily defeated... I think).
Of course, What's New Scooby-Doo? also had the underscore in most episodes from the first half of the first season (and I seem to remember hearing another cue in High-Tech House of Horrors from the second season), but it was the remixed one, which had been more or less meant for the two DTV films that were released in 2003.
Now, back to the topic. The infamous "It Approaches" from "Spooky Space Kook" had been originally composed for The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn episode "The Eye of Durgha", which may have even been the first one in production order. This cue was present here and there in the first season of Where Are You!, after which it was mostly retired. Of the top of my head, I remember its later use in "Mystery in Persia" (which Chorake shows in one of his videos), "Mamba Wamba and the Voodoo Hoodoo" (towards the end) and "A Frightened Hound Meets Demons Underground" (when Shaggy and Scooby get accidentally separated from the gang).
Another example would be a rather dramatic-sounding cue which can be heard at the beginning of the "Castle of Evil" episode of Huck Finn. Scooby-Doo uses it in both "What a Night for a Knight" (when Velma and Scooby are alone) and "Jeepers, It's the Jaguaro!" (when the guys are in the cave with the statue of the Jaguaro).
Yet another example is some score used in both The Adventures of Gulliver and Huck Finn. It's perfect for a dark and stormy night. I'm not sure it has been used in the original Scooby series, but "The Harum Scarum Sanitarium" and "The Spirits of '76" had it. See if you can guess which one I mean!
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Post by Doo on Jan 11, 2020 14:53:05 GMT -5
Those are some really great observations, SpookyDoo! Welcome to the forum!
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Post by spookydoo on Jan 12, 2020 13:12:32 GMT -5
Thank you very much, Doo!
It must be remembered that television was a different kind of experience than it is today. It is rather unlikely that a child would have paid that much attention to the background music to notice that not only is it reused from episode to episode, but even between completely different series. And yet, there are people here and there on the internet who did and help others with the identification of various cues. I'd rather not mention any names, but there is a member of another forum who has a fondness for the Jetsons score and also has practically encyclopedic knowledge of the early Hanna-Barbera underscores. He's not a big fan of Scooby-Doo, so I don't think he's a member here.
To expand slightly more on wileyk209's observations from a month ago: - the circus music in "Bedlam in the Big Top" from Wacky Races also saw use in "Rocky Mountain Yiiiii!" and "Scooby's Swiss Miss" (90% certain about the former and 70% about the latter); - the Jonny Quest cue in "That's Snow Ghost" may not have actually been titled "Quest for Adventure" - according to an unofficial JQ OST on YouTube, this track is the one right after the one called "Quest for Adventure" - so it's unnamed, apparently. Anyway, it can also be heard in The Adventures of Gulliver; - I'm actually surprised that A Pup Named Scooby-Doo may have reused music from other shows. I had thought that the practice had ceased with the final departure of Hoyt Curtin in the mid-1980s.
I also have a question. A piece of score which appears in the episodes "What a Night for a Knight" (after we have finished watching Shaggy "swooce" right in), "A Clue for Scooby Doo" (after the gang has finished questioning Mr. Shark), "Mystery Mask Mix-Up" (when the Scare Pair intimidate the seller of the mask), "Haunted House Hang-Up" (right at the beginning, a very effective use IMO), "Don't Fool with a Phantom" (briefly, when the Phantom appears for the first time) and "The Frickert Fracas" (when Maude and the others go into the field) troubles me. Was it composed for Scooby or not? It's not with the rest of the OST from that unexpected find in June 2019. Then again, neither is "Wild Walk" and that one must have been composed for the very first episode.
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Post by spookydoo on Jan 18, 2020 14:28:42 GMT -5
In case anyone was wondering, I have included the cue in question (please excuse the not particularly good audio quality, especially at the beginning): Creepy Cue.wma (890.57 KB) I think "What a Night For a Knight" was the only time this music was played in full, but I could be mistaken.
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Post by hannabarberafan2010 on Jan 27, 2023 9:03:05 GMT -5
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Post by Ark on Jan 27, 2023 9:39:00 GMT -5
TNSDMysteries has many cues from older Scrappy seasons. It's very good music, especially considering many believe the Scrappy seasons to be subpar
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Post by Old School Scooby Fan on Feb 10, 2023 9:24:38 GMT -5
I remember the Scooby & Scrappy-Doo segments from The Scooby & Scrappy-Doo/Puppy Hour did recycle several cues from Richie Rich. I also recognize two pieces of background music from two segments on The Little Rascals cartoon spinoff - one I recall being from the very beginning of "Science Fair and Foul" just after the title card (I also heard it at the start of the Scooby & Scrappy segment "Dumb Waiter Caper"), and the other being a short sting from "Cap'n Spanky's Showboat" when Alfalfa ends up twisted in the hammock and says "Why do these things always happen to me?" - that sting was heard numerous times throughout the spinoff series. I also recognize a cue used in chase scenes on in the 1982 Scooby & Scrappy-Doo segments that was also used not only on The Little Rascals cartoon spinoff, but also on Shirt Tales and The Gary Coleman Show. A truncated portion of that cue was the second piece of background music used in "Science Fair and Foul" when Alfalfa and Spanky were chasing after Pete who runs with the boys' baseball in his mouth. I also recall there being background music from an incarnation of The Flintstones on The New Scooby-Doo Movies, particularly near the end of "The Haunted Candy Factory" (the one with Mama Cass Elliott). Early in the segment "No Sharking Zone" on The New Scooby & Scrappy-Doo Show, you could hear a piece of background music that I also heard towards the end of "Mayda and the Monster" on Richie Rich. Also, the beginning of another segment from said Scooby series was also heard towards the end of "Video World", which was the final original segment on Richie Rich. "Video World" was never aired in syndication but is available on the Boomerang streaming service. I recognize this sad violin music. I heard it near the end of "Bigmouth's Friend" when Clockwork Smurf was destroyed, after Bigmouth declared that Gargamel was no friend of his. I do not recall this music heard on any other Hanna-Barbera series; though I do remember there being two episodes from Richie Rich in which background music pieces from Smurfs were used - and did feature a variant of the Smurfs theme, oddly enough. "Richie Hood" involves at least two pieces of background music from Smurfs - one I recognize from "The Trojan Smurf", and another from "Handy's Sweetheart" when the custodian of Avalon's magic boots were pulled off by Hefty Smurf's trap. On Shirt Tales, at the beginning of the "Saturday Night Shirt Tales" episode, you could hear Digger Mole enjoying listening to relaxing music supposedly by Mozart, which is really background music from Smurfs. Based on the YT user's posting history, it appears he is too focused on background music from Smurfs, as he posted a piece of unknown background music which I do recognize from Smurfs.
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Post by hannabarberafan2010 on Feb 24, 2023 23:32:50 GMT -5
Did other HB shows use this youtu.be/iMMlnoXImo4
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Post by huckleberryhund on Mar 8, 2024 14:14:30 GMT -5
There’s still five tracks from Where Are You that I can’t find.
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