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Post by mattpricetime on Sept 10, 2019 20:48:56 GMT -5
Pretty sure Scoob will be it's own little thing. If they continue on with the Mystery Machine plot i'd wager it will be in a dtv.
Maybe Dracula bought it second hand from the guy Fred sold it too in hopes Sha-ghee would show up again?
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Post by elemage on Sept 10, 2019 22:24:40 GMT -5
Honestly, while 13th Ghost was far more disrespectful to its source material (mostly in the form of Velma), Return was just... So BORING. I mean, we spent like 50 minutes out of 80 on a movie set. And then like 15 additional minutes filming a horror movie within a kids' movie. And not in a fun way like Camp Scare.
ALSO, WHERE IS BEAU?! I WANT MY HOT DETECTIVE BACK. Him and Scrappy deserve justice!
Seems like Velma's "unsolved mysteries" section of her blog is probably all of the Gang's truly supernatural adventures. So Mr. Boo, Jeannie and Babu, the Ghosts of the Ancient Astronauts, Dracula and his funky costume shop, the Boo Brothers, the Ghoul School.
Shaggy's turn as the Reluctant Werewolf was referenced. Can't wait for that sequel to ignore Googie and Scrappy and have Velma explain it as Shaggy eating moldy pizza or something.
I know the King Arthur movie is next, but which beloved media will they butcher next? Mystery Incorporated with the Evil Entity being a prank by Red Herring? Scooby Apocalypse, but it's just Velma playing a video game? Please, WB, keep doing such good work.
I cannot believe that with every possible route they could've gone down, they went with "zombie horror movie is being filmed on Zombie Island, and treasure hunters pose as cat creatures while the Gang refuse to solve a mystery". Although I did like the reveal that Simone hid Moonscar's treasure in a place where only her pendant would reveal it. Even though she killed him, she wanted to rob him of the satisfaction of anyone ever finding his treasure. That is a level of petty I aspire to be.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Sept 10, 2019 22:31:22 GMT -5
Honestly, while 13th Ghost was far more disrespectful to its source material (mostly in the form of Velma), I'm so sick of this talking point. Putting out a lazy, mediocre movie as a follow up to one of the most important works in the Scooby canon is way more disrespectful to the franchise and fans than kicking off pedantic debates about continuity and the supernatural or whatever
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Post by elemage on Sept 10, 2019 22:35:13 GMT -5
Honestly, while 13th Ghost was far more disrespectful to its source material (mostly in the form of Velma), I'm so sick of this talking point. Putting out a lazy, mediocre movie as a follow up to one of the most important works in the Scooby canon is way more disrespectful to the franchise and fans than kicking off pedantic debates about continuity and the supernatural or whatever Agree to disagree. Return to Zombie Island is a bland, forgettable follow-up to Zombie Island, while Curse of the 13th Ghost is literally spitting on the legacy of The 13 Ghosts.
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Post by snesgamer83 on Sept 11, 2019 13:14:44 GMT -5
If Shaggy had the Misstery Machine in Ghoul School... where exactly was Daphne during that time? Interning at the tv station? Or was she learning her random skill of the week at that point? Let's leave the "random skill of the week" thing as a Be Cool thing, shall we? That was one of the things I disliked most about that series, lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 14:29:25 GMT -5
If Shaggy had the Misstery Machine in Ghoul School... where exactly was Daphne during that time? Interning at the tv station? Or was she learning her random skill of the week at that point? Let's leave the "random skill of the week" thing as a Be Cool thing, shall we? That was one of the things I disliked most about that series, lol It wasn't just a Be Cool thing though. She had a new skill every week in What's new too...granted it wasn't as over the top as Be Cool, but it was there...and these films are technically WNSD still according to WB so...take that as you will.
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Post by Matt_the_miner_49er on Sept 11, 2019 21:53:15 GMT -5
This was a screw up of Rian Johnson level proportions. It's the Last Jedi of the scoobyverse. It was too boring for the younger kids, too far removed for those of us who had the first zombie island engrained into their childhood. Who did they make it for? At first, I suspected blind people, but then again, not even dialogue is interesting enough for them to enjoy it. As I've gotten older, I've been more critical toward Scooby movies, but I've always told myself I'm just not viewing them as a kid anymore, and sometimes, after rewatching them some of the ones I have been harsh toward I came to actually like, like KISS. But for this, there simply is no forgiveness. The real mystery of this return to zombie island is who thought this was a good idea?! It's like if the sequel to Die Hard had been a movie about John McClain walking through Trump Tower barefoot and the marketing for it was "that one time Bruce Willis was in a skyscraper barefoot, so....sequel."
