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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 8, 2019 6:00:05 GMT -5
Well at least DC isn't afraid of utilizing everybody. Even if Flim Flam and Googie were renamed. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks Cliffy is a reimagined Flim-Flam and Daisy Dinkley is Googie. (To be fair, they both desperately needed human names.) I mean not only are the complexions and hair colors identical, Daisy is Shaggy's romantic interest very briefly, and Cliffy is Scrappy's best friend, they fill the same roles. APNSD actually brought Flim Flam up to DeMattis and he had no idea who he was so I doubt he knows who Googie is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 8:03:25 GMT -5
Still the resemblence is uncanny between the two.
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 8, 2019 21:01:29 GMT -5
Personally my hunch for the reasoning why they wanted a 13th ghosts movie now (even if apparently according to Sheridan some of the producers wanted it before realizing there was a ghost still on the lose) is the general concept of the chest of demons.
It's one of the most dangerous things in the HB library they own and it's a handy thing to tuck some bad guy away with. Since Sheridan also pretty confirmed they tucked something ZI away in the last two movies for that movie we aren't supposed to know about, I'm wagering they wanted new viewers to be aware that thing exists just in case someone decides it needs to pop up somewhere else in the future.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 8, 2019 22:09:22 GMT -5
Personally my hunch for the reasoning why they wanted a 13th ghosts movie now (even if apparently according to Sheridan some of the producers wanted it before realizing there was a ghost still on the lose) is the general concept of the chest of demons. If that was the case then they kind of invalidated its power by implying the whole thing was a hoax
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Mar 9, 2019 1:06:33 GMT -5
Speaking of Googie, I personally think she would have worked if she was older Flim-Flam's girlfriend instead of Shaggy's. Maybe they could have done a proper 13 Ghosts spin-off series set a few years into the future. Scooby could just go by human aging and Scrappy could go by Peanuts aging in order to keep him a puppy. Shaggy and Daphne could be somewhere between their late 20's to mid 30's. Maybe my split series idea could have a sub C category which could focus on Flim-Flam and Googie.
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 11, 2019 19:20:46 GMT -5
Personally my hunch for the reasoning why they wanted a 13th ghosts movie now (even if apparently according to Sheridan some of the producers wanted it before realizing there was a ghost still on the lose) is the general concept of the chest of demons. If that was the case then they kind of invalidated its power by implying the whole thing was a hoax
Honestly I understood why Sheridan writing Velma sounded so annoying in that movie much better after his interview. The way he teased, he knows what he believes but won't tell us, cemented to me he's on the real side of the equation but had to include the other side due to the way it was assigned to him. The vagueness otherwise was probably just him hoping he would later get to write more on the subject rather than WB's plan for another dtv movie. Or the little Jim Krieg on his shoulder hoping he'd get to do it.
But none of that would change if someone in the theatrical think tank or a tv show wanted to use it. I mean no one honestly thinks Dick Dastardly is going to be a threat all on his own for a whole movie right? He's got to get help from a magical character, steal something from Dr Zin, steal the chest of demons, etc.
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Post by russm on Mar 12, 2019 3:52:10 GMT -5
If that was the case then they kind of invalidated its power by implying the whole thing was a hoax Honestly I understood why Sheridan writing Velma sounded so annoying in that movie much better after his interview. The way he teased, he knows what he believes but won't tell us, cemented to me he's on the real side of the equation but had to include the other side due to the way it was assigned to him. The vagueness otherwise was probably just him hoping he would later get to write more on the subject rather than WB's plan for another dtv movie. Or the little Jim Krieg on his shoulder hoping he'd get to do it.
But none of that would change if someone in the theatrical think tank or a tv show wanted to use it. I mean no one honestly thinks Dick Dastardly is going to be a threat all on his own for a whole movie right? He's got to get help from a magical character, steal something from Dr Zin, steal the chest of demons, etc.
You can be skeptical without being obnoxious. Again, it's a deliberate choice of the writers to write her like that.
