|
Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Nov 10, 2018 17:47:02 GMT -5
Is this movie a separate continuity from the main WB series (What's New? plus every other animated DTV since 1998)? Because they are claiming this is Velma's first real ghost encounter when she has encountered real ghosts in the WB series on several occasions.
|
|
|
Post by scubidu on Nov 10, 2018 20:09:25 GMT -5
Is this movie a separate continuity from the main WB series (What's New? plus every other animated DTV since 1998)? Because they are claiming this is Velma's first real ghost encounter when she has encountered real ghosts in the WB series on several occasions. It's debatable that What's New? and EVERY OTHER movie since 1998 are in the same continuity. But I take this new movie and the TV show as a part of a different timeline.
|
|
|
Post by scoobnick on Nov 10, 2018 20:24:24 GMT -5
i think its in its own continuity
|
|
|
Post by barneynedward on Nov 10, 2018 20:32:22 GMT -5
Every Scooby Production from 1969 - 1988 plus all the comics (minus Apocalypse) and What's New and all the DTV's and soon Guess Who, are considered part of the same continuity. The reason so many things are different is because Scooby Doo like any other Hanna Barbera series is infested with rather egregious continuity errors going all the way back to 1969. For example, originally Velma went to the same high school as the rest of the gang, Shaggy was even her date to a dance in one episode. In New Movies however, Velma went to a different school instead. Then in the Scooby-Doo show Velma was back to attending the same school as the others. Others are noticeable too. In some episodes, one of them will know how to do something and in the next episode when they need to do that again, they don't know how. Plus the few foods Shaggy doesn't like change from episode to episode. The lack of mentions of Scrappy is simply another continuity error. H-B was never any good at neatly tying up the continuities for their shows probably because before they started making the Flintstones, all of their productions were packages of seven minute shorts in which would be impossible to build continuity. The Flintstones itself was rife with errors. Fred and Wilma first met three or four different ways in various flashbacks or comments throughout the original. Another continuity error in Scooby has Velma constantly ignoring the fact that she's encountered real monsters before. The first true real monster (an evil genie) appeared in season 2 of New Movies, yet in the Scooby Doo show she always insists that there are no such things as ghosts or monsters.
|
|
|
Post by velmablake on Nov 11, 2018 11:12:05 GMT -5
I just saw the trailer, and OMG I am fangirling!
Vincent Price, older Flim Flam, they even brought back Daphne's 13 Ghost look and put a modern twist on it!!! And you know what, I just know they're gonna surprise us with Scrappy. He probably got kidnapped by the 13th ghost!
ETA: wait a minute, so the gang still seems the same age wise, while Flim-Flam has grown up...I know that the gang is gonna be older in the Zombie Island sequel, but they should've also been older here. That's just my only small criticism, though.
ETA 2: Just realized that even Red Shirt Shaggy got alluded to with his Hawaiian shirt. I lowkey wish his shirt would've stayed red in some way or another the entire film, lol.
|
|
|
Post by Doo on Nov 11, 2018 11:19:34 GMT -5
I would say it's set between the 80s films and What's New, sometime. Doesn't explain how Flim Flam's older though, but who knows, maybe there will be some super amazing all-encompassing explanation that accounts for all of these things...at least one can hope haha.
|
|
|
Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Nov 11, 2018 11:38:55 GMT -5
I would say it's set between the 80s films and What's New, sometime. Doesn't explain how Flim Flam's older though, but who knows, maybe there will be some super amazing all-encompassing explanation that accounts for all of these things...at least one can hope haha. <iframe width="12.899999999999977" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 12.899999999999977px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_13890340" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="12.899999999999977" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 12.9px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 597px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74823069" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="12.899999999999977" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 12.9px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_96012755" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="12.899999999999977" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 12.9px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 597px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_8706189" scrolling="no"></iframe> Mystery solving keeps wrinkles away
|
|
|
Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Nov 11, 2018 12:22:13 GMT -5
I am going with this movie being set in a separate continuity from the main DTV series as continuity can be left up to the viewers when it comes to something like this. They will probably make an explanation for why the gang doesn't age. Maybe when Flim Flam received immortality, he would stop aging when he reached his early 20's, as I am sure the gang were in their early 20's during the 1980's era.
|
|
|
Post by mattpricetime on Nov 11, 2018 14:26:24 GMT -5
Generally speaking if we take how other properties handled aging it was fairly par the course. The kids "grow up" to get their meddling kid bod, while adults generally stay the same unless they get grey hair. Scooby's just never tackled that yet, but in a movie that is clearly a throwback it kind of makes sense they'd follow that path.
However one thing I've seen being thrown about now regarding the fact that Flim Flam has aged and Scrappy is absent, what if his surprise appearance is actually him having grown up?
