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Post by snesgamer on Oct 16, 2014 15:58:09 GMT -5
Even though he's supposed to be the "jock", he does have that autistic savant-level genius (not sure if that's the best way to put it but I hope it's understandable) when it comes to topics he's truly interested in like traps or mechanics. He is also almost always the quickest one to put together clues and wrap up the mystery (besides Velma of course).
Don't really understand where the idea he is dumb that some people seem to have comes from.
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Post by Doo on Oct 17, 2014 10:07:31 GMT -5
I don't really think of him as "dumb" but more of someone who "doesn't quite have it altogether," mainly because of his odd mannerisms and obsession with traps. I'm not saying he's not smart, just somewhat "odd." But I don't really think of Fred as a nerd.
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Post by russm on Oct 17, 2014 16:41:14 GMT -5
In the early incarnations he was the Eagle Scout, the blond haired, blue eyed leader, wise, noble blah, blah, blah. This was all a bit too perfect so by the time we got to WNSD he was more human, a bit more of a goo-ball but knew what needed to be done and got on and did it. In SDMI Fred had 'issues' but went on to show feats of physical courage and skill (the second Cry Baby Clown episode) and skill.
He's not a nerd, he's not a jock, he's... Fred.
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Nov 8, 2014 19:25:51 GMT -5
In the early incarnations he was the Eagle Scout, the blond haired, blue eyed leader, wise, noble blah, blah, blah. This was all a bit too perfect so by the time we got to WNSD he was more human, a bit more of a goo-ball but knew what needed to be done and got on and did it. In SDMI Fred had 'issues' but went on to show feats of physical courage and skill (the second Cry Baby Clown episode) and skill. He's not a nerd, he's not a jock, he's... Fred. I think you described it well.  I wouldn't consider Fred a "nerd", but he seemed to be almost as smart as Velma in the original series run. His new personality has been hit or miss for me really. It can be a bit annoying at times. |
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Post by CaptainBuck on Nov 9, 2014 1:25:37 GMT -5
Fred was meant to be more of the Handyman/Jock character with a penchant FOR making Traps, probably an Engineer in college later, you can almost see him as a Contractor, he doesn't look 'smart' but he can build a house, and you can't; the quiet smart Jock who doesn't want to emphasize his actual hands on skills.
Velma's intellectual and Fred's Hand's On skills.
I hate the total Dumbing down of Fred sometimes, it started in A Pup Named Scooby Doo, a show I do really enjoy, but it got out of control with Fred being lucky that his traps that failed worked because Scooby/Shaggy botched them into working.
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Post by CaptainBuck on Nov 9, 2014 1:31:40 GMT -5
BTW< i hadn't read any other answers before replying, I figure it's a more genuine personal response that way.
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Post by Jinkies on Dec 1, 2014 0:58:58 GMT -5
Early Fred was quite as smart as Velma in like SDWAY, but as Fred progressed he kind of became this jock that is obsessed with Daphne and Traps which I really dislike.
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Post by ShaphneFan on Jan 15, 2016 1:52:43 GMT -5
I hate him in MI, I'll admit that. His personality is more of a geek in that series rather then a nerd though. The original Fred didn't have enough traits to really define him as a nerd.
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Post by scoobypediapossible on Jan 20, 2016 5:19:52 GMT -5
I think he's been given more personality (or whatever you define "more personality" as), so he doesn't come off as a Shatner/Kirk-type. Unfortunately, that comes to mixed results. In SDMI there seemed to be a growth, he kind of seems full circle. If season 3 happened, he may have even come off a little bit smarter.
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Post by scoobypediapossible on Jan 20, 2016 5:23:21 GMT -5
As bizarre as this sounds, Frank Welker actually shipped them once in an interview (which I can't find at all). I thought he must've been confused or something, but if you look at the first four DTVs, there is an ever so subtle hint that they could actually work as a couple.
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Post by ShaphneFan on Jan 20, 2016 23:27:56 GMT -5
Fred was meant to be more of the Handyman/Jock character with a penchant FOR making Traps, probably an Engineer in college later, you can almost see him as a Contractor, he doesn't look 'smart' but he can build a house, and you can't; the quiet smart Jock who doesn't want to emphasize his actual hands on skills. Velma's intellectual and Fred's Hand's On skills. I hate the total Dumbing down of Fred sometimes, it started in A Pup Named Scooby Doo, a show I do really enjoy, but it got out of control with Fred being lucky that his traps that failed worked because Scooby/Shaggy botched them into working. That actually makes more sense then making him the jock character that they tried to make him in the other incarnations. Shaggy was one that was more of a jock then Fred was (gymnast, track, racing, baseball). So that would fit Velma with Fred more with the hands on smart and book smarts together. The dumbing down was funny in that series. MI was horrible for him though. scoobypediapossible that's really cool actually, I've never noticed it. Now I need to do a rewatch. |
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Post by Matt_the_miner_49er on Jan 21, 2016 13:01:36 GMT -5
It's all because of media stereotyping. Movies makes jocks look dumb but in reality most of the people who are being recognized for their athletic achievements are there because of academic achievement. In many cases being involved in activities like sports helps boost grades. I like the portrayal of fred as someone who is dominant both physically and mentally. He's a well rounded individual (in most cases).
And the only reason you don't see him and velma paired up more is once again stereotypes. It just wouldn't appeal to the larger crowd. In the real world it could definitely happen. One of the most sought after girls when I was in high school was brilliant and she was quite a homely looking gal. No looks, no party type attitude, nothing but brains and personality going for her and she was well loved. It's just easy for shows to pair "beautiful people" because it's a quality that is readily recognized and requires little effort on the audience's part to try and dig into their personalities to establish any relationship.
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Post by doobert on Apr 18, 2016 4:13:35 GMT -5
Nah! Fred's too much of a leader type character to really be considered a nerd.
I seriously doubt he was the kind of teen who was passing classes in High School, like psychics with straight A's. He's not dumb (at least not when the writers try to not make him dumb), but I certainly wouldn't call him a nerd either, which is (pardon my cheese), what makes him a bit of an enduring character.
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Post by ShaphneFan on Apr 18, 2016 10:16:09 GMT -5
Nah! Fred's too much of a leader type character to really be considered a nerd. I seriously doubt he was the kind of teen who was passing classes in High School, like psychics with straight A's. He's not dumb (at least not when the writers try to not make him dumb), but I certainly wouldn't call him a nerd either, which is (pardon my cheese), what makes him a bit of an enduring character. I would imagine him to be smart though, possibly a straight B average with a couple of As. The leader type would have to be smart enough to actually lead. |
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Post by doobert on Apr 18, 2016 20:53:49 GMT -5
Nah! Fred's too much of a leader type character to really be considered a nerd. I seriously doubt he was the kind of teen who was passing classes in High School, like psychics with straight A's. He's not dumb (at least not when the writers try to not make him dumb), but I certainly wouldn't call him a nerd either, which is (pardon my cheese), what makes him a bit of an enduring character. I would imagine him to be smart though, possibly a straight B average with a couple of As. The leader type would have to be smart enough to actually lead. Absolutely true. I just don't think his interests would lie in something like science. |
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