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Post by scoobypediapossible on Feb 5, 2016 22:12:10 GMT -5
I think it's also how you combine the comedy with the mystery. Like in "Be Quiet, Scooby-Doo!" where they all have to stay quiet (obviously), and Fred's still trying to keep them on track, which is nearly impossible. All the while they're quiet, there's still a mystery going on. I think that may be the subtle. I can't think of any slapstick right now.
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Post by jcb on Feb 6, 2016 1:22:53 GMT -5
I think it's also how you combine the comedy with the mystery. Like in "Be Quiet, Scooby-Doo!" where they all have to stay quiet (obviously), and Fred's still trying to keep them on track, which is nearly impossible. All the while they're quiet, there's still a mystery going on. I think that may be the subtle. I can't think of any slapstick right now. Well, Velma pretending to be the monster and leaping around and falling is slapstick in "Be Quiet." Virtually all the episodes have some slapstick. I, personally, think "slapstick" simply describes a physically broad kind of comedy and has nothing to do with highbrow/smart comedy or lowbrow/dumb comedy. Some of my favorites comedians and comedy films like early Woody Allen, Monty Python, the first 5 or 6 Marx Brothers movies or the first 2 or 3 Mel Brooks films have a similar mixture of slapstick, silly and more intellectual, sophisticated humor all mixed together. That wide range of comedic tones guided by a individualistic voice or sensibility had a huge influence on me.
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Post by scooby1 on Feb 6, 2016 10:09:37 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from but I don't see how you could think SDMI wasn't very scooby when at least it had near original designs of the gang and it focused a little on romance but mostly on mystery. BCSD not only revolutionized the design, unfortunately for me, I think the design is worse, sorry JCB, but BCSD is more focused on comedy than on solving the mystery. No need to apologize, scooby1. BCSD is TOTALLY more focused on character driven comedy than other Scoobys. The truth is every Scooby series has been different from one another, some in small ways, some in large ways - but they're ALL "Scooby Doo" and that's what's so great about it. You can approach the idea from many different angles. Right now, we're exploring the characters using a wide palette of comedy, from very broad and slapstick to sophisticated and subtle satire. The art style suits our purposes. Imagine the vending machine scene from "Mystery 101" with very realistic looking art. It would be strange and wouldn't work because it's very cartoony and slapstick - we couldn't do a bunch of our comedy if the characters were realistic looking. Either way, I understand that some people just don't like the way it looks. Hopefully, as everyone gives it a chance and watched more, as the season progresses (and gets better and better), everyone will be used to the look and can just enjoy the show. I do still watch BCSD and I don't think it is a bad show, as I have said before, I think it's actually pretty good. I'm just hoping that in the future it focuses a bit more on the mystery and I say that because there are normally very few character that could be the villain and I think if you took a couple more minutes in the show to develop more potential villains or other characters that would make the show more interesting. Right now there isn't much mystery because anyone can figure out who the villain is right away because there are only about 3 characters besides the gang in the entire show, and I think that's the drawback of having the show be about comedy because you are having to focus more on comedy than on developing characters or the mystery.
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Post by scooby1 on Feb 6, 2016 10:14:15 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from but I don't see how you could think SDMI wasn't very scooby when at least it had near original designs of the gang and it focused a little on romance but mostly on mystery. BCSD not only revolutionized the design, unfortunately for me, I think the design is worse, sorry JCB, but BCSD is more focused on comedy than on solving the mystery. I liked SDMI when it was doing the standard "Unmask the fake monster mystery", not the "There's a dark evil underneath our town mystery that we have to destroy." It had very much a horror theme going for it, which I wasn't really into (along with the Twin Peaks stuff which I mentioned above). And you've probably heard it all before about how Velma was in the beginning, and the way Fred acted. In some ways I like, and in other ways I don't. I've seen other people say that it had nothing to do with Scooby-Doo, it just used the characters, but resembled very little about it, and I think they were referring to the aformentioned reasons I gave. What I do like is how it put an emphasis on how they were actually teenagers. Although, they were never really clear just how old they were until the end. I also don't get this whole "It has no mystery, just comedy," which I don't think is true in the slightest. How much mystery do you need? It has the standard mystery story, except, yes, with comedy involved, but the franchise has always been comedic, so I don't find it that much of a stretch. It's true the franchise has had some comedy in it but never to this extent. BCSD as JCB said is mainly a comedy (or more comedic than any other scooby doo) and I just don't think thats the direction scooby doo should be going in, because there are already plenty of other shows on tv that are comedies, there are not many cartoon mystery shows, scooby is the only one that I know of. But I have to admit if BCSD is being moved to Saturday mornings so it must be doing great in the rating, so congratulations to JCB for making a popular show, I just don't always like all of the comedy but as a whole the show is not bad.
