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Post by russm on Mar 31, 2018 18:13:19 GMT -5
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Post by mattpricetime on Mar 31, 2018 19:24:18 GMT -5
In my head I'm so wishing this might help make the CW consider rescuing at least the next Scooby series from CN/Boom.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 21:25:31 GMT -5
I feel like this is the lost episode of the pre-Scrappy years, and an interaction with the ghost-kid was what made Daphne start thinking that maybe Shaggy and Scooby did have a point after all but didn't get paranoid about it...as initially she was always an adult version of her pup self until Scrappy rolled around. Maybe she needed someone to help "wake her up". Velma and Fred being annoyed that Shaggy and Scooby actually are right sometimes was somewhat funny.
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Post by scoobnick on Mar 31, 2018 22:59:22 GMT -5
i agreee with matt. scooby needs to find a new network , imo.
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Post by russm on Apr 1, 2018 6:05:52 GMT -5
i agreee with matt. scooby needs to find a new network , imo. I'd be minded to say a new franchise owner. It seems that DC, Lego and the Scoobynatural writers can do Scooby Doo better than WB at times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 10:00:51 GMT -5
DC should be the new Franchise owner on Hanna-Barbera, all of it i tell you. It'd still be Warner technically, but at least with DC they could do proper respect.
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Post by Scooby-Dingus on Apr 2, 2018 11:59:54 GMT -5
All of the Scooby characters giving their catchphrases ("Jinkies!" "Zoinks!") then Dean giving his own R-rated one.
Oh, it wasn't that bad... There was a line later, however, in the big pep talk that needed bleeping and censor pixilating. Also, Daphne's breathless moment of existential panic was hilarious. Velma has a moment very similar to the one in Goblin King where logic fails and she starts to question everything she knows... I thought she was just going to shut down and pass out right there.
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Post by shaggyfan86 on Apr 2, 2018 13:02:40 GMT -5
Have Fred and the girls always been this annoyed over the idea of Shaggy and Scooby being right? XD
Did scooby fandom help Supernatural series with the ratings?
How well did pre Cartoon Network days treat Scooby series? I know Shaggy and Scooby get a clue was treated alright with Kids Wb.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 18:27:43 GMT -5
Daphne has always considered the scaredy cats being right, but not gotten paranoid about it. Fred also might have been open but wanted proof. Velma? She wants to take a nap during all this.
Pre-CN new series days? How about Scooby spamming until WNSD wrapped up. Kids WB did the same thing for WAY&SDS and airred WAY & SDS reruns alongside WNSD. WNSD was for Saturday, WAY & SDS for weekdays after school. Boomerang & CN did it counter WAY/SDS on Weekends, WNSD & Pup on weekdays (to avoid certain episodes colliding with each season), then other series got boomerang for "meddling kids" block.
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Post by scoobylover on Apr 2, 2018 18:57:56 GMT -5
Okay but, Scooby-Doo is a cartoon in Supernatural. As cartoons they are written to solve mysteries that involve guys in masks, not real ghosts. They are willingly 2-dimensional and that is why they are indifferent when they see the dead bodies, because they aren't scripted to see any in the whole series. That's also why they have a nervous breakdown in fact each one of them focuses on his own characteristics built around their scripted personas (Velma's logic is compromised; Fred's eagerness to solve mysteries escalates knowing he could have solved "better" ones; Shaggy and Scooby's pereniall unfounded fears of real ghosts become true and it should never happen in the original cartoon). I want you to remember that this episode is about a world entering a smaller 2-D world where everything is already scripted and done, so the gang does interact but when they are confronted with stuff they've never seen before they start glitching. That's the whole point of the episode and I think it was done brilliantly!!!
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 2, 2018 23:26:51 GMT -5
To be fair, I mostly see the Turner side as the problem to the tv treatments of Scooby and his fellow characters these days. While I'd like to assume just moving them to another Turner network would be enough there's the chance those same issues that plague them at CN/Boom would still be there if they moved to TBS or another. The CW being co-owned would be something that is possible and would give the WB side more freedom away from the Turner side like they do on all the direct-to-video projects. Thanks to some of the same legal red tape, DC is trying to get its own streaming service as a way around it, but for Scooby the Boomerang streaming app hasn't exactly been the savior we wanted.
I still see the main problem is that WB can't trust their series are going to get a far shake so they let them be experimental. If they got on a different network and had a regular timeslot with decent advertisement, I'd bet anything the tv series would look rather different.
