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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 3, 2019 17:36:22 GMT -5
Jon Colton Barry did say on Twitter that he wrote a Be Cool episode with Scrappy in it but cut him out because he wasn't pleased with the script.
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Post by elemage on Mar 3, 2019 23:42:55 GMT -5
Jon Colton Barry did say on Twitter that he wrote a Be Cool episode with Scrappy in it but cut him out because he wasn't pleased with the script. I saw that too, and he was very clear about it not being due to executive meddling, and that Scrappy was even planned to have a story arc in the cancelled third season, meaning he either would've joined the gang permanently or have been a huge recurring character. Shame it never got to that stage. The Be Cool versions of the gang were so well-defined that an entire season focused on rehabilitating Scrappy wouldn't have taken anything away from them. And I would've definitely crossed my fingers for Scott Innes to return as the character, he was a good mix of Lennie's fire and Don's likability.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 4, 2019 7:26:54 GMT -5
Jon Colton Barry did say on Twitter that he wrote a Be Cool episode with Scrappy in it but cut him out because he wasn't pleased with the script. I saw that too, and he was very clear about it not being due to executive meddling, and that Scrappy was even planned to have a story arc in the cancelled third season, meaning he either would've joined the gang permanently or have been a huge recurring character. Shame it never got to that stage. The Be Cool versions of the gang were so well-defined that an entire season focused on rehabilitating Scrappy wouldn't have taken anything away from them. And I would've definitely crossed my fingers for Scott Innes to return as the character, he was a good mix of Lennie's fire and Don's likability. I don't really buy any of the conspiracy theories people like to push about the absence of Scrappy. I think it comes more from a lack of imagination on the part of Scooby writers rather than an organized plot by WB.
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Post by elemage on Mar 4, 2019 15:01:39 GMT -5
I saw that too, and he was very clear about it not being due to executive meddling, and that Scrappy was even planned to have a story arc in the cancelled third season, meaning he either would've joined the gang permanently or have been a huge recurring character. Shame it never got to that stage. The Be Cool versions of the gang were so well-defined that an entire season focused on rehabilitating Scrappy wouldn't have taken anything away from them. And I would've definitely crossed my fingers for Scott Innes to return as the character, he was a good mix of Lennie's fire and Don's likability. I don't really buy any of the conspiracy theories people like to push about the absence of Scrappy. I think it comes more from a lack of imagination on the part of Scooby writers rather than an organized plot by WB. I think it's honestly a little bit of both. Because there is no reason whatsoever for Scrappy to be absent from 13th Ghost. Especially when Flim-Flam was brought back and made into a decent and tolerable supporting character. Flim-Flam was even more hated than Scrappy!
However, between his cameo in Scoobynatural, his prominence in Apocalypse (J.M. DeMatteis even said on Twitter that Scrappy was his favorite character) and the recent (well, 2015 recent anyways) release of his first season with the Gang on DVD, it did seem like they weren't shying away from him anymore. At least until the "What's a Scrappy?" joke.
Unless the Guess Who crew also want to make an attempt at fixing Scrappy (which due to the format is near impossible), who knows how long we'll have to wait.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 15:56:55 GMT -5
If they did bring Scrappy back...maybe what they need to do is focus him more on Don's version and have Daphne silence Fred and/or Velma about the agreement with some sort of comment about how she and Shaggy had their fingers crossed when that happened and thereby saying that they kept Flim Flam a secret because Fred and Velma wanted Scrappy to be a secret.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 4, 2019 15:57:33 GMT -5
I don't really buy any of the conspiracy theories people like to push about the absence of Scrappy. I think it comes more from a lack of imagination on the part of Scooby writers rather than an organized plot by WB. I think it's honestly a little bit of both. Because there is no reason whatsoever for Scrappy to be absent from 13th Ghost. Especially when Flim-Flam was brought back and made into a decent and tolerable supporting character. Flim-Flam was even more hated than Scrappy! The original 13 Ghosts already had too many characters and this movie had to add Fred and Velma to the mix. Notice how Bogel and Weerd didn't even get a mention.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 6, 2019 12:07:18 GMT -5
I think it's honestly a little bit of both. Because there is no reason whatsoever for Scrappy to be absent from 13th Ghost. Especially when Flim-Flam was brought back and made into a decent and tolerable supporting character. Flim-Flam was even more hated than Scrappy! The original 13 Ghosts already had too many characters and this movie had to add Fred and Velma to the mix. Notice how Bogel and Weerd didn't even get a mention. Listening to Tim Sheridan's interview on A Podcast Named Scooby-Doo, it seems like we were both right!
