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Post by Doo on Sept 21, 2018 19:26:27 GMT -5
Glancing through this board, I see I've made a similar thread previously. I guess, even though it's a similar topic, I'll create a new thread for this as not to bump an old thread after so long. Just watched this film again last night and decided to write a blog post about it. Giving a detailed description of each scene, I give my theories for and against the existence of the supernatural in this film. I also went a bit further and decided to make arguments for each of the individual ghosts being real or fake, or in two cases, I argue that there are two different versions of the respective ghosts, one real and one that was a fake perpetrated by the sheriff's brother. scoobysnax1.weebly.com/blog/scooby-doo-meets-the-boo-brothers-real-vs-fake-spirits-part-2I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has additional theories to provide about if there truly are any real ghosts in this film!
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 21, 2018 23:08:42 GMT -5
So to star this off lets start with the Headless Horseman. In my opinion he is obviously the sheriff in disguised to scare off Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy. My biggest reason for this is when Scooby is on the mechanical horse and it chasing after the sheriff and he yells "Push the Button". To me this is a dead giveaway that it was him. He knew how to operate the horse and we already know that he is the villain in the movie, so ti me it not to far fetched that he wore multiple costumes to scare are favorite trio. Next up is the Ghost wolf. I think that this could be just your typical everyday wolf and to explain the glowing eyes it could be the moon light or headlights reflecting off the wolfs eyes, but like you said it could also be a ghost wolf. I guess that one is up to our imagination The Skull Ghost is one hundred percent the sheriff in disguise. Not only is he caught wherein the costume, but there are a couple instances in the movie that points to him being a fake. One example is when Scooby and Shaggy are trapped in a hole an the skull ghost is there, but is quickly scared off buy the Ape and the sheriff was shown to be afraid of the ape a few times in the movie.. (Apologized if I get anything wrong as I haven't seen the movie in awhile.) Now for the ghost in the Attic I'm pretty positive the ghost was Farquad in disguised as we see him with the same jewelry the ghost had earlier in the movie. For Beauregard's Ghost we see him at the end of the film after the sheriff brother was caught and sent to jail and there was no other suspects beside Farquad and he is a lot smaller compared to the ghost. From what I can remember at the beginning of the film we see the headless ghost warn Shaggy to leave this place right after they had ran into the headless horseman. This would be impossible for the sheriff brother to switch costume quick enough to be able to scare Shaggy the quickly. Now what makes this ghost confusing is that throughout the movie he frequently tries to scare our trio which is quite odd as the Colonel, in his will and from the clues, wanted Shaggy to find the treasure, so why he tries to scare them away is confusing. You could say that the Colonel knew how dangerous it was and wanted to try to scare Shaggy away, so he wouldn't get in any danger. Now for our final ghost, The Ape. I am pretty positive that the ape is definitely a real live ape. When the sheriff brother is in the police car the mayor frequently calls him asking if he has caught the ape yet. Why would the mayor send a police office to catch a ghost ape, he wouldn't.
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Post by Doo on Sept 22, 2018 9:15:40 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you said, though there are several pieces I disagree with.
The Headless Horseman and Ghost Wolf were probably fake.
Ah, but I would argue that the Skull Ghost was real in three of the appearances. In the first three appearances, he has glowing red eyes, it appears he is just comprised of real bones and his voice sounds very menacing. In all the remaining appearances, it is clearly just a man in a bone suit with a black background. He does not have red eyes at all, and his voice just sounds like a Southern dude in a costume. Comparing his voice in the first appearance to the final appearance, the voice difference is pretty jarring.
Agreed about Farquard, it's not like the ghost is going to say "here you go Farquard!" and give him the jewelry.
There was no headless ghost at the beginning of the film. Only the Headless Horseman, the wolf, and Uncle Beauregard. My theory is also that it would be far too quick for the sheriff to switch costumes, as the gang literally sees him seconds after the Headless Horseman begins chasing them. Yes, my theory on the colonel is that he was trying to scare Shaggy away, because he didn't realize the sheriff was going to try to kill Shaggy and the dogs when he initially willed him the mansion.
I don't really agree about the ape. Yes, there's an escape circus ape, but it seems very peculiar that the ape looks exactly like Beebo, the one the colonel shot and stuffed in the mansion. It's possible that there were two different apes, the escaped circus ape which was somewhere else and the ghost ape.