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Sept 12, 2019 7:19:45 GMT -5
This was a screw up of Rian Johnson level proportions. It's the Last Jedi of the scoobyverse. No. This movie is actually bad.
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Post by velmablake on Sept 13, 2019 1:03:16 GMT -5
My opinion is that Scooby-Doo needs a drastic shakeup in the writer's room, with some new people that truly care about the franchise and have some ideas which legitimately cater to the adults still interested in Scooby-Doo. I just LOVE how this and the rest of this thoughtful review got thumbs up and no rebuttals (rightfully so and well-deserved, don't get me wrong) yet months ago when I expressed this same thing I was immediately accused of calling for folks to lose their jobs... That is the part that really took me the most by surprise after seeing the movie again. After all we heard from Sheridan I really felt this movie would open but with them just having the Mystery Machine back in typical HB style new episode refresh. The idea they continued on from that and still didn't get the Mystery Machine back has raised my suspicions they plan on taking this somewhere. I don't want to get mine or anybody else hopes up too high, but i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering if this setting up something that they've kept a tight lid on. Now that you mention it, I now wonder if it's possible this could lead to a plot twist where the gang gets their minds erased or something where they end up not remembering the events of Return or 13th Ghost?
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Post by elemage on Sept 14, 2019 13:01:08 GMT -5
My opinion is that Scooby-Doo needs a drastic shakeup in the writer's room, with some new people that truly care about the franchise and have some ideas which legitimately cater to the adults still interested in Scooby-Doo. Explore some new territory in the franchise, experiment a bit, and don't just go with safe nostalgia but not bother to put the work in. (This somewhat goes for Guess Who as well) I would genuinely like to see either completely unexplored territory in the Scooby franchise tested out, or maybe go back to some of the old stuff with some actual research done on the tone of the original work. I don't think it's fair to blame this on the writers. Tim Sheridan admitted in an interview about Curse of the 13th Ghost that WB gave him strict guidelines for the script; no Flim-Flam or Scrappy (he managed to get Flim in due to making him fit the story but couldn't find a way to rework Scrappy into it as well), the supernatural aspects had to be toned down as much as possible, and the ending had to be vague on the supernatural. And we know DC cancelled Scooby Apocalypse because the WB executive in charge of the Scooby-Doo license preferred the classic 70's formula and hated the reinterpretations DC had done with all the Hanna-Barbera properties. It doesn't shock me one bit that Return to Zombie Island was cut off at the knees, because this seems like a pattern from high up in WB, not the Scooby writers' room. Zombie Island is easily the most popular movie, with Mystery Inc. being the most popular series. The two blend fake monster mysteries with truly supernatural plots. But WB seems to prefer the 1969-1979 formula, simply out of nostalgia. And I guarantee that will bite them in the butt sooner or later, since there's a reason the franchise moved away from that format until 2005.
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Post by russm on Sept 14, 2019 13:39:18 GMT -5
My opinion is that Scooby-Doo needs a drastic shakeup in the writer's room, with some new people that truly care about the franchise and have some ideas which legitimately cater to the adults still interested in Scooby-Doo. Explore some new territory in the franchise, experiment a bit, and don't just go with safe nostalgia but not bother to put the work in. (This somewhat goes for Guess Who as well) I would genuinely like to see either completely unexplored territory in the Scooby franchise tested out, or maybe go back to some of the old stuff with some actual research done on the tone of the original work. I don't think it's fair to blame this on the writers. Tim Sheridan admitted in an interview about Curse of the 13th Ghost that WB gave him strict guidelines for the script; no Flim-Flam or Scrappy (he managed to get Flim in due to making him fit the story but couldn't find a way to rework Scrappy into it as well), the supernatural aspects had to be toned down as much as possible, and the ending had to be vague on the supernatural. And we know DC cancelled Scooby Apocalypse because the WB executive in charge of the Scooby-Doo license preferred the classic 70's formula and hated the reinterpretations DC had done with all the Hanna-Barbera properties. It doesn't shock me one bit that Return to Zombie Island was cut off at the knees, because this seems like a pattern from high up in WB, not the Scooby writers' room. Zombie Island is easily the most popular movie, with Mystery Inc. being the most popular series. The two blend fake monster mysteries with truly supernatural plots. But WB seems to prefer the 1969-1979 formula, simply out of nostalgia. And I guarantee that will bite them in the butt sooner or later, since there's a reason the franchise moved away from that format until 2005. As I've said before, give the franchise to someone else (not Marvel).
