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Post by dravencroft on Mar 4, 2019 15:50:19 GMT -5
By revive, I mean make more current. I think a 3D animated film, following a simple (but perhaps complex) haunted house mystery. It’s such a simple set up, allowing the writers to focus on the comedy and horror aspects. I think that focusing on script quality, rather than a big scale or the “monsters are real” gimmick, would make for a truly great film. A 3D animation style would aesthetically modernise the franchise, but I don’t think they should include modern technology, the Where Are You style ambiguity is perfect.
If there was a 3D film, there would need to be a new series released alongside it. Reruns would also have to start playing more frequently. Just making the series more easily accessible would go a long way.
How do you think the franchise should evolve going forward?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 16:18:59 GMT -5
At this point...3d cgi animation would be a bad idea. Scooby-Doo is one of the few traditionally animated things out there, so let's keep that, 3d is dominant now, let's have something unique about it. Better writing is definitely needed for sure. However rather than focus on the mystery...let's take a break from that and focus specifically on what the group dynamics are...and if they need something to do in a slice of life thing just utilize the careers mentioned in the 80's. Fred writes books, Daphne reports the news, Velma is at NASA and Shaggy does either racing or p.e with Scooby. It would be something different and refreshing. You could even bring back the parents commenting on success after saying something about how mysteries got tedious. This way mysteries were solved, but we get a break from it. It would also allow a bit more room to focus on possible relationships.
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Post by elemage on Mar 4, 2019 21:22:58 GMT -5
At this point...3d cgi animation would be a bad idea. Scooby-Doo is one of the few traditionally animated things out there, so let's keep that, 3d is dominant now, let's have something unique about it. Better writing is definitely needed for sure. However rather than focus on the mystery...let's take a break from that and focus specifically on what the group dynamics are...and if they need something to do in a slice of life thing just utilize the careers mentioned in the 80's. Fred writes books, Daphne reports the news, Velma is at NASA and Shaggy does either racing or p.e with Scooby. It would be something different and refreshing. You could even bring back the parents commenting on success after saying something about how mysteries got tedious. This way mysteries were solved, but we get a break from it. It would also allow a bit more room to focus on possible relationships. I agree. The franchise is 50 years old and every conceivable mystery has already been done. (Though not every monster. I'm SHOCKED the only mermaid in the entire Scooby Multiverse is in one Scholastic novel, if you don't count the movie-exclusive costume from Monsters Unleashed that doesn't even have a backstory and doesn't even get properly seen in the museum scenes.) The way to get people interested in the franchise again is not to rehash the same tired clichés, it's to focus on the characters themselves. Shaggy, the gymnast and race car driver, Velma, the hockey fanatic, wrestling loving NASA scientist, Fred, the classically trained actor and author who's also a TV producer, and Daphne, the beautiful but clever and deadly investigative journalist. We usually never see past the "Shaggy's a foodie and a coward, Velma's stubbornly skeptic and brainy, Fred's the alpha male leader, and Daphne's the gorgeous damsel in distress" archetypes and sadly, that's what the general audience know. They don't know that Pup revealed Velma as a black belt, they don't know that Shaggy is an ace race car driver because racing's in his blood thanks to Dapper Jack, they don't know that Fred can bench press 220, and they certainly don't know that Daphne is a licensed pilot, an expert driver, a certified Lady MacGyver, and is basically Lara Croft in purple. I think the best move would be something extremely similar to Camp Scare; a legitimate horror movie (minus the deaths and gore and injuries, because it's a kids' franchise) with good character development, a spotlight on character dynamics, and subverting all the tropes of the first decade of the franchise (maybe Shaggy finds and deciphers the most important clue instead of Velma, maybe Fred gets captured instead of Daphne, maybe Velma is the one who gets everyone to split up instead of Fred, and maybe Fred is the one who's scared out of his wits due to a particular monster instead of Shaggy). And unlike Camp Scare, the monster is real. Where Camp Scare was Friday the 13th, this hypothetical movie could be more like Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street. The villain isn't a man in a mask, the villain is just evil personified. Maybe the monster is supernatural, maybe they're not. But something like Camp Scare meets Zombie Island and with a 120+ minute runtime would benefit the franchise to no end. I know I haven't mentioned Scooby himself so far, but Scooby's perfect as is; the loving, devoted, brave when he needs to be but usually a chicken, food loving dog. Although I would emphasize his relationships with the others a bit more. Ever since the 1980's, he's been more like Shaggy's conjoined twin than the team's 5th member. And I'd also throw Scrappy in there because why not?