Also I generally stay out of too many of these continuity discussions, as I stick to faulty timeline and stay happy. But I do remember how I only half seriously suggested once what if the missing ghost from this series somehow reset the Scooby timeline.....while I doubt they'd take it that seriously I would laugh so hard if that actually is part of the "curse of the 13th ghost".
|
|
|
Post by manbearpig on Nov 11, 2018 14:41:39 GMT -5
Scooby Doo is a complex multiverse with many timelines and separate universes. It's not official, except of series declared as reboots - SDMI and Be Cool - these are officially in different universes. For me, the main distinction between SD universes is the existence or non-existence of the paranormal activity (as we know, the non-existence of ghosts and monsters was an unofficial educational aspect of the original SDWAY series and personally, I like it more). I'll focus here on "paranormal" universes/timelines. Velma's point of view will be very useful to make distinctions between them. I think that Zombie Island to Cyber Chase movies are set in different universes/timelines than 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo and Curse of 13th Ghost is set in a different timeline than 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo. In Zombie Island the Gang was just bored of greedy people in costumes and retired to be reunited some time later. And Velma's first encounter with real ghosts and monsters was on Moonscar Island. In 13 Ghosts of SD, Fred and Velma just went to their jobs, but Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby kept Mystery Inc. in mystery solving business. We don't know, when Velma will have her first paranormal encounter, if ever will... (TNSDM A Halloween Hassle at Dracula Castle?) In the Curse of 13th Ghost, they seem to be a bit younger than in 1985 series (and Flim - Flam is much older). They retired, because they failed a case, accusing an innocent man and after that, Fred and Velma went to a summer camp, instead of getting their jobs. Also here Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby (secretly?) kept Mystery Inc alive. There's a possibility that Scrappy Doo didn't participate in the search for 13 ghosts along with them in this timeline. 13th Ghost will be Velma's first paranormal experience. Goblin King and Samurai Sword are also in another different timeline (timelines?) for sure, as Velma fainted seeing paranormal stuff for the first time in Goblin King. I don't know what about What's New?, I think it's in different universe/timeline than DTVs after Abracadabra Doo, Zombie Island, Guess Who, and maybe even Goblin King and Samurai Sword... Live action movies are also set in different universes, but I don't want to write about them here. ^These are of course only my own theories, opinions and headcanons, you can have your own and that's fine. That's the beauty of the fandom TL;DR: Scooby Doo is a mess.
|
|
|
Post by slicknickshady on Nov 11, 2018 15:16:16 GMT -5
Good thoughts.
I think my concerns are well known. DTVs I considered one canon. Every other series it’s own. Now they are trying to entwine both and it’s not wise.
Tom recently said he thought of Shaggy and Daphne together in 13 Ghosts. But now that it’s entwined with the DTVs.. I just refuse to believe it. Fred and Daphne canonically love each other. (Stage Fright). But Daphne was also with Shaggy (13 Ghosts). Now it’s combined “Curse of”. My guess is they are just going to ignore Tom Reugger and his thoughts. That are only now known because he said so in an email almost 34 years later? Tom has nothing to do with the movie. So that solves it imo.
|
|
|
Post by shaggyfan86 on Nov 11, 2018 15:18:54 GMT -5
Yah, timelines a little weird now. I mean in the original 13 ghosts series wasn't it said Fred was writing a book while Velma was working with NASA? Here they both went to camp. I know in the Scrappy shows Fred and Velma defiantly saw spooky ghosts and real monsters. I could use that excuse of them being driven crazy from seeing that stuff that they just snapped LOL. I mean for gosh sakes look at every time Velma sees things like this now, she looses it.
The others shows past 13 Ghosts are different universes for sure. In one film we see Daphney getting her drivers license for the first time. In Scooby Doo on Zombie Island she had it already.
I'll just say this film is apart of the 13 ghosts series, other wise why do this in the first place?
I just hope they explain Scrappy's where abouts without a joke tossed in there. I'd also love it like I said before if Shaggy talked about his other adventures in the past, or hint at it.
|
|
|
Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Nov 11, 2018 15:23:10 GMT -5
I do agree that the 13th Ghosts Movie is a separate timeline from the original show. If Scrappy has grown up in this movie, they will probably claim he stunt his growth so they can keep him the same appearance like they did in the first live action movie despite the live action movies being non canon.
|
|
|
Post by slicknickshady on Nov 11, 2018 15:27:46 GMT -5
I think it’s as simple as.. it’s no use trying to figure it out.
I really don’t like shipping wars. What bugs me is just now it’s supposed to be combined? But imo I’m taking what Tom said in an email too seriously probably. Lol. That’s what’s got me going. If anything this just puts a nail in the coffin of trying to create different universes. I thought we had a good formula down for how to separate canon. Not anymore.
it is a mess.. manbearpig.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 17:01:57 GMT -5
An interesting premise, though grey wasn't the color choice i would have went with to correspond with the yellow on the aged up Flim Flam. I expected a bit more red besides his sneakers. Then again...they might have intentionally went with grey because every psuedo-latin renegade detective likes looking like an autumn leaf.
|
|