I will debate one idea here though as according to the credits Scoobynatural wasn't even written by regular Supernatural writers. It was written by Jim Krieg (a veteran with plenty of credits on What's New, some writing work on the later series, and various DTV and Lego Scooby works) and Jeremy Adams (who mostly seems to do the DC stuff but did work on Lego Scooby) So I don't we can say they were showing up regular Scooby WB writers when that description fits one of them and a little the other.
As far as the audience goes, I think Supernatural itself has a pretty decent audience but I did see several tweets from accounts who are dedicated to Supernatural saying their trend being that high for that long wasn't in the usual. So yes Scooby's audience probably helped quite a lot. Which is exactly the kind of reaction we should want right now. We want to show Scooby can bring in an audience if you market it right they wouldn't have before. He's as strong as ever in dtv market, we need him to look as strong in the tv and then the theatrical market.
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Post by Scooby-Dingus on Apr 3, 2018 3:32:21 GMT -5
If they ever did a new Scooby-Doo series, perhaps this is the angle to take with it? Sort of an updated version of the Scooby-Doo movies, with the gang crossing over with other shows on the parent network--for example, Arrow, The Flash, and Riverdale on the CW, or, if ABC lands the rights, maybe the gang meets the cast of shows both current and past, like Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, and just for a laugh, that piece of crap they made with the Geico cavemen. Of course we'd see Mystery Incorporated-level writing, season-long arcs, and somewhat more cerebral plots that older audiences could appreciate as much as kids. Maybe even a murder mystery (though definitely with less blood; perhaps the victim is fatally poisoned, or revealed to have a congenital defect that killed them).
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Post by scoobylover on Apr 3, 2018 10:50:02 GMT -5
If they ever did a new Scooby-Doo series, perhaps this is the angle to take with it? Sort of an updated version of the Scooby-Doo movies, with the gang crossing over with other shows on the parent network--for example, Arrow, The Flash, and Riverdale on the CW, or, if ABC lands the rights, maybe the gang meets the cast of shows both current and past, like Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, and just for a laugh, that piece of crap they made with the Geico cavemen. Of course we'd see Mystery Incorporated-level writing, season-long arcs, and somewhat more cerebral plots that older audiences could appreciate as much as kids. Maybe even a murder mystery (though definitely with less blood; perhaps the victim is fatally poisoned, or revealed to have a congenital defect that killed them).I'm here for Gabrielle Solis meeting tge Scooby gang, oh my
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Post by russm on Apr 3, 2018 15:35:54 GMT -5
If they ever did a new Scooby-Doo series, perhaps this is the angle to take with it? Sort of an updated version of the Scooby-Doo movies, with the gang crossing over with other shows on the parent network--for example, Arrow, The Flash, and Riverdale on the CW, or, if ABC lands the rights, maybe the gang meets the cast of shows both current and past, like Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, and just for a laugh, that piece of crap they made with the Geico cavemen. Of course we'd see Mystery Incorporated-level writing, season-long arcs, and somewhat more cerebral plots that older audiences could appreciate as much as kids. Maybe even a murder mystery (though definitely with less blood; perhaps the victim is fatally poisoned, or revealed to have a congenital defect that killed them).Yes and no, the no being on the crossovers unless you want to go balls to the wall and set them firmly in the DC universe and have them become the occult version of the JLA. That way you can have various members of the DC Universe popping in for the odd episode to either lend a hand or request assistance as the story dictated. Alternatively give them to Zenoscope, them of the Grimm Fairy Tales/Robyn Hood/Belle Beast Hunter/etc crowd, though that would required a reduction change in Daphne and Velma's wardrobe.
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 3, 2018 21:03:12 GMT -5
Realistically I'd say the idea of moving them to another Turner based network (TBS, TNT, TCM, etc) or the CW are at least possible. I don't think they'd end up on ABC or any other Network. Unless there's a major divorce inside of Time Warner from the fallout of that potential AT&T merger. Although in that situation other things would need to be brought up as there's no way Boomerang would survive that divorce.
On what or how far a new a series would be and how far it should go, we're kind of at a stand still. The nicest way to say it is that some of us probably would never want to watch some of the way our fellow posters would want it done. But regardless whether i'd love or hate it, i'm sure the current regime at WBA have a plan they'd like to put into place longterm. Question is what would we need to get to see them do it?
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