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Post by elemage on Mar 6, 2019 22:29:55 GMT -5
Listening to Tim Sheridan's interview on A Podcast Named Scooby-Doo, it seems like we were both right! Yup. For those who haven't listened to the interview (you should listen to it because it's pretty interesting and he also interviews Grey, the voice of Daphne) he was specifically told not to use Flim-Flam OR Scrappy by Warner Bros. in this movie, but he kept them both in consideration while writing the script due to wanting to redeem both of them. As we all know, Flim-Flam did make it into the final film and to lots of good reception. Unfortunately, much like in Be Cool and those writers, he couldn't find a way to properly service Scrappy while fitting him into the story that had already been planned out, so Scrappy ultimately didn't make it into the film, but he was hopeful for a Scrappy Renaissance. (Which between Apocalypse, Be Cool and 13th Ghost, I would bet is going to happen very soon.)
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Post by Doo on Mar 6, 2019 22:45:30 GMT -5
Very interesting and sad to hear that WB is still afraid to reintroduce Scrappy. I hope they'll eventually get over their irrational fear someday and reintroduce him once again in a positive manner. Anything mentioned on why Weerd and Bogel weren't mentioned in the film?
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 6, 2019 22:59:42 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear that we got some of those questions asked to him in an interview. It did seem to confirm a lot of our thoughts. One bit that I think explains quite a few conversations we've had in the past is that it seems all the current members of the "think tank" on at least the Scooby projects aren't always on the same page on certain things. Scrappy appears to be one of those examples.
On any of these cases, it more than likely is more dependent on what the current voices in the room say rather than any hard line rule. Just because its that way now, that can totally not be true once someone leaves or somebody new gets hired.
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Mar 6, 2019 23:33:03 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear that we got some of those questions asked to him in an interview. It did seem to confirm a lot of our thoughts. One bit that I think explains quite a few conversations we've had in the past is that it seems all the current members of the "think tank" on at least the Scooby projects aren't always on the same page on certain things. Scrappy appears to be one of those examples. On any of these cases, it more than likely is more dependent on what the current voices in the room say rather than any hard line rule. Just because its that way now, that can totally not be true once someone leaves or somebody new gets hired. The part where he said how producers couldn't decide if the 13 Ghosts were real or fake was super enlightening. Wonder what it means for Zombie Island since he pretty much confirms the existence of a sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 7:12:37 GMT -5
Well at least Scrappy was being considered. Too bad WB is still afraid of it. Flim Flam though sorta echoes what a lot of us have either thought or said. If we're gonna bring back somebody from the Scrappy heap...do the one that wasn't overutilized first...and argue something along the lines of being the Jon Kent equivalent...I wonder if Sheridan ever brought that up so Flim Flam could be in...as in he might have claimed that even the most hated character is similar to the most popular kid character in the comic books over at DC...just because Jon offers something new. Well at least DC isn't afraid of utilizing everybody. Even if Flim Flam and Googie were renamed.
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Post by elemage on Mar 7, 2019 18:37:11 GMT -5
Well at least DC isn't afraid of utilizing everybody. Even if Flim Flam and Googie were renamed. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks Cliffy is a reimagined Flim-Flam and Daisy Dinkley is Googie. (To be fair, they both desperately needed human names.) I mean not only are the complexions and hair colors identical, Daisy is Shaggy's romantic interest very briefly, and Cliffy is Scrappy's best friend, they fill the same roles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 20:34:36 GMT -5
And the fact that Cliffy is the name of the kid...oh brother. That's all WB could thing of...another dog name for Flim Flam's reversioning. You would think he would be taller and wearing red. Then again it's better he isn't, we all know red shirt=operation human shield and that's just cruel.
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Post by spocklocker on Mar 7, 2019 22:42:00 GMT -5
I found it weird that the producers would come up with the idea for a 13 Ghosts followup movie but then be divided on whether the ghosts were real. I mean if you're not sure you want the ghosts to be real then why not just not make a movie based on that series?
Though I suppose 13 Ghosts might have enough of a following that they saw some sales potential in a new movie. If they didn't even know that the gang never caught all the ghosts, then maybe they weren't basing the idea on much more than the idea that Vincent Van Ghoul should come back in some way.
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