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Post by Soupperson on Feb 6, 2016 16:57:58 GMT -5
The artwork just made it seem like it was trying to copy Family Guy. I was expecting the show to be awful, Scooby's face in the first reveal was especially strange looking. The show itself is really entertaining and better yet it's hilarious. The characters are very similar to their 60's versions, except for Daphne but in some episodes she's kind of close. It's possibly my favourite series since 13 ghosts, though the only competition is What's New for me. The animation doesn't look to bad in motion, it's just not my cup of tea. I will give props to them for trying something new, Mystery Incorporated was to by the book similar animation style and not updating the characters outfits. I'm just thrilled they didn't make it CGI
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Post by scoobypediapossible on Feb 8, 2016 14:40:59 GMT -5
I liked SDMI when it was doing the standard "Unmask the fake monster mystery", not the "There's a dark evil underneath our town mystery that we have to destroy." It had very much a horror theme going for it, which I wasn't really into (along with the Twin Peaks stuff which I mentioned above). And you've probably heard it all before about how Velma was in the beginning, and the way Fred acted. In some ways I like, and in other ways I don't. I've seen other people say that it had nothing to do with Scooby-Doo, it just used the characters, but resembled very little about it, and I think they were referring to the aformentioned reasons I gave. What I do like is how it put an emphasis on how they were actually teenagers. Although, they were never really clear just how old they were until the end. I also don't get this whole "It has no mystery, just comedy," which I don't think is true in the slightest. How much mystery do you need? It has the standard mystery story, except, yes, with comedy involved, but the franchise has always been comedic, so I don't find it that much of a stretch. It's true the franchise has had some comedy in it but never to this extent. BCSD as JCB said is mainly a comedy (or more comedic than any other scooby doo) and I just don't think thats the direction scooby doo should be going in, because there are already plenty of other shows on tv that are comedies, there are not many cartoon mystery shows, scooby is the only one that I know of. But I have to admit if BCSD is being moved to Saturday mornings so it must be doing great in the rating, so congratulations to JCB for making a popular show, I just don't always like all of the comedy but as a whole the show is not bad. I agree that there's too many comedies at the moment. And they're all too samey. Like in the 90s when almost all the cartoons either looked like Batman: TAS or Ren and Stimpy. Cartoon Network had The Looney Tunes Show, which was not only already funny, but smart funny. But they had to end that to make way for Wabbit, which is passable, but nowhere near as funny as The Looney Tunes Show. One comedy that I'm liking is Sonic Boom. That has a mix of smartly-timed humour and action. The current Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles balances the drama, action, and comedy very well. And most important Ciro Nieli, pays respect to the show because he's a fan. I don't know if the same could be said about JCB before writing BCSD (I don't remember reading that in any interview), but he did his research and is working from how they were back in the original series (as he's said before). And I think this shows pretty well.
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Post by scoobypediapossible on Feb 8, 2016 14:46:24 GMT -5
I think it's also how you combine the comedy with the mystery. Like in "Be Quiet, Scooby-Doo!" where they all have to stay quiet (obviously), and Fred's still trying to keep them on track, which is nearly impossible. All the while they're quiet, there's still a mystery going on. I think that may be the subtle. I can't think of any slapstick right now. Well, Velma pretending to be the monster and leaping around and falling is slapstick in "Be Quiet." Virtually all the episodes have some slapstick. I, personally, think "slapstick" simply describes a physically broad kind of comedy and has nothing to do with highbrow/smart comedy or lowbrow/dumb comedy. Some of my favorites comedians and comedy films like early Woody Allen, Monty Python, the first 5 or 6 Marx Brothers movies or the first 2 or 3 Mel Brooks films have a similar mixture of slapstick, silly and more intellectual, sophisticated humor all mixed together. That wide range of comedic tones guided by a individualistic voice or sensibility had a huge influence on me. I remember a few now, such as Shaggy and Scooby breaking the portrait in "Mystery 101" (seems to be one of the standards of slapstick), and Shaggy breaking a crystal while McCreaty is talking in "Quiet", Fred with the bumbling gloves in "1899", and when he was trying to sit on the bean bag in "Screama Donna".
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Post by somebody-doo on Feb 9, 2016 15:46:48 GMT -5
When I first found out Elias Kingston was a monster, I worried it was a remake.
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Post by ShaphneFan on Feb 22, 2016 19:14:30 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from but I don't see how you could think SDMI wasn't very scooby when at least it had near original designs of the gang and it focused a little on romance but mostly on mystery. BCSD not only revolutionized the design, unfortunately for me, I think the design is worse, sorry JCB, but BCSD is more focused on comedy than on solving the mystery. No need to apologize, scooby1. BCSD is TOTALLY more focused on character driven comedy than other Scoobys. The truth is every Scooby series has been different from one another, some in small ways, some in large ways - but they're ALL "Scooby Doo" and that's what's so great about it. You can approach the idea from many different angles. Right now, we're exploring the characters using a wide palette of comedy, from very broad and slapstick to sophisticated and subtle satire. The art style suits our purposes. Imagine the vending machine scene from "Mystery 101" with very realistic looking art. It would be strange and wouldn't work because it's very cartoony and slapstick - we couldn't do a bunch of our comedy if the characters were realistic looking. Either way, I understand that some people just don't like the way it looks. Hopefully, as everyone gives it a chance and watched more, as the season progresses (and gets better and better), everyone will be used to the look and can just enjoy the show. I'm happy to see that it's more focused on character comedy. A show can't stand on its own by a mystery especially a show like scooby because the mystery changes so often. We watch the shows for the characters and how they interact not just a mystery. The art isn't my favorite but it does go with the comedy. It would be cool to see the art style from pup come back though.
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Post by doobert on Apr 28, 2016 2:34:35 GMT -5
The Family Guy style designs kinda threw me off the show, but after watching several episodes of Be Cool Scooby Doo, I've actually grown to appreciate the show, a bit more.
It's actually pretty enjoyable, and doesn't insult me on say, the level of TTG, or that recent Powerpuff Girls reboot did. It's amusing, and pretty entertaining. I also enjoy the callbacks to the previous episodes.
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