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Post by vakanai on Mar 4, 2019 23:39:20 GMT -5
The franchise is already modern and "current", it has multiple animated movies a year, including several LEGO movies and shorts, it's had 3 cartoon series in the last decade counting this new Guess Who which I think is on some streaming app or another, there are crossovers with current celebrities despite what we may think of them, a recent live action movie with Daphne and Velma cashing in on the current girl power push, and a slew of DVDS in Wal-Mart, and an upcoming theatrical movie which probably will be CGI even if most of us wish otherwise, never mind the recent celebrity voice casting announcement. Hell, Shaggy's even an internet meme right now. How is a 3D animated movie going to make this any more current than it already is? Fans of most franchises would kill to have their property this current.
God it's a great time to be a Scooby Doo fan!
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Post by dravencroft on Mar 5, 2019 1:59:02 GMT -5
The franchise is already modern and "current", it has multiple animated movies a year, including several LEGO movies and shorts, it's had 3 cartoon series in the last decade counting this new Guess Who which I think is on some streaming app or another, there are crossovers with current celebrities despite what we may think of them, a recent live action movie with Daphne and Velma cashing in on the current girl power push, and a slew of DVDS in Wal-Mart, and an upcoming theatrical movie which probably will be CGI even if most of us wish otherwise, never mind the recent celebrity voice casting announcement. Hell, Shaggy's even an internet meme right now. How is a 3D animated movie going to make this any more current than it already is? Fans of most franchises would kill to have their property this current. God it's a great time to be a Scooby Doo fan! 3D animation is not going to automatically make Scooby Doo “current”. It’s an aesthetic change that absolutely opens the door for so much creative design and animation. The majoriy of my point is that there hasn’t been a mainstream Scooby Doo film in 15 years, (no the direct to DVD films are nit mainstream). Releasing a new film with a strong mystery, the idea doesn’t have to be “original”, it’s so easy to select a classic episode and adapt it. A mystery that is more complex than usual would go a long way. My personal preference would be to move more towards Frankencreeoy for humour. The only thing that the franchise is missing, other than a sleek redesign (the Be Cool designs are not favourable), is humour that caters to older audiences as well. This franchise can grow beyond fart jokes and slapstick comedy, not that slapstick should be totally eliminated, it’d a staple and the kids love it. My my point is: this franchise is pumping out plenty of content. However, I think it can grow beyond its current state, to become something truly popular, rather than just an immortal classic. (And yes, I know, it will always be popular. But I mean, having a big budget theatre release)
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Post by vakanai on Mar 5, 2019 3:20:23 GMT -5
The franchise is already modern and "current", it has multiple animated movies a year, including several LEGO movies and shorts, it's had 3 cartoon series in the last decade counting this new Guess Who which I think is on some streaming app or another, there are crossovers with current celebrities despite what we may think of them, a recent live action movie with Daphne and Velma cashing in on the current girl power push, and a slew of DVDS in Wal-Mart, and an upcoming theatrical movie which probably will be CGI even if most of us wish otherwise, never mind the recent celebrity voice casting announcement. Hell, Shaggy's even an internet meme right now. How is a 3D animated movie going to make this any more current than it already is? Fans of most franchises would kill to have their property this current. God it's a great time to be a Scooby Doo fan! 3D animation is not going to automatically make Scooby Doo “current”. It’s an aesthetic change that absolutely opens the door for so much creative design and animation. The majoriy of my point is that there hasn’t been a mainstream Scooby Doo film in 15 years, (no the direct to DVD films are nit mainstream). Releasing a new film with a strong mystery, the idea doesn’t have to be “original”, it’s so easy to select a classic episode and adapt it. A mystery that is more complex than usual would go a long way. My personal preference would be to move more towards Frankencreeoy for humour. The only thing that the franchise is missing, other than a sleek redesign (the Be Cool designs are not favourable), is humour that caters to older audiences as well. This franchise can grow beyond fart jokes and slapstick comedy, not that slapstick should be totally eliminated, it’d a staple and the kids love it. My my point is: this franchise is pumping out plenty of content. However, I think it can grow beyond its current state, to become something truly popular, rather than just an immortal classic. (And yes, I know, it will always be popular. But I mean, having a big budget theatre release) The reason there hasn't