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Post by scubidu on Mar 3, 2019 12:31:55 GMT -5
Mindy Cohn also replied Matthew's tweet
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Mar 3, 2019 12:33:04 GMT -5
With no Fred or Daph mentioned yet that could mean either Why put Velma in this type of film of all characters? If the other two aren't in this film her character was horrible in the 13 Ghosts film, just why? I don't need to see her complain about the Sci Fi elements in this film like she did the 13 Ghosts one. Daph would have made more sense to keep since there's that 80s style formula they had. Emm, they're not real characters - TBH they're not even developed characters in fiction, it seems to be whatever the writers feel like at the time. They are written poorly, with a real lack of subtly at times. I suspect that they just haven't announced the other VAs yet, and given how badly these announcements have been received they might decide to wait a while. Velma was like this in that kiss film too, she was my least favorite part of both those films and I wasn't even a fan of the Kiss film but I could tolerate some parts of it. Did they not get the negative feedback from the fandom? Not that they would care I guess,I miss What's New Scooby Doo? Velma, she at least accepted these things, example Scooby Doo and the Samurai. If your going to keep Velma apart of the main cast in the films, at least have her be likeable. Heck, I was ok with her in Scooby Doo Where are you? Fans complaining about the originals VA being treated this way, is it too late for them to get these guys back? I mean, film hasn't started production yet, right? Since they are just announcing the VA list. Why that Caveguy character too? He's one of my least favorites, I couldn't even watch his series. Yogi Bear was my second favorite behind Shaggy, now I'm just complaining over all LOL. I don't know if this film will be received well by the Scooby fandom at this point, maybe the new generation will like it than again besides Scooby I don't think will know half of the other characters other than looking it up on the Internet.
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Post by russm on Mar 3, 2019 12:49:56 GMT -5
You do wonder if they care what we think. Ultimately if we decide not to go and watch it or pick-up the DVD then that will speak to them, but our protests, well we'll get some patronising BS like 'it's good that your so passionate about it' which IIRC was the response to people not liking the characterisations in SD:MI.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 3, 2019 13:32:06 GMT -5
I do find this controversy kind of funny since once upon a time, Kate Micucci and Matthew Lillard were the Hollywood Celebs that cucked Mindy Cohn and Scott Innes.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Mar 3, 2019 13:58:09 GMT -5
I use to find Velma as a meh character, but recent productions have made me hate her almost as much as I hate Fred.
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Mar 3, 2019 14:36:32 GMT -5
I do find this controversy kind of funny since once upon a time, Kate Micucci and Matthew Lillard were the Hollywood Celebs that cucked Mindy Cohn and Scott Innes. Didn't the original voice actor of Velma retire? I thought I read that some where, so it would make sense why they'd have no choice but to replace her. Ask for Scott being replaced, I liked his VA for both Shaggy and Scooby but I didn't mind that because those are the 90s films saga, they didn't start making new Scooby films till What's New Scooby Doo series started up, I don't know why they felt Shaggy should eat meat at the time having to replace the original Shaggy VA during the 90s but the catered to him during the later films till he died. After that they replaced Shaggy VA with the most positive feedback for his character instead of random people, makes sense to me. Didn't help these VA found out the hard way that they got replaced. Ask for Velma, yah really wish they'd characterize her better in these new films, I think a lot of Scoby films are sounding like they dislike her sadly.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 3, 2019 14:43:13 GMT -5
I do find this controversy kind of funny since once upon a time, Kate Micucci and Matthew Lillard were the Hollywood Celebs that cucked Mindy Cohn and Scott Innes. Didn't the original voice actor of Velma retire? I thought I read that some where, so it would make sense why they'd have no choice but to replace her. She very much did not "retire". Its been an open secret that she was replaced and she's confirmed as much on her Twitter feed.
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Post by scoobylover on Mar 3, 2019 15:14:04 GMT -5
With no Fred or Daph mentioned yet that could mean either A) They won't be in this film for some reason Or B) Voice actors have not been castes yet. Daph VA said she got the same treatment, this is horrible. At least tell them your not going to be in the Flim before it circles the Internet, what a horrible way to find out. They've been working for Warner Brothers Scooby flicks all these years they get treated like this? What's even the point in casting different Voice actors in the first place? I'm my opinion that's just stupid. Why put Velma in this type of film of all characters? If the other two aren't in this film her character was horrible in the 13 Ghosts film, just why? I don't need to see her complain about the Sci Fi elements in this film like she did the 13 Ghosts one. Daph would have made more sense to keep since there's that 80s style formula they had. They will def be in the movie, trust me. These cast announcements are always fragmented. It’s an Hollywood promo technique
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 15:24:10 GMT -5
I think they might be holding off on announcing Daphne because that's the public window to Scooby. Daphne is the audience analogue (why her character is so flexible) and is generally the first question anybody asks is "Who's playing Daphne?" when the topic is brought up after Scooby himself. Even people who disregard the franchise can at least agree that Daphne is ahem...accomplished.
