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Post by vakanai on Dec 4, 2018 11:41:24 GMT -5
There definitely stepping up their game this year for releases. I felt like 2017 was just meh. Two average crossovers and a terrible live-action movie that looked rushed. Only good thing was the Scoobnatural crossover, Glad to see they stepping their game up this year and hopefully for the next few years. Really? I thought the Batman crossover was pretty good, easily one of the better if not best Scooby crossovers in fact, alongside Scoobynatural. I wouldn't call the live action film rushed either, I'd say the problem was more the premise and execution than speed of development. Not arguing on the quality of it, just disagree on the why it failed aspect. The Bobby Flay one was just average, though I liked the ghost for that one.
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Post by futurerocker on Dec 5, 2018 1:24:46 GMT -5
There definitely stepping up their game this year for releases. I felt like 2017 was just meh. Two average crossovers and a terrible live-action movie that looked rushed. Only good thing was the Scoobnatural crossover, Glad to see they stepping their game up this year and hopefully for the next few years. Really? I thought the Batman crossover was pretty good, easily one of the better if not best Scooby crossovers in fact, alongside Scoobynatural. I wouldn't call the live action film rushed either, I'd say the problem was more the premise and execution than speed of development. Not arguing on the quality of it, just disagree on the why it failed aspect. The Bobby Flay one was just average, though I liked the ghost for that one. I'm not a huge fan of all these crossovers and would much rather have an original story. I was never a huge fan of the gang crossing over with Batman, because the villain is usually always a villain from Batman. The movie to me was just alright. I did enjoy Scoobynatural for it darker tone which I think the scooby series need right now, though it still was a crossover which kinda ruined it for me. Daphne and Velma was really bad in my opinion. I think there was a lot more reason than it was just rushed. Premise was a rehash of the first live action movie and the set and design was terrible. Casting was meh and the actors felt a little weird. I will admit, whoever played Daphne did an alright job, but that it when it comes to positives. Scooby Doo and the Gourmet Ghost was actually my favorite film they released this year because it felt more like an original story than a crossover, though I still think its one of the weaker movies.
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Post by vakanai on Dec 21, 2018 7:23:03 GMT -5
Really? I thought the Batman crossover was pretty good, easily one of the better if not best Scooby crossovers in fact, alongside Scoobynatural. I wouldn't call the live action film rushed either, I'd say the problem was more the premise and execution than speed of development. Not arguing on the quality of it, just disagree on the why it failed aspect. The Bobby Flay one was just average, though I liked the ghost for that one. I'm not a huge fan of all these crossovers and would much rather have an original story. I was never a huge fan of the gang crossing over with Batman, because the villain is usually always a villain from Batman. The movie to me was just alright. I did enjoy Scoobynatural for it darker tone which I think the scooby series need right now, though it still was a crossover which kinda ruined it for me. Daphne and Velma was really bad in my opinion. I think there was a lot more reason than it was just rushed. Premise was a rehash of the first live action movie and the set and design was terrible. Casting was meh and the actors felt a little weird. I will admit, whoever played Daphne did an alright job, but that it when it comes to positives. Scooby Doo and the Gourmet Ghost was actually my favorite film they released this year because it felt more like an original story than a crossover, though I still think its one of the weaker movies. If being a crossover is an automatic mark against it no matter what I guess they'll all seem bad, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have - Scoobynatural was only allowed to be as dark as it was because it was a crossover with a darker show. In all non-crossover events the darkest Scooby we will ever get is what we saw in Zombie Island (hopefully Return to Zombie Island will be as good), Witch's Ghost, and the Mystery Inc. series.
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Post by russm on Dec 21, 2018 9:29:26 GMT -5
...Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have... Scooby Apocalypse. OK, it's a comic but, y'know the world has gone to hell in a handcart, Daphne's racked up a body-count that puts a Tarantino movie to shame, Velma's pregnant and partially responsible for the whole world in handcart business, Fred's dead - twice (which is rather clumsy of him), Scrappy's almost a good of a killing machine as Daphne...
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Post by jonathanmuddlemore on Dec 21, 2018 11:54:58 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of all these crossovers and would much rather have an original story. I was never a huge fan of the gang crossing over with Batman, because the villain is usually always a villain from Batman. The movie to me was just alright. I did enjoy Scoobynatural for it darker tone which I think the scooby series need right now, though it still was a crossover which kinda ruined it for me. Daphne and Velma was really bad in my opinion. I think there was a lot more reason than it was just rushed. Premise was a rehash of the first live action movie and the set and design was terrible. Casting was meh and the actors felt a little weird. I will admit, whoever played Daphne did an alright job, but that it when it comes to positives. Scooby Doo and the Gourmet Ghost was actually my favorite film they released this year because it felt more like an original story than a crossover, though I still think its one of the weaker movies. If being a crossover is an automatic mark against it no matter what I guess they'll all seem bad, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have - Scoobynatural was only allowed to be as dark as it was because it was a crossover with a darker show. In all non-crossover events the darkest Scooby we will ever get is what we saw in Zombie Island (hopefully Return to Zombie Island will be as good), Witch's Ghost, and the Mystery Inc. series. I still don't get why people say Witch's Ghost is "darker". The final villain isn't any more threatening than Disney villains like Maleficent or Ursula. If anything, having a victim of the Salem Witch Trials turn out to be a real witch is actually way more immature and silly.