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Post by Doo on Sept 14, 2019 15:36:39 GMT -5
My opinion is that Scooby-Doo needs a drastic shakeup in the writer's room, with some new people that truly care about the franchise and have some ideas which legitimately cater to the adults still interested in Scooby-Doo. Explore some new territory in the franchise, experiment a bit, and don't just go with safe nostalgia but not bother to put the work in. (This somewhat goes for Guess Who as well) I would genuinely like to see either completely unexplored territory in the Scooby franchise tested out, or maybe go back to some of the old stuff with some actual research done on the tone of the original work. I don't think it's fair to blame this on the writers. Tim Sheridan admitted in an interview about Curse of the 13th Ghost that WB gave him strict guidelines for the script; no Flim-Flam or Scrappy (he managed to get Flim in due to making him fit the story but couldn't find a way to rework Scrappy into it as well), the supernatural aspects had to be toned down as much as possible, and the ending had to be vague on the supernatural. And we know DC cancelled Scooby Apocalypse because the WB executive in charge of the Scooby-Doo license preferred the classic 70's formula and hated the reinterpretations DC had done with all the Hanna-Barbera properties. It doesn't shock me one bit that Return to Zombie Island was cut off at the knees, because this seems like a pattern from high up in WB, not the Scooby writers' room. Zombie Island is easily the most popular movie, with Mystery Inc. being the most popular series. The two blend fake monster mysteries with truly supernatural plots. But WB seems to prefer the 1969-1979 formula, simply out of nostalgia. And I guarantee that will bite them in the butt sooner or later, since there's a reason the franchise moved away from that format until 2005. I would agree partially, and I appreciate you making the distinction between the writer's room and the higher ups at WB (we saw that really play out with Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!). I think, in part, the blatant continuity errors were due to a lack of research, as even though Tim Sheridan was forced to adhere to strict guidelines regarding supernatural elements, I doubt someone came in and directly told him to include wrong details that weren't related to the supernatural aspect (i.e. the trip to Zombie Island being a "summer trip," Daphne's show just being a school project, or Vincent's castle just being an Air B'n'B.) The writers still could have done their research a little better on that aspect and still made it more true to the original, even if they had to abide by the guidelines of the WB higher ups about no Scrappy and supernatural elements. Not saying it's purely their fault, as you're right that the higher ups are probably a bigger issue, but that's just my opinion and I could very well be wrong.
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Post by Soupperson on Sept 14, 2019 16:45:05 GMT -5
This really felt like one of those early Disney 2000’s direct to video sequels, most of which had very little effort put into them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they went with the first idea that came to them for a sequel. I shouldn’t really be calling it a sequel as it’s really a stand alone film, down to the summarizing the plot of the first mid way through. :/ What was the point in that?! If it’s for new fans why make it a sequel at all? I could rant all day Which I shall do at some point, but I’m to tired atm.
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Post by vakanai on Sept 14, 2019 19:31:47 GMT -5
Pretty sure Scoob will be it's own little thing. If they continue on with the Mystery Machine plot i'd wager it will be in a dtv. Maybe Dracula bought it second hand from the guy Fred sold it too in hopes Sha-ghee would show up again? That made me laugh, so thanks for that! I love how Dracula said it as Sha-ghee!
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Post by vakanai on Sept 14, 2019 19:33:51 GMT -5
Although I did like the reveal that Simone hid Moonscar's treasure in a place where only her pendant would reveal it. Even though she killed him, she wanted to rob him of the satisfaction of anyone ever finding his treasure. That is a level of petty I aspire to be. Agreed, this is actually one thing they changed that I like. Totally makes sense with the original film, unlike making Daphne's job a school project.
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