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Post by russm on Mar 3, 2019 15:33:46 GMT -5
From Mindy Cohn's feed
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Post by manbearpig on Mar 3, 2019 18:19:27 GMT -5
In my opinion, the main problem with Velma is that WB still (since 2012-13) writes her in SD:MI style - with sharper, snarkier, more bitter personality. It worked in SD:MI, but it doesn't fit to her DTV incarnation. Maybe it would if the writing was as good as it was in SD:MI, but it isn't. SD:MI sarcastic Velma had many hillarious lines and good points. Now she's just mean and stubborn nerd because of obvious lazy writing. Sure, Velma was always sarcastic, but it's now too exaggerated because of somebody's lack of ideas. There's nothing worse than a lazy, stupid sarcasm, it highlights intellectual deficits of its author (not Velma's ofc, but her writer's).
If I could write Velma, I would give her her SDWAY and/or 2010-2013 DTVs personality.
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 4, 2019 11:35:38 GMT -5
I admit in 2019, I'm not as partial to the voices as I would have been years back. It would suck to be anyone in the position of only finding out online though.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned though is that there is one upside to hiring SNL alum here, a lot of them are decently skilled impressionists. Some of them might actually be capable of a retro sound when it's only their voice they need to provide.
Of the three mentioned does anybody ever recall a video of any of the three doing these roles anywhere else before? I admit I hadn't really watched much of SNL or that kind of comedy since I graduated high school.
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Post by elemage on Mar 4, 2019 15:09:38 GMT -5
I am... Disgusted. Matthew Lillard replaced as Shaggy. Kate Micucci replaced as Velma (which on Twitter has made people campaign for not only her to step up to the big screen as Velma, but also for the return of Mindy Cohn as Velma). Then you have Grey Delisle stating on Twitter that "at least they kept Frankie", all but confirming she's out as Daphne, too.
And definitely the worst crime of all, Frank is only playing Scooby. Frank has been part of Scooby-Doo since day 1. It was his very first acting job, and Fred has become synonymous with Frank, because aside from Pup, he's been the sole voice actor for him.
And to top it all off, the movie isn't even going to be strictly about Mystery Incorporated? It's about all of the Hanna-Barbera characters (only a handful of whom I care about or even remember anymore) teaming up to stop Dick Dastardly from... What? Being an inept, mustache twirling buffoon like he was on Wacky Races? Yawn.
No one asked for an animated theatrical Scooby-Doo movie, and even if we'd had, no one wanted THIS. I'll pass. Also, really? They couldn't have adapted Dragon's Eye from the original run of DC comics? That story was AMAZING.
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 4, 2019 15:30:58 GMT -5
Whether or not we like other Hanna Barbera properties is one of the issues that divide us at this forum. Some of us don't and others of us like a lot of them just as much as we like Scooby. We aren't an echo chamber here, ever since this angle was announced some of us loved it and others not so much.
But yes lots of us here have been asking for a theatrical push for Scooby and the those of us that like the library have hopes others are onboard the train too. This entire theatrical attempt wouldn't even be here without WB seeing dollar signs on the last decade of Scooby, Tom and Jerry and other HB property merchandise. And after the news of today WB's push of some of these properties is more than likely going upward for the forseeable future.
Whether they maintain or lose us fans in the process, is what we wait to see.
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Post by russm on Mar 4, 2019 15:56:48 GMT -5
Whether or not we like other Hanna Barbera properties is one of the issues that divide us at this forum. Some of us don't and others of us like a lot of them just as much as we like Scooby. We aren't an echo chamber here, ever since this angle was announced some of us loved it and others not so much. But yes lots of us here have been asking for a theatrical push for Scooby and the those of us that like the library have hopes others are onboard the train too. This entire theatrical attempt wouldn't even be here without WB seeing dollar signs on the last decade of Scooby, Tom and Jerry and other HB property merchandise. And after the news of today WB's push of some of these properties is more than likely going upward for the forseeable future. Whether they maintain or lose us fans in the process, is what we wait to see. For me the issue is that WB have no experience in shared-world or 'universe' storytelling, and no Laff-a-Lympics does not count as a functioning shared world. Will this be the Fallout 76 of the Scooby films? Only time will tell but it seems they're already following Besthesda's play-book and have begun annoying fans before they've released much detail of the film.
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