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Post by vakanai on Dec 21, 2018 14:36:24 GMT -5
...Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have... Scooby Apocalypse. OK, it's a comic but, y'know the world has gone to hell in a handcart, Daphne's racked up a body-count that puts a Tarantino movie to shame, Velma's pregnant and partially responsible for the whole world in handcart business, Fred's dead - twice (which is rather clumsy of him), Scrappy's almost a good of a killing machine as Daphne... I don't count the comics. Comics are a very small and obscure part of the Scooby merchandising just a couple steps away from fan art. Personal opinion of course.
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Post by vakanai on Dec 21, 2018 14:37:08 GMT -5
If being a crossover is an automatic mark against it no matter what I guess they'll all seem bad, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have - Scoobynatural was only allowed to be as dark as it was because it was a crossover with a darker show. In all non-crossover events the darkest Scooby we will ever get is what we saw in Zombie Island (hopefully Return to Zombie Island will be as good), Witch's Ghost, and the Mystery Inc. series. I still don't get why people say Witch's Ghost is "darker". The final villain isn't any more threatening than Disney villains like Maleficent or Ursula. If anything, having a victim of the Salem Witch Trials turn out to be a real witch is actually way more immature and silly. Darker than 99% of everything else Scooby animated alongside Zombie Island I think yes. Author guy was legit creepy at the end (especially with VA, forget his name but Rocky Horror Picture Show and Ferngully baddie), lulled into false sense of security with unmasking then bam real ghost, and despite the knock Maleficent/Ursula villain is still more threatening and darker then most everything else the gang had faced up to that point (and kids aren't going to think of real world tragedy of the Salem Witch Trials, just ooh real witch).
By most standards sure it isn't really dark, but by Scooby standards? Easily a darker film.
BTW - Anyone know how to multiqoute on this site? I couldn't figure it out.
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Post by Doo on Dec 21, 2018 16:25:53 GMT -5
BTW - Anyone know how to multiqoute on this site? I couldn't figure it out. What do you mean by multiquote? Like a quote within a quote or just quoting two posts separately? You just did the quote within a quote thing on your last post. There's not really an easy way, unfortunately, to quote two posts separate except to hit the "quote" button on the first one, and then copy and paste the text when you're quoting the second post.
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Post by futurerocker on Dec 21, 2018 18:15:05 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of all these crossovers and would much rather have an original story. I was never a huge fan of the gang crossing over with Batman, because the villain is usually always a villain from Batman. The movie to me was just alright. I did enjoy Scoobynatural for it darker tone which I think the scooby series need right now, though it still was a crossover which kinda ruined it for me. Daphne and Velma was really bad in my opinion. I think there was a lot more reason than it was just rushed. Premise was a rehash of the first live action movie and the set and design was terrible. Casting was meh and the actors felt a little weird. I will admit, whoever played Daphne did an alright job, but that it when it comes to positives. Scooby Doo and the Gourmet Ghost was actually my favorite film they released this year because it felt more like an original story than a crossover, though I still think its one of the weaker movies. If being a crossover is an automatic mark against it no matter what I guess they'll all seem bad, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have - Scoobynatural was only allowed to be as dark as it was because it was a crossover with a darker show. In all non-crossover events the darkest Scooby we will ever get is what we saw in Zombie Island (hopefully Return to Zombie Island will be as good), Witch's Ghost, and the Mystery Inc. series. I might be a little harsh when it comes to crossovers, and don't get me wrong their a few I think are pretty decent, but I will always prefer a story with just the gang than one with a celebrity guest star. Crossovers always seem to focus way too much on the celebrity and not enough on the actual characters of the show and most shows that do this are guilty of this.
When I think of darker tone, I mean a movie like the first four DTV or a series along the style of MI, though it doesn't need an overarching storyline. I don't mean a rated R scooby movie, just more of the serious one likes they have shown in the past.
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Post by vakanai on Dec 22, 2018 1:13:07 GMT -5
BTW - Anyone know how to multiqoute on this site? I couldn't figure it out. What do you mean by multiquote? Like a quote within a quote or just quoting two posts separately? You just did the quote within a quote thing on your last post. There's not really an easy way, unfortunately, to quote two posts separate except to hit the "quote" button on the first one, and then copy and paste the text when you're quoting the second post. Quoting two posts separately. Most sites have a way to do it, but I guess not here.
For some reason when I try copy paste what I'm copying just shows text, no avatar or quote stuff, and looks awful, so I don't post it.
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Post by vakanai on Dec 22, 2018 1:22:53 GMT -5
If being a crossover is an automatic mark against it no matter what I guess they'll all seem bad, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Do want to point out it's strange you think the Scooby series needs a darker tone when it doesn't seem like something the Scooby series will ever have - Scoobynatural was only allowed to be as dark as it was because it was a crossover with a darker show. In all non-crossover events the darkest Scooby we will ever get is what we saw in Zombie Island (hopefully Return to Zombie Island will be as good), Witch's Ghost, and the Mystery Inc. series. I might be a little harsh when it comes to crossovers, and don't get me wrong their a few I think are pretty decent, but I will always prefer a story with just the gang than one with a celebrity guest star. Crossovers always seem to focus way too much on the celebrity and not enough on the actual characters of the show and most shows that do this are guilty of this.