been a theatrical film in so long is because the live action movies were bad. And it's already getting some kind of animated theatrical soon, probably in 3D, because 2D theatricals will never ever be a thing again sadly. But if you're expecting that to result in "creative design and animation" I wouldn't hold out hope. All a 3D movie is going to do is give us a 3D movie, and nothing else. 3D's not some gateway into a new era of creativity, it's just the same thing, but now in 3D. And the film doesn't even sound like a more complex mystery but a shared universe film with Captain Caveman and the bumbling villain of Wacky Races. That's how much creativity moving to 3D has inspired, hackneyed corporate in vogue Hollywood ideas I'm afraid probably won't end in a satisfying movie. And when has it ever been about frat jokes? Was that a thing in Be Cool? I only saw a few episodes. Anyway, you're probably gonna get that 3D movie soon, but I'm skeptical it'll be what you want, and it isn't going to do anything for the franchise. Scooby is and will always be cemented in popular culture through the ongoing cartoon series and videos, and no theatrical film is ever going to make a dent in that pop culture awareness in my opinion. Certainly no such movie is likely to make the franchise that more current or somehow creative.
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Post by Doo on Mar 5, 2019 11:12:08 GMT -5
(Though not every monster. I'm SHOCKED the only mermaid in the entire Scooby Multiverse is in one Scholastic novel, if you don't count the movie-exclusive costume from Monsters Unleashed that doesn't even have a backstory and doesn't even get properly seen in the museum scenes.) There was also a mermaid in "The Siren's Song" from Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated (Velma's friend Amy).
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Post by Doo on Mar 5, 2019 11:14:07 GMT -5
I've mentioned this before, but I'd love the franchise to return to the style of those revival (1998-2001) films like Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost. There are very few fans I've met that don't like those films, and IMO they provide the perfect balance of maturity for the older fans, while also not alienating the younger viewers.
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Post by dravencroft on Mar 5, 2019 13:52:21 GMT -5
I've mentioned this before, but I'd love the franchise to return to the style of those revival (1998-2001) films like Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost. There are very few fans I've met that don't like those films, and IMO they provide the perfect balance of maturity for the older fans, while also not alienating the younger viewers. Imagine if Zombie Island was released in theatres and had the budget to up the quality, what a world that’d be
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Post by dravencroft on Mar 5, 2019 14:05:38 GMT -5
3D animation is not going to automatically make Scooby Doo “current”. It’s an aesthetic change that absolutely opens the door for so much creative design and animation. The majoriy of my point is that there hasn’t been a mainstream Scooby Doo film in 15 years, (no the direct to DVD films are nit mainstream). Releasing a new film with a strong mystery, the idea doesn’t have to be “original”, it’s so easy to select a classic episode and adapt it. A mystery that is more complex than usual would go a long way. My personal preference would be to move more towards Frankencreeoy for humour. The only thing that the franchise is missing, other than a sleek redesign (the Be Cool designs are not favourable), is humour that caters to older audiences as well. This franchise can grow beyond fart jokes and slapstick comedy, not that slapstick should be totally eliminated, it’d a staple and the kids love it. My my point is: this franchise is pumping out plenty of content. However, I think it can grow beyond its current state, to become something truly popular, rather than just an immortal classic. (And yes, I know, it will always be popular. But I mean, having a big budget theatre release) The reason there hasn't been a theatrical film in so long is because the live action movies were bad. And it's already getting some kind of animated theatrical soon, probably in 3D, because 2D theatricals will never ever be a thing again sadly. But if you're expecting that to result in "creative design and animation" I wouldn't hold out hope. All a 3D movie is going to do is give us a 3D movie, and nothing else. 3D's not some gateway into a new era of creativity, it's just the same thing, but now in 3D. And the film doesn't even sound like a more complex mystery but a shared universe film with Captain Caveman and the bumbling villain of Wacky Races. That's how much creativity moving to 3D has inspired, hackneyed corporate in vogue Hollywood ideas I'm afraid probably won't end in a satisfying movie. And when has it ever been about frat jokes? Was that a thing in Be Cool? I only saw a few episodes. Anyway, you're probably gonna get that 3D movie soon, but I'm skeptical it'll be what you want, and it isn't going to do anything for the franchise. Scooby is and will always be cemented in popular culture through the ongoing cartoon