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Post by vakanai on Mar 12, 2019 8:07:47 GMT -5
If that was the case then they kind of invalidated its power by implying the whole thing was a hoax
Honestly I understood why Sheridan writing Velma sounded so annoying in that movie much better after his interview. The way he teased, he knows what he believes but won't tell us, cemented to me he's on the real side of the equation but had to include the other side due to the way it was assigned to him. The vagueness otherwise was probably just him hoping he would later get to write more on the subject rather than WB's plan for another dtv movie. Or the little Jim Krieg on his shoulder hoping he'd get to do it.
But none of that would change if someone in the theatrical think tank or a tv show wanted to use it. I mean no one honestly thinks Dick Dastardly is going to be a threat all on his own for a whole movie right? He's got to get help from a magical character, steal something from Dr Zin, steal the chest of demons, etc.
There's no way that the Chest of Demons is going to show up in the big CGI team up movie. Never mind that the theatrical is going to share even less continuity with 13 Ghosts than this sequel did. My money's on some original idea or macguffin to provide the threat.
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Post by spocklocker on Mar 12, 2019 19:21:49 GMT -5
I know Sheridan was in a tough situation with not being allowed to say whether ghosts were real or not, but there had to be a way to write it without having Velma be so unlikable. The bit where she says the other 12 ghosts were just a mass hallucination really made her seem less like a skeptic and more like a bad friend.
And there was an obvious alternative, for her to say that all the other ghosts were fakes too. In the world of Scooby-Doo it's completely possible that everything we saw in 13 Ghosts could have been faked with a lot of expensive equipment.
Of course if she had said that then I'd probably be complaining that they provided a plausible argument for the ghosts not being real. This way Velma offered an explanation that none of the other characters could take seriously.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 12, 2019 20:41:35 GMT -5
I know Sheridan was in a tough situation with not being allowed to say whether ghosts were real or not, but there had to be a way to write it without having Velma be so unlikable. The bit where she says the other 12 ghosts were just a mass hallucination really made her seem less like a skeptic and more like a bad friend. And there was an obvious alternative, for her to say that all the other ghosts were fakes too. In the world of Scooby-Doo it's completely possible that everything we saw in 13 Ghosts could have been faked with a lot of expensive equipment. Of course if she had said that then I'd probably be complaining that they provided a plausible argument for the ghosts not being real. This way Velma offered an explanation that none of the other characters could take seriously. A "better" explanation would've been that Mortipher hired henchmen to be the other 12 Ghosts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 20:57:31 GMT -5
Too bad they had to do that "How dare you question Velma!" approach that WNSD took, or as Whyboy's video so elloquently put it "So says I, biggest brain in the room, I solve mystery followed sassy gibberish from ms. Smarty pants". At least saying "disguised villains that were actually competent" would have been less frustraiting than saying "daydreams" to which Flim Flam could counter by saying "if we never caught ghosts especially one who was a comic book enthusiast, then you never had an adventure with Batman." Oh wait-Velma serves as Mystery Inc's Bat equivalent. Can't dis a Bat according to WB.
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 14, 2019 19:18:37 GMT -5
Honestly I understood why Sheridan writing Velma sounded so annoying in that movie much better after his interview. The way he teased, he knows what he believes but won't tell us, cemented to me he's on the real side of the equation but had to include the other side due to the way it was assigned to him. The vagueness otherwise was probably just him hoping he would later get to write more on the subject rather than WB's plan for another dtv movie. Or the little Jim Krieg on his shoulder hoping he'd get to do it.
But none of that would change if someone in the theatrical think tank or a tv show wanted to use it. I mean no one honestly thinks Dick Dastardly is going to be a threat all on his own for a whole movie right? He's got to get help from a magical character, steal something from Dr Zin, steal the chest of demons, etc.
You can be skeptical without being obnoxious. Again, it's a deliberate choice of the writers to write her like that. I tend to use the term "cynic" as to better describe what she came off as in this movie. I found her being written as an honest skeptic in Kiss was much more likable. But that movie also had her seem distressed for a moment her "right" was kind of boring. Which is a line a cynical materialist would never say in public ever. But my main point was that she came off that way because she was being written by someone who probably didn't like having to include it in the first place. Had Sheridan not have had that guideline I think he'd have written Velma's dialogue a lot differently.