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 24, 2018 0:12:35 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you said, though there are several pieces I disagree with. The Headless Horseman and Ghost Wolf were probably fake. Ah, but I would argue that the Skull Ghost was real in three of the appearances. In the first three appearances, he has glowing red eyes, it appears he is just comprised of real bones and his voice sounds very menacing. In all the remaining appearances, it is clearly just a man in a bone suit with a black background. He does not have red eyes at all, and his voice just sounds like a Southern dude in a costume. Comparing his voice in the first appearance to the final appearance, the voice difference is pretty jarring. Agreed about Farquard, it's not like the ghost is going to say "here you go Farquard!" and give him the jewelry. There was no headless ghost at the beginning of the film. Only the Headless Horseman, the wolf, and Uncle Beauregard. My theory is also that it would be far too quick for the sheriff to switch costumes, as the gang literally sees him seconds after the Headless Horseman begins chasing them. Yes, my theory on the colonel is that he was trying to scare Shaggy away, because he didn't realize the sheriff was going to try to kill Shaggy and the dogs when he initially willed him the mansion. I don't really agree about the ape. Yes, there's an escape circus ape, but it seems very peculiar that the ape looks exactly like Beebo, the one the colonel shot and stuffed in the mansion. It's possible that there were two different apes, the escaped circus ape which was somewhere else and the ghost ape. Interesting theory. You could say for the Skull Ghost that if was possibly the Colonel scaring Shaggy. This could also explain the Ghost Wolf as being real as well. As a big believer in the supernatural there are theory about how ghost can manifest themselves as different people or even animals. The Colonel could have been the Skull ghost which would explain the menacing look and the Colonel had the same glowing eyes as the wolf if I remember correctly.
The ape i'm pretty sure is just a regular ape that happen to be in the area at the time. Nothing about him seems to make me think he is a ghost.
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Post by Doo on Sept 24, 2018 7:52:24 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you said, though there are several pieces I disagree with. The Headless Horseman and Ghost Wolf were probably fake. Ah, but I would argue that the Skull Ghost was real in three of the appearances. In the first three appearances, he has glowing red eyes, it appears he is just comprised of real bones and his voice sounds very menacing. In all the remaining appearances, it is clearly just a man in a bone suit with a black background. He does not have red eyes at all, and his voice just sounds like a Southern dude in a costume. Comparing his voice in the first appearance to the final appearance, the voice difference is pretty jarring. Agreed about Farquard, it's not like the ghost is going to say "here you go Farquard!" and give him the jewelry. There was no headless ghost at the beginning of the film. Only the Headless Horseman, the wolf, and Uncle Beauregard. My theory is also that it would be far too quick for the sheriff to switch costumes, as the gang literally sees him seconds after the Headless Horseman begins chasing them. Yes, my theory on the colonel is that he was trying to scare Shaggy away, because he didn't realize the sheriff was going to try to kill Shaggy and the dogs when he initially willed him the mansion. I don't really agree about the ape. Yes, there's an escape circus ape, but it seems very peculiar that the ape looks exactly like Beebo, the one the colonel shot and stuffed in the mansion. It's possible that there were two different apes, the escaped circus ape which was somewhere else and the ghost ape. Interesting theory. You could say for the Skull Ghost that if was possibly the Colonel scaring Shaggy. This could also explain the Ghost Wolf as being real as well. As a big believer in the supernatural there are theory about how ghost can manifest themselves as different people or even animals. The Colonel could have been the Skull ghost which would explain the menacing look and the Colonel had the same glowing eyes as the wolf if I remember correctly.
The ape i'm pretty sure is just a regular ape that happen to be in the area at the time. Nothing about him seems to make me think he is a ghost.
It's interesting, someone on the blog had that same theory about the colonel shapeshifting into the wolf. I suppose it's possible! Not sure I agree about the Skull Ghost being the same as the colonel, as he clearly didn't want them to find the treasure. He locked them in that secret passage room and tried to shove them off the roof, which I doubt the colonel would want to do.
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 24, 2018 21:18:20 GMT -5
Anyone notice that Shaggy and Scooby weren't all that afraid of the Boo Brothers? They seemed to find them more annoying than scary. Scooby even called them a bunch of ding-a-lings.