When I think of darker tone, I mean a movie like the first four DTV or a series along the style of MI, though it doesn't need an overarching storyline. I don't mean a rated R scooby movie, just more of the serious one likes they have shown in the past.
I can understand having a preference, but crossovers can still be fun and entertaining, and Scooby has a long history with them. I thought the Batman one was pretty good, as was Scoobynatural. Plus we're getting a couple just Scooby and the gang flicks next year. Actually even with all these dtv crossovers we still had plenty of normal Scooby formula with Be Cool and the LEGO stuff, so to me at least it felt like there was a balance (even if Be Cool has an art style I...dislike).
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Post by russm on Dec 22, 2018 5:32:46 GMT -5
Scooby Apocalypse. OK, it's a comic but, y'know the world has gone to hell in a handcart, Daphne's racked up a body-count that puts a Tarantino movie to shame, Velma's pregnant and partially responsible for the whole world in handcart business, Fred's dead - twice (which is rather clumsy of him), Scrappy's almost a good of a killing machine as Daphne... I don't count the comics. Comics are a very small and obscure part of the Scooby merchandising just a couple steps away from fan art. Personal opinion of course. It delivers new Scooby content to the market every month, something the shows cannot do. A good chunk of that is directed at children who you hope will go onto watch the movies when they are old enough. New fans keep the franchise alive so you may want to be less condescending towards the medium and those who work on it.
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Post by russm on Dec 22, 2018 5:38:50 GMT -5
I might be a little harsh when it comes to crossovers, and don't get me wrong their a few I think are pretty decent, but I will always prefer a story with just the gang than one with a celebrity guest star. Crossovers always seem to focus way too much on the celebrity and not enough on the actual characters of the show and most shows that do this are guilty of this. When I think of darker tone, I mean a movie like the first four DTV or a series along the style of MI, though it doesn't need an overarching storyline. I don't mean a rated R scooby movie, just more of the serious one likes they have shown in the past.
I can understand having a preference, but crossovers can still be fun and entertaining, and Scooby has a long history with them. I thought the Batman one was pretty good, as was Scoobynatural. Plus we're getting a couple just Scooby and the gang flicks next year. Actually even with all these dtv crossovers we still had plenty of normal Scooby formula with Be Cool and the LEGO stuff, so to me at least it felt like there was a balance (even if Be Cool has an art style I...dislike). Going to agree with futurerocker on this. Crossovers can be fun, they can also be very lazy with skewed stories that pander and justify the presence of the crossover character(s). It also dates the show as today's hot celeb is tomorrows nobody and people looking at the move will be going 'who the hell is that?'. They may also not cross borders, for me the Gourmet Ghost has two unknown people but apparently they are celebrities, honest. And then you have a dumpster fire like Speed Demon.
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Post by Doo on Dec 22, 2018 11:07:16 GMT -5
What do you mean by multiquote? Like a quote within a quote or just quoting two posts separately? You just did the quote within a quote thing on your last post. There's not really an easy way, unfortunately, to quote two posts separate except to hit the "quote" button on the first one, and then copy and paste the text when you're quoting the second post. Quoting two posts separately. Most sites have a way to do it, but I guess not here.
For some reason when I try copy paste what I'm copying just shows text, no avatar or quote stuff, and looks awful, so I don't post it.
Yeah, ProBoards (the site that hosts this forum) is a bit behind in that regard. The "awful text" that you're seeing is just the code that ProBoards has; once you post it, it will automatically show the avatar and quote stuff.
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Post by vakanai on Dec 22, 2018 13:39:17 GMT -5
I don't count the comics. Comics are a very small and obscure part of the Scooby merchandising just a couple steps away from fan art. Personal opinion of course. It delivers new Scooby content to the market every month, something the shows cannot do. A good chunk of that is directed at children who you hope will go onto watch the movies when they are old enough. New fans keep the franchise alive so you may want to be less condescending towards the medium and those who work on it. Wasn't being condescending, and apologies if it came off that way. But the comics audience is a small fraction of the television and DTV audience, old issues don't have much life years later while reruns and movies still show up on TV regularly, digital comics are an even smaller fraction of comics sales yet while Scooby can be seen on youtube handily, and as I understand it Scooby Apocalypse is aimed at older fans which is an even smaller fraction yet. Again, not condescending in the least (I'm a comic book fan myself actually, although I've never looked into the Scooby titles, mostly I'm into DC's big three of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman) but an issue as to scale - the comics are too small to really influence the bulk of the fandom or current pop culture. That doesn't mean they can't be fun, worthwhile, or entertaining ventures, but the reason they can get away with such a darker representation of Scooby in the first place is because WB regards them as too small and obscure to have an impact on the property.
Hope I made myself more clear and seem a little bit less elitist.
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