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Post by dravencroft on Jan 28, 2019 8:56:23 GMT -5
Do you think the upcoming sequel to Zombie Island will follow on from Witch’s Ghost, or just Zombie Island?
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Post by Doo on Jan 28, 2019 9:07:19 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Dravencroft! Interesting question. I would say it will follow on from just Zombie Island, and be in between that film and Witch's Ghost continuity-wise.
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Post by mattpricetime on Jan 29, 2019 13:23:43 GMT -5
I know some of us here may cringe when we bring up the continuity discussions but I don't think i'm alone in saying if there ever was going to be any major attempt at it, 2019 seems to the year it is possible to happen.
For years this site and others have had lively discussions on whether there are multiple continuities at play and where something counts or not. But now we have two movies this year that clearly are directly referencing things from past times of Scooby. If there isn't any kind of serious timeline thing mentioned in Curse of the 13th Ghost, I think we can probably agree the series going forward is being written in the same loose continuity that Hanna Barbera intended of Scooby and its other series. Continuity when you want to have fun with it, and none when you don't feel like it.
However now let's think about a few things here. From one of those early released clips from Curse of the 13th Ghost, Daphne has a framed picture of the gang unmasking the moat monster from the beginning of Zombie Island. So to me that implies that case clearly took place before Curse of the 13th Ghost. But does that mean Zombie Island did too? Or is it possible Curse of the 13th Ghost is the case that breaks up Mystery Inc before Zombie Island?
One minor gag that I don't think has been mentioned here but I did see over on the Scooby Wikia....erm Fandom? and on TVTropes. Is that in Frankencreepy when they briefly show the Scooby Doo revenge page, one of the pictures was clearly designed to be the plaid shirt farmer looking guy who appeared in the background of Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyber Chase. At the time I kind of thought that was another indication those first four movies already happened in the loose continuity. Unless there's a reason he happened to be there in three different movies?
So if Return to Zombie Island is going to actually come in between Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost or just be after Curse of the 13th Ghost like normal will again probably help us have a much firmer answer on this continuity discussion.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Jan 29, 2019 14:14:05 GMT -5
For years this site and others have had lively discussions on whether there are multiple continuities at play and where something counts or not. But now we have two movies this year that clearly are directly referencing things from past times of Scooby. If there isn't any kind of serious timeline thing mentioned in Curse of the 13th Ghost, I think we can probably agree the series going forward is being written in the same loose continuity that Hanna Barbera intended of Scooby and its other series. Continuity when you want to have fun with it, and none when you don't feel like it. However now let's think about a few things here. From one of those early released clips from Curse of the 13th Ghost, Daphne has a framed picture of the gang unmasking the moat monster from the beginning of Zombie Island. So to me that implies that case clearly took place before Curse of the 13th Ghost. But does that mean Zombie Island did too? Or is it possible Curse of the 13th Ghost is the case that breaks up Mystery Inc before Zombie Island? Scooby-Doo continuity has never made sense but I use to think it was pretty clear that The Scrappy Years were a separate continuity from the modern stuff. However, Curse of the 13th Ghost seems to be muddying those waters (even more so by the fact that Scrappy doesn't even appear to be in it). |
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Post by scoobylover on Jan 29, 2019 14:39:38 GMT -5
It’s a cartoon, and like all media products we should just suspend our disbelief. Continuity is not an actual thing in a series with 15 spinoffs, 30 movies, 40 specials and so on. There will be a million of different people working on a million different things. It’s rare that people will remember every single detail unless they hire actual Scooby-Doo experts to create more content. It’s about time everyone gives up on this continuity nonsense
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Post by mattpricetime on Jan 29, 2019 14:49:19 GMT -5
I'm going to wait the extra week leaving the room open for Scrappy, Bogel and Weerd. All the bits we've seen so far are loaded even more than usual with gags and references to 13 Ghosts and some others ones like the Moat Monster and the garage sale. If they didn't fit Scrappy and the ghosts in there somewhere I'll be pretty disappointed. But I think we've probably ruled out that they will have big roles but that doesn't mean they may not have surprise appearances or just a small cameo.
My personal take is still they just keep moving forward and will reference the past when and if they chose to. But unless the current Scooby writers want to go in a direction that may surprise us, then we'll probably know for sure in a week.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Jan 30, 2019 0:23:11 GMT -5
One minor gag that I don't think has been mentioned here but I did see over on the Scooby Wikia....erm Fandom? and on TVTropes. Is that in Frankencreepy when they briefly show the Scooby Doo revenge page, one of the pictures was clearly designed to be the plaid shirt farmer looking guy who appeared in the background of Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyber Chase. At the time I kind of thought that was another indication those first four movies already happened in the loose continuity. Unless there's a reason he happened to be there in three different movies? Are you sure you saw that on Scoobypedia? Because I can't find it mentioned anywhere. I could add it if you're able to produce a screenshot confirming that character appears in Frankencreepy. |
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Post by mattpricetime on Jan 30, 2019 0:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Jan 30, 2019 0:47:49 GMT -5
Cool. Just needed to add it to the Continuity section. |
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Post by futurerocker on Jan 30, 2019 9:54:53 GMT -5
I'm going to be the odd one and say that it's going to acknowledge the events of Witch's Ghost and maybe even Alien Invader and Cyber Chase. Those four movies are very close together in style and are usually grouped together when talking about one of them. I don't think we will see characters from all four movies, but their could be references made by the gang members about each of those cases. Who knows, maybe Simon and Lena came back from that spell book in Witch's Ghost.
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Post by scubidu on Jan 30, 2019 10:09:16 GMT -5
I'd like "Return" to be between Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost or at least to include a flashback of that time period, so we could see why Daphne given up on her TV show, you know.
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Post by manbearpig on Jan 30, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
I think that "Return" as the 50th Anniversary movie will refer to all movies of that era, despite focusing on Zombie Island.
Even if it won't, it doesn't have to contradict them (e.g being set between Zombie Island and the Witch's Ghost), provided that the creators know their source material well and they know what they are doing...
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Post by vakanai on Feb 24, 2019 16:46:52 GMT -5
Zombie Island. While I prefer Witch's Ghost as my favorite Scooby Doo movie ever, it's definitely not something that needs to be referenced in a movie titled Return to Zombie Island. I just wish they bring back the look and the history the gang had during the first Zombie Island movie. They kind of failed on that front with the recent 13th Ghost, so I'm worried this will just be like all the recent movies and worse that it might try to retcon the paranormal events of the first one.
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Post by elemage on Mar 3, 2019 23:51:28 GMT -5
I think it's fair to assume that the movie will just focus on Zombie Island. The Scooby Multiverse isn't exactly known for going through its continuity with a fine-tooth comb. I just hope Return to Zombie Island isn't as disappointing as Curse of the 13th Ghost or Scooby-Doo (2020).
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