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Post by ShaphneLegacy27 on Sept 25, 2018 14:13:40 GMT -5
That shows Scooby and Shaggy don't need to be frightened all the time. I feel like Scooby and Shaggy being scared all the time takes away of what their character could be.
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 25, 2018 21:54:58 GMT -5
Interesting theory. You could say for the Skull Ghost that if was possibly the Colonel scaring Shaggy. This could also explain the Ghost Wolf as being real as well. As a big believer in the supernatural there are theory about how ghost can manifest themselves as different people or even animals. The Colonel could have been the Skull ghost which would explain the menacing look and the Colonel had the same glowing eyes as the wolf if I remember correctly.
The ape i'm pretty sure is just a regular ape that happen to be in the area at the time. Nothing about him seems to make me think he is a ghost.
It's interesting, someone on the blog had that same theory about the colonel shapeshifting into the wolf. I suppose it's possible! Not sure I agree about the Skull Ghost being the same as the colonel, as he clearly didn't want them to find the treasure. He locked them in that secret passage room and tried to shove them off the roof, which I doubt the colonel would want to do. I kinda just assumed that the skull ghost in those scenes was just the sheriff brother.
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 25, 2018 21:58:08 GMT -5
That shows Scooby and Shaggy don't need to be frightened all the time. I feel like Scooby and Shaggy being scared all the time takes away of what their character could be. A major part of there character is that they are afraid of almost everything. I feel that if they became more brave that they would lose a big aspect of there character. The only time I think they should be brave is if they don't solve a mystery they could lose something very dear to them. For example if Scooby was kidnapped I would like to see Shaggy become serious about solving the mystery and not being afraid of whatever the monster is in that mystery.
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Post by velmablake on Sept 26, 2018 16:46:28 GMT -5
That shows Scooby and Shaggy don't need to be frightened all the time. I feel like Scooby and Shaggy being scared all the time takes away of what their character could be. A major part of there character is that they are afraid of almost everything. I feel that if they became more brave that they would lose a big aspect of there character. The only time I think they should be brave is if they don't solve a mystery they could lose something very dear to them. For example if Scooby was kidnapped I would like to see Shaggy become serious about solving the mystery and not being afraid of whatever the monster is in that mystery. Interesting you both mention this - and sorry to stray off topic but it's strongly related - because I was just thinking this past weekend about how an entire series where Shaggy (& Scooby)'s cowardice is significantly reduced, while still being the food-loving comic relief, would play out. Tbh I feel like it could successfully work, provided that: 1. It takes place in the Zombie Island/Witch's Ghost era where the gang is older, and the series is aimed at the adult crowd. And when I say "adult crowd", I'm specifically including those who remember the original SDWAY where Shaggy was only slightly fearful. Not undermining kids' intelligence here, but I don't think the change would go over well with younger people who've only seen S&S as overscared and distracted for so long. 2. A backstory is provided that explains his/their newfound bravado. Even with the grown audience I mentioned in #1, there's no way such a major character change can happen without good reason. Plus, have we even seen Shaggy get a major development arc in the franchise history? Just compared to Fred and Daphne being made less bland overall, SDMI Velma, Scooby being a bad*** in SDMI, it feels like Shaggy's the only one who's been the same more or less. 3. The gang's dynamic shifts as a result. (I mean c'mon, who wouldn't want to see Fred get a little jealous of Shaggy for once? )
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Post by Doo on Sept 26, 2018 18:01:50 GMT -5
A major part of there character is that they are afraid of almost everything. I feel that if they became more brave that they would lose a big aspect of there character. The only time I think they should be brave is if they don't solve a mystery they could lose something very dear to them. For example if Scooby was kidnapped I would like to see Shaggy become serious about solving the mystery and not being afraid of whatever the monster is in that mystery. Interesting you both mention this - and sorry to stray off topic but it's strongly related - because I was just thinking this past weekend about how an entire series where Shaggy (& Scooby)'s cowardice is significantly reduced, while still being the food-loving comic relief, would play out. Tbh I feel like it could successfully work, provided that: 1. It takes place in the Zombie Island/Witch's Ghost era where the gang is older, and the series is aimed at the adult crowd. And when I say "adult crowd", I'm specifically including those who remember the original SDWAY where Shaggy was only slightly fearful. Not undermining kids' intelligence here, but I don't think the change would go over well with younger people who've only seen S&S as overscared and distracted for so long. 2. A backstory is provided that explains his/their newfound bravado. Even with the grown audience I mentioned in #1, there's no way such a major character change can happen without good reason. Plus, have we even seen Shaggy get a major development arc in the franchise history? Just compared to Fred and Daphne being made less bland overall, SDMI Velma, Scooby being a bad*** in SDMI, it feels like Shaggy's the only one who's been the same more or less. 3. The gang's dynamic shifts as a result. (I mean c'mon, who wouldn't want to see Fred get a little jealous of Shaggy for once? ) This would be awesome! I would love to see a mature, character-driven take on the series. And since you say it, it would actually be fun to have Fred jealous of Shaggy lol.