All I said was it was a possibility on how to go about it. I named two others, there's dozens more on top of that both using legacy elements or new ones. I think James Tucker's comments on not being able to use the old Scooby doo villains (rather than the 13 ghosts) might have been a hint for some of their involvement in this movie though. Cervone asking on Twitter for people's favorite Scooby villains may also have been another hint. But even with that line of thinking I still see Dick needing help there.
This movie is their major push to get certain elements that have been riding the bench back into the spotlight. Only so many are going to be there but given WB's been playing with under utilized characters in legacy productions for the last several years, I do expect some surprises to be found in this movie. This brings us back to one of the questions we have little answers on. We have no idea who is or isn't it and we have no idea how many of them are old or new. The list of characters can alter this movie's plot and chances drastically.
As far as continuity goes, I would have thought Sheridan's interview would have ended that whole line of thinking. WB is doing things in the laid back HB way of thinking. The continuity can be anything the producers and writers want it to be. They can change it to something new when they want to or have things from the past return when they want to. Since we know now this movie will be a crossover crisis to the library as a whole we don't know how many past series or works it'll use and which it'll ignore.
Although serious idea here, if this movie is CGI, we are going to be making jokes about Quest World, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 21:27:33 GMT -5
Quest World...well somebody must have got the materilization program for that mixed up with the CN Groovies album.
Also why did Sheridan's interview just barely make some things less frustraiting and others more frustraiting at the same time?
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Post by elemage on Mar 16, 2019 7:59:49 GMT -5
You can be skeptical without being obnoxious. Again, it's a deliberate choice of the writers to write her like that. I mean, it really is deliberate. Look at Mystery Incorporated. I know a lot of people don't like her depiction in that because she's overly snarky and standoffish, but that's probably the best example of her skepticism turned into belief and definitely the best written. She doesn't try to rationalize it all away, she doesn't demean her friends for believing it's all real. Instead she starts looking into scientific explanations for what's going on, like different dimensions, doomsday scenarios, strange planets, etc. She was definitely skeptical in the original DTV's, but it wasn't a huge focal point of her personality, and she quickly dropped any skepticism once faced with real zombies and ghosts. Meanwhile, they literally deal with the same thing (an evil, world-threatening, extra-dimensional entity) in KISS, but she's incredibly insufferable and smug about how psychic powers don't exist (which... They do. At least in the Scooby Multiverse, as we've seen quite a handful of times.), and continues to deny that she traveled to another planet even while she's there. And somehow they even manage to make her worse than that in 13th Ghost. With Velma, the goal should always be to write her with Dana Scully levels of skepticism. She'll go into a mystery assuming it's a man in a mask, entertain the possibility of the monster being real, study scientific concepts that could explain how that creature could exist, and if it's real, accept that it was real and assume it was a one-time occurrence and move on to the next mystery and do the process all over again. Which is honestly how every version of Velma prior to Mystery Incorporated was portrayed (possibly even before What's New, though I haven't seen her be aggressively skeptic in that show, she just usually takes the monster at face value). So you're right, it is a deliberate choice. She certainly wasn't anywhere near as bad in Gourmet Ghost, she was pretty normal there actually. And Tim Sheridan wrote both of these movies so it's not like he doesn't understand Velma's character. I am not hopeful about Return to Zombie Island if this is what WB is forcing writers to do.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Oct 5, 2019 8:14:18 GMT -5
Didn't know where else to post this but Scrappy has a very brief cameo in a recent Wacky Races. Dick is competing against a younger female racer. Dastardly activates a canon on the Mean Machine that shoots out Snagglepuss carrying TNT ("There are no small parts, only small actors! Exit stage aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"). The girl responds by activating a canon that shoots Scrappy holding a cartoon bomb ("Scrappy Dappy Doo!"). The two crash into each other and blow up. The episode has only aired in the UK so far and this is just a clip that has been posted on Twitter so I don't know if either of them are in the rest of the episode. Scrappy sounded like Innes so it might have been an archival recording.
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