series and videos, and no theatrical film is ever going to make a dent in that pop culture awareness in my opinion. Certainly no such movie is likely to make the franchise that more current or somehow creative. I presume you mean “fart” jokes, and I was referring to the excessive use of flatulence as comedic relief in the live-action films (which is relevant, because the general population will always associate Scooby Doo with the 2002/2004 film’s, the original Where Are You series and whichever series was airing at the time they grew up. So from most people’s perspective, that’s a feature, along with campy slapstick). I didnt mean to suggest that simply by using 3D, the film would be creative. I mean, there are more visual options that can easily be pulled off in 3D animation. It has also not been properly explored with Scooby Doo. Simply being a new idea isn’t enough of a hook. With a 3D update, the film appears to be “new”, the visuals need to accompany the story. As much as it disappoints me to admit, 2D animation isn’t popular in cinema at present. 3D is just a step in a new visual direction that would signal to the general population that there have been some changes, which is more attractive than another Scooby adventure
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Post by velmablake on Mar 5, 2019 17:54:04 GMT -5
I have a bold idea, and I've shared a couple of very small hints about it on here before but not in exact detail. WB is gonna have to hear this idea from me in person though lol. I really don't want this upcoming Scooby film to flop despite the new voice actors, but in the event that it does - based on how folks are already reacting to the VA news - I am very confident that my idea will be the revival this franchise needs. I even have the marketing and rollout for it thought out lol! I've mentioned this before, but I'd love the franchise to return to the style of those revival (1998-2001) films like Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost. There are very few fans I've met that don't like those films, and IMO they provide the perfect balance of maturity for the older fans, while also not alienating the younger viewers. And I still agree with this. Animated Adult Live-Action-Recast-Free Scooby Gang needs to make a comeback.
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Post by elemage on Mar 5, 2019 18:08:34 GMT -5
(Though not every monster. I'm SHOCKED the only mermaid in the entire Scooby Multiverse is in one Scholastic novel, if you don't count the movie-exclusive costume from Monsters Unleashed that doesn't even have a backstory and doesn't even get properly seen in the museum scenes.) There was also a mermaid in "The Siren's Song" from Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated (Velma's friend Amy). I considered her for a second, but technically sirens are different from mermaids in mythology. Modern media just typically combines the two, just like that episode.
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 5, 2019 18:12:11 GMT -5
While things in some areas are looking rather high for us right now, I would take this time to point out one thing. We at Scoobyaddicts represent a nice mix of different types of Scooby fans (and cartoon fans in general) but the online representation is most certainly not the entirety of the audience. So we've never been able to fully grasp the larger audience other than we know WB wouldn't spend as much money as they do if was only just us.
A lot of the successes for Scooby and friends so far has been accomplished without a lot of direct advertising, without a huge online assault and with those of us that are often active sometimes being pretty divided. It's understandable why we're all not as thrilled by the voice casting announcements but it's too early to say that dooms it to the whole audience. There's a lot of kids, non-Americans and people who just don't go blabbing on the internet who WB are going to hope gets on board.
Right now I admit it could happen or it might not happen depending on how it goes. A bigger theatrical run has more expectations than a dvd release or dtv or tv show. I hope it succeeds but i won't lie when I say if WB makes a bad call it might not.
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Post by snesgamer83 on Mar 8, 2019 22:49:45 GMT -5
Honestly speaking, I think the way "forward"... is actually backwards. In other words, maybe try a more nostalgic look again to re-establish the series' roots. I think the promotional material we have so far for Guess Who? looks pretty promising in that area, actually.
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Post by spike on Apr 13, 2019 17:47:18 GMT -5
"The monsters are real" twist was already done several times, so as the next logical step, I would suggest a psychological thriller. Something like a cartoony version of Mulholland Drive or Jacob's Ladder, where the investigation leads to nowhere, and the protagonists begin to confuse dreams and reality, "what is real and what isn't", or shift between different versions of reality. It could be a spiritual successor to Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated, which explored some pretty dark themes.
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