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 27, 2018 22:47:05 GMT -5
A major part of there character is that they are afraid of almost everything. I feel that if they became more brave that they would lose a big aspect of there character. The only time I think they should be brave is if they don't solve a mystery they could lose something very dear to them. For example if Scooby was kidnapped I would like to see Shaggy become serious about solving the mystery and not being afraid of whatever the monster is in that mystery. Interesting you both mention this - and sorry to stray off topic but it's strongly related - because I was just thinking this past weekend about how an entire series where Shaggy (& Scooby)'s cowardice is significantly reduced, while still being the food-loving comic relief, would play out. Tbh I feel like it could successfully work, provided that: 1. It takes place in the Zombie Island/Witch's Ghost era where the gang is older, and the series is aimed at the adult crowd. And when I say "adult crowd", I'm specifically including those who remember the original SDWAY where Shaggy was only slightly fearful. Not undermining kids' intelligence here, but I don't think the change would go over well with younger people who've only seen S&S as overscared and distracted for so long. 2. A backstory is provided that explains his/their newfound bravado. Even with the grown audience I mentioned in #1, there's no way such a major character change can happen without good reason. Plus, have we even seen Shaggy get a major development arc in the franchise history? Just compared to Fred and Daphne being made less bland overall, SDMI Velma, Scooby being a bad*** in SDMI, it feels like Shaggy's the only one who's been the same more or less. 3. The gang's dynamic shifts as a result. (I mean c'mon, who wouldn't want to see Fred get a little jealous of Shaggy for once? ) This sounds like it would be an amazing show. I wouldn't make Shaggy and Scooby super brave, but braver than they have been in recent series. Making Shaggy this super brave and serious character wouldn't go over so well with a lot of fans and it would be the Be Cool Daphne thing all over again. Though making him a bit more braver and less of a goofball would definitely be a nice change. Since it taking place in the Zombie Island era then our character are more mature and experience, so Shaggy and Scooby would probably be more serious than in recent shows.
I also think that Shaggy need some type of character development. I mean everyone has gotten development, even Scooby became Brave and had his heroic moment, but Shaggy has been the same since the beginning. I was kinda disappointed with MI season 2 as I felt that Shaggy kinda got forgotten when it came to character arc or plot. He just wanted to run away and pretend nothing was going on. Also I think Shaggy need to get some type of romance plot. It seems every DTV movie has Fred getting some girl even though the writer have Daphne and Fred together. Don't know why they don't do the same for Shaggy.
How would the dynamic shift exactly?
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 28, 2018 12:05:34 GMT -5
I'd be up for Shaggy having a romantic relationship with Velma. Especially if they portray them as being more comfortable and on the same page with their relationship than Fred and Daphne are. That would work well due to Shaggy's laid back personality. I really wish Shaggy had taken the time out of all the bad luck he had to get jealous of the attention Velma was giving Winsor in Legend of the Phantosaur.
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Post by barneynedward on Sept 28, 2018 12:09:16 GMT -5
I guess that maybe Shaggy and Velma while not exclusive with each other seem to both be content and aware that while they may see other people now and then, in the end they will end up together.
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Post by futurerocker on Sept 29, 2018 0:26:53 GMT -5
I guess that maybe Shaggy and Velma while not exclusive with each other seem to both be content and aware that while they may see other people now and then, in the end they will end up together. Personally, I can't see those two ever being together.
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